The Fermi Thread - Part 3

[GoldenTiger]

They just updated their stock status when you click the "Check availability" link:

Part # 11112353
Manufacturer PNY Technologies
Manufacturer Part # VCGGTX480XPB
MSRP $549.99
Your Price $513.74
Availability Out of Stock
Estimated Time of Arrival 03/26/2010

[pentium777]

They just updated their stock status when you click the "Check availability" link:

Oh damn, it is actually gonna happen.....

Fermi !

EDIT: I just went to site and added two GTX 480 to cart to see how it felt and it felt pretty good... However I just can't do PNY...

[GoldenTiger]

@ GoldenTiger, ya a friend of mine at a board partner company tells me in not so many words that Nvidia has stuck fear of God in these people about publishing details / specs etc... Kind of funny if you ask me. So his place of employment threatened them the same with losing their jobs if they discussed it.

Yep, that's the feeling I've gotten when contacting a couple of places... and from what I've seen of some sites such as PNY's showing that GTX 400 series link then yanking it off, only to have it show up a few minutes again and so on.

[GoldenTiger]

Oh damn, it is actually gonna happen.....

Fermi !

EDIT: I just went to site and added two GTX 480 to cart to see how it felt and it felt pretty good... However I just can't do PNY...

Yeah, PNY doesn't thrill me but it supposedly has a lifetime warranty (and not just shelf life) per their current terms and conditions (latest one I could find with google): http://www3.pny.com/support/media//F...9-01-09_v1.pdf

Their phone sales has always been OK when I call them, and I don't really hear any horror stories about them, so I figure I'll let my order stay and enjoy not having to be lightning-fast to snatch a card up on Friday.

P.S. Another vendor I contacted said they expect the 26th as well for some to receive their allocations (not all will apparrently) through the first week of April. Said vendor warned that it will be hard to find them the first couple, similar to the 5870. So, indeed, Fermi, for better or ill you're about to join us .

[pentium777]

Yeah, PNY doesn't thrill me but it supposedly has a lifetime warranty (and not just shelf life) per their current terms and conditions (latest one I could find with google): http://www3.pny.com/support/media//F...9-01-09_v1.pdf

Their phone sales has always been OK when I call them, and I don't really hear any horror stories about them, so I figure I'll let my order stay and enjoy not having to be lightning-fast to snatch a card up on Friday.

P.S. Another vendor I contacted said they expect the 26th as well for some to receive their allocations (not all will apparrently) through the first week of April. Said vendor warned that it will be hard to find them the first couple, similar to the 5870. So, indeed, Fermi, for better or ill you're about to join us .

Yep I have the feeling that my waiting and not jumping on the opportunity to order right now from that place might make me have to wait. I'm going to be ready and available to order the moment I find the card I want which ideally would be the BFG or Evga OC'd version. I guess the 725/1050 rumored one. Since I plan to keep them 12-18 months I'd like to ensure I can deal with issues easily and both companies have had good reps. With the reading it seems the 512CC is going to have to be a refresh OR it'll be priced higher than reasonable. Also both companies have that 90 or 100 day trade up thing just in case a refresh comes out sooner than expected.

[trinibwoy]

i just went to site and added two gtx 480 to cart to see how it felt and it felt pretty good...

[TurboDiv]

What about that rumor about nVidia forcing the sellers : " If you wanna sell GTX 480 you buy 50 crappy cards also otherwise no GTX 480 for you"...

Anyone heard about it ?

[Just learnin']

It has no PhysX

GPU PhysX has to be disabled for a valid Vantage run.

[SimBy]

Sig worthy.

[jaredpace]

From Nvidia:

[Mechanical Man]

You need to add to ur sig, that when it was said, and that Fermi has been 6months late at that point

[Designer]

holy is that for real?

[-Sweeper_]

From Nvidia:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4164/73529807.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6378/gtx4802.jpg

not bad

[96redformula]

holy is that for real?

That means a 2gb/overclocked 5870 is going to close that gap where nvidia does have the lead.

How are they justifying those high prices for FERMI?

[Olivon]

Are you on a "who'll be more anti-nvidia while making the most hilariously wrong comments" bet with eric66? If so, I think you're going to win, eric66's posts are way better than yours.

