Lower watt = Lower clockspeedOriginally Posted by Dirk Diggler
Lower watt = Lower clockspeed
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Different clock speeds.
The 125W version is an unlocked part, you pay for that nowadays.
125W version has turbo boost, that's all. All FX's are unlocked.
all versions have turbocore.
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yeah, i dont think they are all unlocked, that would be dumb for them, great for us.
95w versions are more expensive if they also offer a 125 of the same exact thing, which dosnt seem to be the case here where the 125w version is higher clocked or other bonus feature, like being unlocked.
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ive got some asus slides here, confirming the current naming scheme and the TDPs. sorry that i had to censor it.
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The correct way to say it is:On a side note: I believe I will build a new HTPC with one of the new Fusion chips
"On a side note: I believe I will build a new HTPC with a new Fusion chip."
Saying "one of the" is kind of redundant when you can just say "a".
Sorry... I couldn't resist... it was all too easy... like shooting fish in a barrel.
(BTW: I was just kidding... but on a similar note... I used to go crazy when I saw the word "Whenever" in government documentation instead of the word "When". Or perhaps the word "irregardless". I always cringed at that one too.)
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By zooming in and studying the pixels it looks like the FX-8110 has a stock frequency of 3.6 GHz and a maximum frequency of 4.0 GHz through AMD's Turbo CORE. The FX-8130P is harder to make out but it looks to have a stock frequency of 3.8 GHz and a maximum frequency of 4.2 GHz through AMD's Turbo CORE.
Anyone more skilled than me in the pixel-studying arts that'd have a go?
The frequences all seem plausible though, but I guess we'll have to wait and see for sure!
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Last edited by Warwian; 05-20-2011 at 04:03 PM.
You failed at reading the whole thread.
I said IF BD (8 core) was slower than 980X (6 core) @ stock (I'm talking about heavily threaded workloads = 980X target workloads), THEN yes, it would be a fail, since a) it would not be able to compete in high-end with a CPU released over a year ago, b) it would be barely competitive in mid-range with SB and would be totally demolished by IB (just because SB -> IB clock speeds will be at least 20% higher thanks to 22nm transistors and 3D tech).
SB has really fast cores, but only 4 of them. Most don't need 8 cores when buying a mid-range CPU because it is simply too hard to find apps using so many threads. This is where the problem lies. IF BD's cores aren't quite as fast as SB's, THEN it will lose to it in most situations (games, for example). So that's it for mid-range.
Now we look at applications that can utilise a lot of cores. This is what 980X is targeted at. This is where BD has to beat it. That's what I'm talking about. IF BD can't beat 980X at heavily threaded workloads (and BD has more cores), THEN it obviously can't beat it at poorly threaded workloads, either (not to mention SB)! So no wins at all.
Thus it has to do well at least in heavily threaded workloads (so it's well received by servers and power users, although servers have other factors, such as performance per watt; not to mention SB-E coming in Q3 and targeted at the same market).
TL;DR: a) 4-threaded application: BD > SB (assuming) => 8-threaded application: BD >>> GT > SB. Unrealistic.
b) 4-threaded application: SB > BD (assuming); 8-threaded application: BD > GT (assuming) => 8-threaded application: BD >> SB. Plausible and would make sense. So yeah, it has to beat Gulftown.
This is not fanboy talk. This is a very realistic approach. I own an AMD system, FYI.
And I guess you totally missed me posting: "I wouldn't trust this info. 99% likely that this is just yet another rumour." No, oh, wait, you even quoted it.
"How about quiting the fanboy talk and wait for some real numbers, huh?"
Sorry, man, but that's a terrible approach. Cars don't get evaluated purely by their performance and don't age in a remotely similar fashion to CPUs.
That's pure speculation once again. I guess we'll see. You have to remember that SB-E is coming out in Q3 and we don't know much about it. And this will be the real competitor of BD in server space.
So much hassle over made-up pricing.
So can you tell us what's the difference between 8130P and 8110, except for TDP? Just clock speed? Then what does that "P" stand for? Unlocked part?
I believe BD should be able to clock pretty well. Weren't there a few mentions that the architecture should allow higher clock speeds?
On a side note, a problem with this pricing (even if it's true) and comparing it to the current SB and Gulftown pricing is that Intel has no pressure to reduce the prices at the moment. They can easily keep things overpriced for great margins (and they do).
This means that they can easily offer significant price reductions if BD is competitive.
