Case Design for Liquid Cooling

[moiraesfate]

Beautiful case. I'd buy it. Depending on cost, of course. I'd want a black one.

[maddoggy]

Not sure what you're talking about with the fan situation. The fans are 120mm diameter and 38mm thick, with 38mm thick shrouds. Most, if not all, of the other items you have mentioned have been rectified or have been discussed and reasoned before including an eighth PCI slot to accommodate the eVGA classified motherboard.

Late to the party, sry, missed a few pages! carry on!

As to the expected cost, this thing looks like it could land at or near Murderbox costs... which I think are in the $1000 range?

Regardless, I'd absolutely pounce on this case if I could afford it. Make that orange one with official Dodge Hemi Orange automotive paint [Scratch that! just watched a new Mitsubishi Eclipse roll by in an amazing orange coat!], and a matte interior & grills, and I'd probably buy it even if I *cant* afford it! lol


One thing I didn't see in the thread (and thread search came up empty) is if TFC Monsta Rads would fit? I'm guessing not, as you've already pointed out you aren't intending to make this a "double PSU" capable design in a single chamber, and I imagine to fit the 148mm+ Monsta's width you'd be close to that)


Nit picking details now- 2 things I like in my current case are toolless drive bays (both HDD and 5.25"), and the fact the side panels drop in from the top, then tilt closed (with a latching mechanism operated by pulling one of the thumb screws out in the back). Even if you don't get that fancy, I rather enjoy the fact it takes minimal space to pop the latch, tilt the panels, and lift them an inch or so to get them out of the way.

[SkewdLogix]

Had another go at rendering with some components installed. Not entirely happy with the result, but there isn't a vast number of SketchUp components available. Might have to create some more of my own.

Parts:-
Thermochill 120.4 rad with 8x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Thermochill 120.3 rad with 6x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Long PSU (200x160x86).
4x Raptor HDD's.
2x Optical Drives.
Akasa Fan Control Pro.
Alphacool LCD Display.
2x EK reservoirs.
2x Lang D5 Pumps.
Asus Rampage Extreme.
2x Graphics Cards (want to replace these).
Apogee GTX.

I'm really liking this case since I'm planning on using two loops with a 120.4 and a 120.3. What's the chances of this case being available any time soon?

[SpuTnicK]

Nice CAD work. The design is very similar to mine, except the compartments have been rearranged. Although this case is for water cooling, It looks like there is very little ventilation for the mobo compartment. I would be concerned that heat build up may be a problem, unless you intend to have fans on the side panels.....

About ventilation: the mobo (nb, sb and probably mosfets) will be water cooled. NO fans on side panel. But there will be one exaust fan on the back and 1 or 2 on the top panel.
The pic bellow shows planned air movement:

Check out more pics in my thread

[Mick64]

About ventilation: the mobo (nb, sb and probably mosfets) will be water cooled. NO fans on side panel. But there will be one exaust fan on the back and 1 or 2 on the top panel.

You are saying that you are going to have up to 3 exhaust fans, plus the PSU will also be extracting air. How is the air getting into the mobo compartment? Without an input fan, or at least an input vent, there will be no air flow.....

[BringerOdeath]

I think you want the to 2 fans pulling air in, maybe making the exhaust fan a 140mm on the back....

[SpuTnicK]

Why there should be an intake air vent or fan?
One or more intake vent or fan equals plenty of dust, no filter can save you from that.
Lets make it clear
There are several major heat sources in the case:
CPU - watercooled
GPU - watercooled
NorthBridge - watercooled
SouthBridge - watercooled
Mosfets - watercooled (if nessassary)
RAM - aircooled or watercooled (if nessassary)
HDDs - aircooled
DVDs - ----------
PSU - aircooled
And that is it.
As for the rest heat amount - there are 3 ways of heat transmission:
1) convection
2) thermal conduction
3) radiative heat exchange.
So I think that using convection with the help of 2 or 3 exaust fans will be enough to cool everything else.
And the psu will be extracting air from bottom rad comartment. Cause its fan will be facing bottom rad, not the mobo

[Mick64]

Why there should be an intake air vent or fan? And the psu will be extracting air from bottom rad comartment. Cause its fan will be facing bottom rad, not the mobo

I'm sorry, but it is the law of physics. For air (and heat) to get out of your machine, fresh, cool air must be able to get in from somewhere, otherwise your fans will just be rotating in dead air. Also, with your PSU fan facing downward, won't the air flow through that be restricted by the rads and fans in the bottom compartment?

[Ruroni]

I'd throw down $400-500 for this one. The animated renders, plus the renders with the system components installed sold me for sure.

