I'll mail you my custom blend of coffe', I'll all so sent some industrial strength lye (after the coffe' the lye will have a great soothing effect on the soon to follow heart burn)
Lol
My coffe' can be used as either a necromaging substance or rocket fuel, or industrial solvent, very versital!
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3 seperators would be a 4 stager would it not be?Argon works best in the three stage units. (3 seps, 3 CCs)
If you have a cooling question or concern feel free to contact me.
Originally Posted by cryo-tek
I need to get some work done but here is a quick bit. These are ROUGH ROUND NUMBERS !! Please don’t beat me up over a small % of error.
Argon works best in the three stage units. (3 seps, 3 CCs)
Two or is this three theories on the argon:
1) Argon lowers the partial pressure of the R-14 in the evaporator allowing it to evaporate at lower temp.
Evap pressure: 25psia (10.3 psig) R-14 Evap temp = -120c.
Add the argon: 50% by pressure.
Evap pressure: 25psia = 12.5 psia R-14 and 12.5 psia argon. Evap temp = -130c. (see your PT chart) More argon = lower temps.
2) Argon dissolves into the liquid R-14 and lowers its evaporating temperature. (i.e. Glycol and water).
3) All of the above.
You guys are keeping me awake at night. CAFFINE !! I need a another Dew
1) it doesn't work that way, pressure is pressure, it doesn't matter what gas is the reason for the pressure.
2) maybe, but if this is the case you'll never be able to hold a load temp lower as with only r14.
I thought so too! ^^
You see, than here comes the quesiton about...
R508... R23+R116. Individually they are higher boiling temp than R508a/b. But the fact is they work together achieving lower temp. Major difference I saw on these two gases are mass and very high differentail on critical pressure. I am wondering such behaviour as described above happens partially in this mix where R116's low critical pressure and maybe heavier mass aids hugely in getting pressure down of R23 enough to point where under same pressure the part of gas is in lower pressure for mix and brings boiling temp down. Just something for thought.
PS) most of my questions and ideas are basically my mind spinning off while learning this new things... has happened when I started playing with single stage is happening now again I guess
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Guess ill be looking for r123,r23 and r14 on the next weeks lol
R23 and r14 are easy to get but expensive
R123 never looked for it :p
jinu: that's because these gasses form an azeotrophic mixture. that's something totally different.
someone should trow in some argon+r14 in the 3th stage of a normal cascasde.
www.r22.org has r123, only problem is that they sell it in 100lb drums and costs 420 dollar
Last edited by Unknown_road; 04-25-2006 at 09:41 AM.
Each stage would have a separator and a cascade condenser to it. The cascade condenser is feed by a captube with liquid collected from the discharge line prier to its entry into the cascade condenser. The separator is used to separate the gas from the liquid.
Note of interest: A separator can be as simple as a tee in the discharge line with the branch pointing up (leg 3)
Yup... but what is azeotrophic mixture really? :P Why is it called that (not based on symptons but how it works).
Anyways, as I said R123 only sells in 100lbs and 200lbs drums. price is dirt cheap compared to most refrigerant considering 100lbs!!! that,s $4 a pound! I've got few quotes of different gas going up to $180 a pound (i think this is where it stops as some company's flat rate for mixing unusual gas is about $180 a pound).
THough there are few other non HCFC gases based on reading i was doing that can do the job... R2xx designations (not propane... low boiling for that one lol), care gas...
One thing we could use also cheaply for interstage is R134a obviously... (don't think R22 plays with it well though so you will have to use either...).
Got some mixture ideas rolling... this is going to be expensive... I think I am out of game on going down to R14 game for time being as I've already spent too much on refrigerant alone.
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Do you have R-11, R-113 or R-114?
I changed the drawing to show tees inplace of the separators.
This works.
azeotropic mixtures form a gas with new properties often because of dipoles or other molecular structures. the properties can be different from the basis gasses.
Why quit while you can build an autocascade cascade ??You guys are crazy........
I think it's time for me to quit playing around with cascades........I quit.......
Maybe this will help you understand things a bit better
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...5&RS=6,631,625
Thanks W
PLEASE PEOPLE, GIVE THE GUY A BIT OF BREATHING ROOM! HE'S WILLING TO HELP, BUT IF YOU GUYS KEEP PUSHING, HE'LL BE DRIVEN AWAY
Oh please do my unit next...Please Please... How much are you charging how long will it take... J/K
Yes I agree with Stephen please give him a break he is working his but off here and he is just getting started in the oc community. We dont want to push him over the edge and hit him with 1000 questions and then second quess them.. Dont knock it until you tried it!
Good luck cryo and please take your time and dont feel pressured in any way. You have just given alot of our members new hope for phase change (well at least for auto-cascades) and they are really excited
Exactly my initial reaction...I'm sure everyone was thinking that. That's how good this autocascade is....cryo-tek, you're awesome!
What he's brought to the table is a wealth of knowledge that is really gonna bring autocascades to the next level for everyone if we sit back and listen to what he has to say.
not if everyone keeps badgering him. hopefully people will lay off on the questions.
What he's brought to the table is a wealth of knowledge that is really gonna bring autocascades to the next level for everyone if we sit back and listen to what he has to say.
Really impressive stuff going on here, incredible work guys! As Fugger said; wanna see it in action
Seems to me he knows what he's doing and has the knowledge to go along with it. Do you have a -150° unit?
Really amazing stuff cryo
It's too cold for most CPU's but it's very interesting to see regardless.
I'm not trying to step on toes; little systems are not in the business plan.
Mr. Missimer taught me the Autocascade and I want to pass on his legacy
The systems that I propose you build are based on patent 3,768,273 held by Missimer. This patent has expired so we won’t be meeting in jail. Did I drop the soap?
For me this is just fun stuff. Baby cascades.
Are we still going to have fun?
i think most of us are already just reading thisAre we still going to have fun?
Got a fan over those memory sticks? No? Well get to it before you kill them
oh yes this is fun, problem is i have a boring jobRight now at work I have a system that was built wrong but works better than the rest. I can't find what's deferent and I’m going crazy looking.
Are we still going to have fun?
ill have more fun when i can find r14 at decent prices
Wow, I would love to see an autocascade that you built yourself cryo-tek.
Ummm ummm ummm WOWOWOWOW!
Dude wow... I want a setup like this holy cow... That is so insane on a single 1hp compressor.
Cryo-Tek, you are GOD!
Sorry, if I show you my cascade I’d have to freeze you.
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