We have to really wait till launch before we can assess the price/performance ratio and which manufacturer is better at it. I expect AMD to have a slightly better price/performance ratio in mid-range since they've stuck to this strategy in the past, though.
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I thought all of the FX chips are going to be unlocked?
I did try too.While I am unsure wheter the 8110 is at 3.6 or 3.3 (the latter would fit into recent leaks), I am pretty sure 8130 is at 3.2Ghz, which is somewhat confusing. As for turbo, did you notice there are "+" signs?
For 8110, I am pretty sure that's a +1.0GHz max. While for the 8130P I am seeing +1.2. A more powerful turbo would explain the TDP.
The problem is, those "+" are being blurred differently, the "1" following the first one is also different than the others. I am therefore calling this a FAKE!
PS. Is the date 5th Feb, or 2nd May?
Maybe it isn't supposed to compete in high end? Why does a 320$ CPU have to compete with a 800$ orwhatitspricenow? Those Intel 6 cores are a giant ripoff in my eyes and I am sad people fell for it.
As for being demolished, do you assume AMD's R&D department ceases to exist after releasing bulldozer? Will that be the last chip AMD ever releases to the market? It' not like they didn't left some space in the naming scheme for 8150, 8170, 8190, nor can't they start the 8200 series with enhanced BD cores in 2012, no?
"How about quiting the fanboy talk and wait for some real numbers, huh?"
That's the problem. It's NOT that obvious. It's a new architecture, unlike anything we have seen so far and we already know there might be new and interesting approaches how single threads are being processed. Saying single threaded performance = multithreaded peformance / number of cores doesn't work when you have strong turbo modes and a very different architecture, how cores are being defined.IF BD can't beat 980X at heavily threaded workloads (and BD has more cores), then it obviously can't beat it at poorly threaded workloads, either (not to mention SB)! So no wins at all.
Yep, I quoted that because I found it interesting to how much conclusions you arrived at after this 99% rumour info. "So much for the BD hype and all those long years of waiting and development." Yep, AMD is doomed.And I guess you totally missed me posting: "I wouldn't trust this info. 99% likely that this is just yet another rumour." No, oh, wait, you even quoted it.
I think its
8130P 3.2Ghz and 8110 3.3Ghz
darth your missing his point.If BD cant compete with something that came out 1.5 years before it(depending when we can get BDs)then its a fail.Looking at these prices it looks like the first run BD will go head to head with 2600ks.The only problem for AMD is intel will launch its ivy bridge chips right as BD comes out.
BD is late and almost a whole die shrink behind intel.
I don't like the cheap pricing (if true) - to me it indicates AMD feels their CPUs lag behind and must be priced lower, just like the x6.
I would at least expect an 8-core chip to be close to 980X in MT tasks. If we compare single threaded desktop BS on 6 and 8 core chips, it's a total waste of time and lack of subject understanding (or maybe just marketing).
I want faster CPUs darn it! I am still on a 3 year old (at least I think) C2Q for my work because it still gives me similar performance per GHz like Nehalem (and much higher than x6). grrrr /end personal rant.
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If Zambezi is as fast as 980X in highly parallel applications, its single core will be slightly stronger than 980X.
The pricing (if ture) is some what interesting...
LLano pricing is basically a AthlonII/phenomII with a corresponding HD55xx card...
If you look at the top moddel -> for 170$ you get a PhenomII 955 + HD5570 which is ~180$ on newegg
The real attractive parts are the dualcores, they don't offer any similar products that you can buy separatly and the pricing is very good.
Don't know what to think about BD.. that pricing would indicate its just a bit faster then a 2600k... which would make me a sad panda... but I wait for some performance numbers, maybe then it looks better.
remember the diagram:
so prices are correct
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Why do the prices seems too good to be true. I mean llano is a repacked K10.5/K11 with a integrated GPU, since in most cases a dual core with HT can come very close to a quad core AMD, a quad core Intel will wipe any llano based cpu off the map. Now comes the SNB i3 and Pentium's, the dual core i3 with HT will come very close to quad core llano performance and SNB Pentium will lag behind a bit.
What is important to find out is the clock speed llano will come out with and also how capable the integrated GPU is. From what i was told quite some time ago its not super great there are bottlenecks and in certain situations they take a tool on the GPU.
In the end one has to decide upon a SNB+ AMD/Nvidia gpu or a llano...
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it also depends on their Turbo implementation on Llano
under heavy cpu loads they should be able to push a few hundred extra mhz because there is no load on the gpu -> i expect turbo core speeds over 4ghz on Llano
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