[SpuTnicK]

@Mick64
Do you know how convection works?
Its base on the density difference of hot and cold air. Hot air is created only near the heat source not every where in the case. Hot air has lower density than cold one and tha t make the hot air to move up.
There is natural convection and forced convection (using fans). Natural convection is a slow proccess. And that is where those fan will help.
Talking about PSU, i think the there wont be much restriction, cause psu fan faces rad's chamber part, which is smaller, than the rest of the rad.
And, if you whana talk about my wc case design, better to do it in my thread.

[Extigy]

hu13cap, while your explination of convection is fine you have missed some points. Looking at your design, yes you have fans extracting but none supplying. If you are not putting air into the case under force, but extracting with force (your fans) you will create a negative pressure inside your case and your fans will be less effective.

Going into the physcis, if you have a negative pressure it means you have a smaller voume of air inside your case, meaning less medium through which to absorb the heat and trake it away from the components. (Like running a water cooling setup with small diameter tubing vs large)

[SpuTnicK]

Extigy, i agree with you. So those fanr will be less effective. But if all the components are watercooled, why on earth do i have add an air intake vent or fan. Name me the part that generates the amount of heat that has to be removed, apart from those that i mentioned earlier.

[Mick64]

if you whana talk about my wc case design, better to do it in my thread.

[Mick64]

Here's another render with components installed....

Parts:-
Thermochill PA 120.4 rad with 8x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Thermochill PA 120.3 rad with 6x 38mm fans and 38mm shrouds in push-pull.
Long PSU (200x160x86).
4x Raptor HDD's.
2x Optical Drives.
Akasa Fan Control Pro.
Alphacool LCD Display.
2x EK reservoirs.
2x Lang D5 Pumps.
Asus Rampage Extreme.
2x ATI HD2900XT with DD FC waterblocks.
3x Dominator Memory.
Apogee GTX.

[ryan92084]

/drool

[Blizzy]

The fan on the back is 120mm or 140mm ?

Looking great

[moiraesfate]

Goddamn this is a beautiful case design. Better than any other I've seen on the market. There's no way I could afford $400-$500 though.

[3Z3VH]

Extigy, i agree with you. So those fanr will be less effective. But if all the components are watercooled, why on earth do i have add an air intake vent or fan. Name me the part that generates the amount of heat that has to be removed, apart from those that i mentioned earlier.

Hard Drives ?

[SpuTnicK]

3Z3VH

Originally Posted by Hu13caP
There are several major heat sources in the case:
CPU - watercooled
GPU - watercooled
NorthBridge - watercooled
SouthBridge - watercooled
Mosfets - watercooled (if nessassary)
RAM - aircooled or watercooled (if nessassary)
HDDs - aircooled
DVDs - ----------
PSU - aircooled

P.S. Check my thread for details.

[MrToad]

If Vadim wouldn't have gone bust, I reckon you would have gotten yourself a deal...

It has the capabilities of the MM Pinnacle with the aesthetics of Lian-Li or Silverstone. In my books, clearly a winner.

[fox3]

>snip<
Going into the physcis, if you have a negative pressure it means you have a smaller voume of air inside your case, meaning less medium through which to absorb the heat and trake it away from the components. (Like running a water cooling setup with small diameter tubing vs large)

This is only true if the airflow is static. If you provide more exhaust than intake, negative flow, the components will shed heat more efficiently than trying to blow the same amount into the case. Pulling in this case is better.

[SpuTnicK]

+1

[naokaji]

/drool

+1

There's no way I could afford $400-$500 though.

It might appear expensive, but look at the prices Silverstone, Lian Li charge, or look at what the bigger Mountain Mods cases cost, it is unfortunately a "normal" price, best compared to SSDs, can't be beaten if it comes to performance, but you have to pay for it.

[moiraesfate]

+1

It might appear expensive, but look at the prices Silverstone, Lian Li charge, or look at what the bigger Mountain Mods cases cost, it is unfortunately a "normal" price, best compared to SSDs, can't be beaten if it comes to performance, but you have to pay for it.

True but my current case only cost me $150 and its brand new (less than 6 months old). Its really expensive when my husband and I want to start buying living room furniture (like a couch). Everything we have is very very old and falling apart. I could maybe justify $150 and just sell my current case on ebay. I can't justify $400-$500. In fact, I think my husband would be rather upset with me if I insisted I wanted to buy it for that price especially considering that is about 9/10 of one of my biweekly paychecks. Yes, he makes ok money (over twice what I do a check) but still. Money matters.

[Sadasius]

Love the black and red render big time. Kind of looks like everything is backwards though. Liked it better the other way.