XtremeSystems Forums

Go Back   XtremeSystems Forums > Xtreme > Xtreme Overclocking

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 12-12-2008, 12:26 AM   #1
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Phenom II X4 @ +6 GHz by Team Finland

Update:

Cold bug information:

I have now confirmed from AMD that when running Phenom II X4 with LN2 HyperTransport link has to be in HT 1.0 mode (running 1 GHz) to prevent CPU cold bugging. AMD suggested us using this setting in Chicago event and we had no problems hitting +6 GHz.

---

Hi everyone, I got back home from Chicago last night where AMD organized Dragon platform preview event.

First of all huge thanks to AMD (Macci, Simon, Pete and everyone) for inviting Team Finland (Sampsa & SF3D) to the Dragon event. It sure was a nice opportunity to run some first tests with Phenom II X4 and LN2 cooling.



Me pouring LN2, no need to fine tune temps



Chilly system running full steam



Gigabyte's 790GX retail board



Kingpin's F1 EE full of LN2, this was so sweet



Typical Vcore we used



Macci playing around with Dragon EVO pot



SF3D: "WTF?!"



Here is a CPU-Z shot after some minutes of testing

Quick summary:

- All the Phenom II X4 CPUs me and SF3D tested had no cold bug at all
- All the chips we tested could do +6,1 GHz CPU-Z
- We tested with AMD's 790GX reference board and Gigabyte's retail 790GX
- Both mobos worked fine under cold, +6 GHz and +1,95V vcore
- Vcore ~1,95V was optimal for +6 GHz clocks
- 3DMark05 & 06 CPU-tests were ok @ 6 GHz
- We were able to run Crysis @ 6,1 GHz (2 loops CPU-test)
- Max CPU-Z screenshot and validation we got with 4 cores was 6280 MHz (no dirty tricks)
- With air cooling (Cooler Master Z600) highest we got Crysis stable was @ 4,13 GHz (1,58 V)

We tested couple different revisions (ES and newer ones) but lets see how it turns out when retail chips will be launched.

I don't want to make any promises but I encourage everyone to go ahead and test yourself.

These results were definitely not maximum numbers possible to achieve.. and there might be some extremely cool (literally) numbers coming soon

More pics, ss and video coming soon

If you have any questions, I'm more than happy to answer (no peformance numbers because of NDA).
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland

Last edited by Sampsa; 12-15-2008 at 01:40 AM.
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:36 AM   #2
massman
-
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,642
Send a message via MSN to massman
What's up with the HT link at only 1007MHz?
__________________
Not certain if I should've shared the information in above's post.

Reducing activity on this forum, for contact please refer to HWBot or Madshrimps forums.

www.hwbot.org

Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5 View Post
P.S. Whatever you buy, LN2 "crushes" at ~-175*C and blows at -196*C......
massman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:36 AM   #3
TiTON
Champion
 
TiTON's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: SoCal
Posts: 446
Wow!! Very very nice. I wish I could have been there Thanks for all the info and details on your benches. It will be very handy. To get the 1.95vCore.. was the board vModded? You mentioned reference motherboards, so i am just curious.

Ton
TiTON is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:41 AM   #4
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by massman View Post
What's up with the HT link at only 1007MHz?
We were just aiming for high CPU clocks, AMD had used that setting previously so we just left it there. We only had couple of hours to spend so unfortunately we couldn't focus on everything. We have CPUs now back home so we can start tuning for best performance
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:42 AM   #5
tictac
Dragon Family
 
tictac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 2,792
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa View Post
We were just aiming for high CPU clocks, AMD had used that setting previously so we just left it there. We only had couple of hours to spend so unfortunately we couldn't focus on everything. We have CPUs now back home so we can start tuning for best performance
Nice... Can it take more than 2V?

congrats
tictac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:44 AM   #6
Newblar
Xtreme Member
 
Newblar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: los angeles
Posts: 361
Send a message via MSN to Newblar
very nice but why 790GX?
is the gigabyte 790GX the DS4H? you guys got a very special bios for it?
__________________
Seti@Home Optimized Apps
Heat
240x2 3.7 1.475v, 1.45 cpu-nb, 1.3v nb... 790gx ds4h
Quote:
Originally Posted by aNoN_ View Post
pretty low score, why not higher? kingpin gets 40k in 3dmark05 and 33k in 06 and 32k in vantage performance...
Newblar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:46 AM   #7
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiTON View Post
Wow!! Very very nice. I wish I could have been there Thanks for all the info and details on your benches. It will be very handy. To get the 1.95vCore.. was the board vModded? You mentioned reference motherboards, so i am just curious.

Ton
Hi, AMD's reference board had vcore mod but Gigabyte's board was retail without mods. We adjusted vcore straight from BIOS and it was good to go
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:47 AM   #8
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by tictac View Post
Nice... Can it take more than 2V?

congrats
Yes it can, but we didn't see better scaling after 1,95V.. maybe more cold will help
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:50 AM   #9
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar View Post
very nice but why 790GX?
is the gigabyte 790GX the DS4H? you guys got a very special bios for it?
Why not? Board worked great Yes it was GA-MA790GP-DS4H with BIOS supporting Deneb. This board costs $200 in Finland.
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:52 AM   #10
Newblar
Xtreme Member
 
Newblar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: los angeles
Posts: 361
Send a message via MSN to Newblar
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa View Post
Why not? Board worked great Yes it was GA-MA790GP-DS4H with BIOS supporting Deneb. This board costs $200 in Finland.
wouldnt the 790FX do a bit better?
i was just wondering about the board, because i bought the same mobo about a week ago for $135 u.s ^^
__________________
Seti@Home Optimized Apps
Heat
240x2 3.7 1.475v, 1.45 cpu-nb, 1.3v nb... 790gx ds4h
Quote:
Originally Posted by aNoN_ View Post
pretty low score, why not higher? kingpin gets 40k in 3dmark05 and 33k in 06 and 32k in vantage performance...
Newblar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:54 AM   #11
ilkkahy
Xtreme Member
 
ilkkahy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 283
Thats pretty amazing. Its really nice to see that amd gets back to challenge intel with cpus. Good overclockability is a good symptom indeed.

