You have a point, which will get even better once we see retail parts hitting 6.3Ghz and above. As Informal suggests, retail parts would get even better. In fact, I believe Who? owes those of you feel offended by his comments an apology if all his claims are proven to be wrong, once retail parts drop.Originally Posted by spursindonesia
Only 5 more days till the nda of Phenom II benchmarks are lifted and we will see what has better performance, i7 or phenom2. Personally I think that the phenom2 with it's insane overclocking potential will endup being alot more bang for your buck. Look at it this way the highest i7 oc I have seen was 5.7ghz I believe, and it had cold bug problems past -120C if I remember correctly. The phenom2 is being oced to 6.2-6.3 already at -180c, it has no cold bug so if you used liquid helium you could possibly go over 7ghz maybe even 7.5 ghz seeing how well they seem to scale with temp and voltage. Amd hasn't even had time to tweak their 45nm proccess yet, they are always improving it. Remember the first 65nm phenom could only hit 2.4ghz stock and 3 ghz oc was extremely rare like winning the lottery. After time amd tweaked the process and now the 65nm is at 2.6 stock and people are getting to 3.2 all the time and people have broke the 4ghz mark. So the phenom2 is only going to get better with time, and "if" intel pulls out all the stops and releases a 4ghz i7 or a 4ghz Core 2 Quad, Amd could always put High-k in the 45nm mix. It could really make for some sick chips. Well thats enough speculation out of me, am I that far off base??
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DrWho was wrong,he spoke before he knew all the facts(i hope at least),it's all in the past now.I doubt he will do that again.
We should all concentrate on OCing and what will be needed for common users to hit those 3.8-4Ghz for 24/7. I hope those who first get Deneb will start an official sticky thread for us all to join in and figure out the best possible setting(volts and clocks wise) for Deneb users.There is so much to tweak,from IMC/memory to NB/L3,individual core clocking,register tweaks to get the most out of the now very much improved CnQ function on Deneb etc.Fun times ahead
Yes; AMD has already gone SOI, they can't revert back, as that'll put them way behind Intel. As far as overclocking, and coldbugging, the jury is still out.
Hmm, thats right I don't know if SOI and high-k can be used together, if they can't be used together than I highly doubt we will ever see a 45nm high-k amd chip within the next year. I was just reading that the ht link on phenom2 may still have a coldbug, it seems that all the 6ghz+ oc's were done with the ht link at 1ghz. Here is a link to the thread that I read about the ht cold bug http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=210707
Also can SOI-DSL be used with High-K??
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i contacted a store today that has the 940 on pre-order.
he actualy knew nothing about a release date or when they will be in stock!
i hope the 940 is not vaporware like the x2 6500
anybody have real solid proof of this chip actualy being released on 20 dec ?
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20. Dec??
Some stores might have some CPUs in stock before January the 8th,but that's when the launch is.
Im just not gonna hold my breath on getting one before mid January so not to be disappointed. Its been quite awhile since I have seen so much anxiety over waiting for an AMD CPU to hit the shelves. They have done a great job this time.
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This ratio is starting to change
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Funny how fast they run back to the AMD forum isn't it!!!
Haha, I noticed that too. Before all of the PII info came out the "now viewing" was usually something like 12 people viewing AMD and 250 viewing intel. Just now it was 93 AMD and 205 Intel.
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That is a ridiculous summation of events.
Come on guys, no need to develop a complex over this; it's just hardware.
No point of doing a Vs, Intel fans wont do a constructive criticism to the new AMD chip all they will do is flame it and call it crap like they always done .
Wow, I think everyone ran the wrong direction with my post. all I meant was that AMD is finely drawing a crowd again.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Well, there were always those die hard Intel fanatics that were rockin P4 rigs back in the A64 days, but the past 2-3 years, it's mostly been Core fans who came away from A64 for the superior performance. And now, the AMD section is finally seeing a lot of those guys come back (like me) because once again AMD looks to be competitive.Haha, I noticed that too. Before all of the PII info came out the "now viewing" was usually something like 12 people viewing AMD and 250 viewing intel. Just now it was 93 AMD and 205 Intel.
Formerly XIP, now just P.
Its true, There is some kind of weird coincidence going on here, It seems that people are more interested in AMD when they are not sucking. I will alert the media and you guys get your heads together and have a brainstorming session as to why this is. Remember to think out side the box.
lol, yes its quite the phenomena.
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
I think what you see is a reaction to the 'over-hyping'; I'll be the first to tell you that I was initially excited about this chip, but I quickly saw some numbers which were in direct contradiction to what was being claimed. If you're already on the AMD platform, you certainly have cause to jubilate, once you move past that, it's about competition, and Intel has a strong lineup even though some would never admit it. In the end, we all may be wrong. Right now, we can only speculate, and wait.
Oh no I understand that Intel has a strong line up and such , but I was just trying to say give the chip a chance before flaming it , not saying it to you Zukcer2k , Im just referring to the flamers .
I think what people seem to forget.. can be summed up in this.
" Business is Binary, your either a 1 or a 0, alive or dead." - Gary Winston ^^
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I just thought it was kinda funny... it seems like every year the teeter-totter tilts a little farther in whichever direction it is headed at that particular time, and the arguments become a little more agressive.
More competitive market and more informed consumers perhaps?
I've been in the hobby for so long that the whole "A vs. B" thing has gotten pretty old, so now I buy whatever the hell I feel like/or the best deal, and just have fun with it. That doesn't mean I never take some time to get in a nice "discussion" every once in a while though.
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You tube video.. AMD Deneb 6GHz ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eopyFVWYjdo
nice. its cool to see that others are getting 6ghz as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_XG...related&fmt=18
this is another good video on there
allthough that one you posted is great.
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