[GoldenTiger]

From Nvidia:

[*IMG]http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4164/73529807.jpg[/IMG]

[*IMG]http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6378/gtx4802.jpg[/IMG]

Hmmmm... if true (and the watermark matches with what I've seen in the past, who knows though), the #'s for 2560x1600 look like this percentage-wise for the average framerates (I'm guessing minimums would be higher on the 480 vs 5870, as well):

Far Cry 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 40.5% advantage
Hawx 2560x1600 4x/16x: 12.5% advantage
Resident Evil 5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 16.6% advantage
Crysis Warhead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 17% advantage (but still unplayable)
Batman AA 2560x1600 4x/16x: 39.3% advantage
Left4Dead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 6.4% advantage (CPU-bound?)
Stalker Clear Sky 2560x1600 4x/16x: 27.4% advantage
Battleforge 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.5% advantage
World In Conflict 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.7% advantage
Aliens vs. Predator 2560x1600 4x/16x: 25% advantage
Battlefield BC2 2560x1600 4x/16x : 2.3% advantage (lol)
Metro 2033 2560x1600 4x/16x: 38.5% advantage (but unplayable, 18 fps vs 13... no settings really specified either as far as tesselation)
Bioshock 2 2560x1600 1x/16x: 11% advantage
CoD5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 15.7% advantage
CoD6 MW2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 14.5% advantage
Dirt 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 10.4% advantage

Impressive in some cases, unimpressive in others... I'm curious, if these are relatively accurate, how the minimums fare: will we see much bigger min. gains than avg ones? I'm hoping it'll be like the GTX 280 to 5870 gap in that regard, where the minimums are boosted far more than just averages. It seems realistic enough *shrug*.

That means a 2gb/overclocked 5870 is going to close that gap where nvidia does have the lead.

How are they justifying those high prices for FERMI?

Depends if it's framebuffer limitations or not... hopefully we can look forward to driver improvements ala' 10.3 catalyst for the 5870, for the GTX 480 in a few months if this is accurate. It's about what I was expecting.

[96redformula]

Hmmmm... if true (and the watermark matches with what I've seen in the past, who knows though), the #'s for 2560x1600 look like this percentage-wise for the average framerates (I'm guessing minimums would be higher on the 480 vs 5870, as well):

Far Cry 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 40.5% advantage
Hawx 2560x1600 4x/16x: 12.5% advantage
Resident Evil 5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 16.6% advantage
Crysis Warhead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 17% advantage (but still unplayable)
Batman AA 2560x1600 4x/16x: 39.3% advantage
Left4Dead 2560x1600 4x/16x: 6.4% advantage (CPU-bound?)
Battleforge 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.5% advantage
World In Conflict 2560x1600 4x/16x: 23.7% advantage
Aliens vs. Predator 2560x1600 4x/16x: 25% advantage
Battlefield BC2 2560x1600 4x/16x : 2.3% advantage (lol)
Metro 2033 2560x1600 4x/16x: 38.5% advantage (but unplayable, 18 fps vs 13... no settings really specified either as far as tesselation)
Bioshock 2 2560x1600 1x/16x: 11% advantage
CoD5 2560x1600 4x/16x: 15.7% advantage
CoD6 MW2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 14.5% advantage
Dirt 2 2560x1600 4x/16x: 10.4% advantage

Impressive in some cases, unimpressive in others... I'm curious, if these are relatively accurate, how the minimums fare: will we see much bigger min. gains than avg ones? I'm hoping it'll be like the GTX 280 to 5870 gap. It seems realistic enough *shrug*.




Depends if it's framebuffer limitations or not... hopefully we can look forward to driver improvements ala' 10.3 catalyst for the 5870, for the GTX 480 in a few months if this is accurate. It's about what I was expecting.

So the question is now, how will this compete with 10.3+ drivers and 2GB hd5870. I don't understand why compare it to 1GB 5870 on 9.xx drivers, that was 6+ months ago....

[GoldenTiger]

So the question is now, how will this compete with 10.3+ drivers and 2GB hd5870. I don't understand why compare it to 1GB 5870 on 9.xx drivers, that was 6+ months ago....

Where does it say those #'s are on 9.xx drivers?

[annihilat0r]

I've made the calculations:

GTX 480 beats the HD5870 %24 average on 1920 + 4xAA, and 23% average on 2560 + 4xAA.

GTX 470 performs nearly completely equal to HD5870 on both settings.

if those benches are correct.

[eric66]

Are you on a "who'll be more anti-nvidia while making the most hilariously wrong comments" bet with eric66? If so, I think you're going to win, eric66's posts are way better than yours.

i guess i must thank for this wow what a pr_ck

[trinibwoy]

Wow, looks like I won't be playing Metro 2033 for quite a while. Damn this 30" monitor.

[96redformula]

I've made the calculations:

GTX 480 beats the HD5870 %24 average on 1920 + 4xAA, and 23% average on 2560 + 4xAA.

GTX 470 performs nearly completely equal to HD5870 on both settings.

Now write that down so when real non-biased reviews come out we will know how credible nvidia is with providing factual information on benchmarks.

[GoldenTiger]

I've made the calculations:

GTX 480 beats the HD5870 %24 average on 1920 + 4xAA, and 23% average on 2560 + 4xAA.

GTX 470 performs nearly completely equal to HD5870 on both settings.

if those benches are correct.

Not a bad showing in my opinion... question remains though, what driver version were those 5870 #'s taken with?

[ElSel10]

[eric66]

btw its funny ati loosing with huge difference in AvsP and battleforge since they both are atis own ( of course if those results are true still gonna wait for some quality review )