It would be great to know some benchmark results, but i suppose thats out of the question so far?
ilkkahy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:55 AM   #12
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by Newblar View Post
wouldnt the 790FX do a bit better?
i was just wondering about the board, because i bought the same mobo about a week ago for $135 u.s ^^
Yes 790FX + SB750 is probably the best platform for Phenom II X4 especially Asus M3A79-T Deluxe since it has 6 layer PCB. I have this back home so I'll try it next.
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:57 AM   #13
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
You'll see benchmark results when Phenom II X4 is officially launched.
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 12:57 AM   #14
rdrash
Xtreme Supporter
 
rdrash's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: right now...I'm in Japan.... but I move alot (originally I'm from USA, Washington State)
Posts: 75
WOW! Nice, very nice. I want .....

Great job and thanks so much for sharing!
rdrash is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:00 AM   #15
YukonTrooper
Land of the Midnight Sun
 
YukonTrooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 2,606
1.58V on 45nm is way too much for 24/7 use, is it not? What were highest clocks with reasonable volts?
__________________

For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.

..
YukonTrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:01 AM   #16
TheBlueChanell
Xtreme Member
 
TheBlueChanell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 260
It was an awesome event and you guys did a really good job. It was pretty intense watching the 3Dmark run through and not knowing if it was gonna finish.

I'd like to clear something up though, there's been some mixed thoughts on the whole 790GX/FX ordeal. 790FX/SB750 = 65nm and 790GX/SB750 = 55nm or are they both built on the 55nn?
__________________
Lian Li v1010 - MSI GD70 - X4 965 @ 3.8 1.4v / NB 2.6ghz 1.25v - 4gb OCZ DDR3 1333 6-6-6-24 1.65v - 5870 1050/1300 1.25v - 120gb Agility - 1TB Caviar Black - X-Fi Forte - Corsair HX850

LC loop soon. Have: RX360, HK3.0 Lt, Micro Res v2, Primoflex Pro 7/16 ID, Watercool DDC Top. Need: DDC 3.25, Fans and Fittings.


TheBlueChanell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:06 AM   #17
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mattskees View Post
I'd like to clear something up though, there's been some mixed thoughts on the whole 790GX/FX ordeal. 790FX/SB750 = 65nm and 790GX/SB750 = 55nm or are they both built on the 55nn?
AFAIK 790FX = 65 nm and 790GX = 55 nm.
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:09 AM   #18
donitsi
Xtreme Member
 
donitsi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Finland
Posts: 169
Nice job guys

In the near future 7ghz is possible with one core
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by inCore View Post
Oh, you'd be surprised how similar to Finland it is. Alcohol consumption levels are similar, the only difference is that in England you're in a pub making a fool of yourself, in Finland you're in a forest where nobody can see you.
donitsi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:10 AM   #19
massman
-
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,642
Send a message via MSN to massman
Did you test for HTT freq. overclocking? Any idea of the NB frequency?
__________________
Not certain if I should've shared the information in above's post.

Reducing activity on this forum, for contact please refer to HWBot or Madshrimps forums.

www.hwbot.org

Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5 View Post
P.S. Whatever you buy, LN2 "crushes" at ~-175*C and blows at -196*C......
massman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:14 AM   #20
YukonTrooper
Land of the Midnight Sun
 
YukonTrooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 2,606
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post
1.58V on 45nm is way too much for 24/7 use, is it not? What were highest clocks with reasonable volts?
Bump.
__________________

For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.

..
YukonTrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:16 AM   #21
massman
-
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,642
Send a message via MSN to massman
Define reasonable volts.
__________________
Not certain if I should've shared the information in above's post.

Reducing activity on this forum, for contact please refer to HWBot or Madshrimps forums.

www.hwbot.org

Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5 View Post
P.S. Whatever you buy, LN2 "crushes" at ~-175*C and blows at -196*C......
massman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:22 AM   #22
YukonTrooper
Land of the Midnight Sun
 
YukonTrooper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Yukon, Canada
Posts: 2,606
24/7 volts.
__________________

For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.

..
YukonTrooper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:24 AM   #23
Sampsa
Xtreme Legend
 
Sampsa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Finland
Posts: 1,664
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper View Post
24/7 volts.
We were not focusing on 24/7 clocks/voltages, this thread is about Phenom II X4 extreme-overclocking.
__________________
Favourite game: 3DMark
Work: Muropaketti.com - Finnish hardware site
Hobby: overclocking.fi - Extreme overclocking: Team Finland
Sampsa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:28 AM   #24
tictac
Dragon Family
 
tictac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Malaysia
Posts: 2,792
If it is fully tune... cpu speed, memory clock and timing... + GPU oc....

Is it it capable blowing any 3D WR?
tictac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-12-2008, 01:30 AM   #25
Deanzo
Single what ?
 
Deanzo's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 348
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sampsa View Post
- 3DMark05 & 06 CPU-tests were ok @ 6 GHz
- We were able to run Crysis @ 6,1 GHz (2 loops CPU-test)
- Max CPU-Z screenshot and validation we got with 4 cores was 6280 MHz (no dirty tricks)




Unreal guys

When is the NDA end, and we can see the numbers ?
Deanzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 06:01 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2009, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
XtremeSystems