OCZ to come out with new VERTEX SSD,S equiped with 64MB OF CACHE starting at $129

[karateo]

OT: what's with the crazy Firefox promotion banner in the sig, karateo?

promoting my FREE favorite web browser
what ur problem about it?

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[Chosen.]

One final thing I guess is that when SDD eventually goes mainstream who will Dell/ etc go to for their SDD. Intel or OCZ?

None of these two: Samsung
They are already their sole supplier and SSDs are available in all of their notebook lines.

[XS Janus]

promoting my FREE favorite web browser
what ur problem about it?

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None... But it looks to aggressive IMO. I'm just not used to seeing promotions done this way on this site. Free or otherwise...
I use FF to, so I wasn't trying to hate or anything...


Back on-T: I hope Corsair and others are paying attention and spying on OCZ and their hard work being put into this. I hope to see their products compete as well.

[dengyong]

Vertex must have some serious problems to be delayed for so long.

[jedisolo]

Corsair's first SSD is just a rebadged Samsung. I opened mine up, it uses a Samsung ARM controller and it has 32 mb of onboard cache. Even though the specs say 90/70 it's a lot faster.

[Ao1]

That's exactly the problem. Corsair, OCZ etc are associated with high end components and that is why there is a market for them to rebrand someone else's product, but their market is not mainstream, it's high end.

Their products were sold as being high end for the masses at a reasonable price but they are not top end and the price/ performance ratio was completely unacceptable.

I was one of the first people to buy a Core in the UK and was the first to post about stuttering on OCZ's forum. At first they totally denied it and it obviously took them by complete surprise. When denial was no longer an option they looked at ways of reducing stuttering by coming out with tweaks. [You won't find any of the posts because OCZ removed them. Not just posts but complete threads.]

OCZ's forum is just a desperate attempt to mitigate the poor performance of the Core. The Vertex is really what the Core should have been in the first place.

What gets me is that OCZ tried to blame the Core on customers "that did not understand what they were buying", "M$"......anyone but themselves.

Intel don't have a forum, but guess what, you don't need to go to an Intel forum to work out how to make their drives work, they just work out of the box. They did their research before release, OCZ did it afterwards.

[PaVi90]

Hm I'm between Intel X25-E and OCZ Vertex. It will take some time to choose the right product.

Mmh, I suggest Intel X25-E

[georgesod]

Mmh, I suggest Intel X25-E

Take a look at those 4 samsung slc 32gb in raid0. Left: stripe 128 cluster 16k without os and right: same stripe and cluster with os (vista ultimate 64). They cost (all together) less than an intel x-25 and you end up with 120gb

[Griff805]

Man, gone for the weekend and I missed all this=

PM me when your review comes out, I can't wait to see it.

Maybe OCZ should send him a drive to compare- That would probably be the best move for OCZ. That is, if they have faith in their product.

Once the products line up with what they are marketed as, then you'll see the "ocz haters" shut up- Haven't seen that happen yet though.

Tony- No need to come on here and defend your products if they work as advertised. It's that simple, don't know what all your OCZ forum buddies are getting out their psychology books and analyzing all the "haters" over here No one is making anything over here personal, you're the one that is acting like you're being attacked. Maybe you should try and take a more professional demeanor on these forums instead of acting like a victim. Same goes with Wendy now on your forums. She/He only discredits herself/himself with the immature comments made on your forums regarding users on this forum. Looks like you XS guys here really hurt Wendy's feelings, she needed some group therapy it seems and they are having a Pow-wow at the OCZ forums

I'm just a consumer, and I have the freedom to be critical of any product I want. If that upsets you, and makes you feel hurt, well you're in the wrong business. So please, XS mods, if you think I am being unfair in any of my posts, let me know. As far as I know, XS is a place that encourages critical analysis of hardware/software. That's all I have done, and most others on this forum. Wish people would stop crying when someone disagree's with them, or God forbid, actually calls someone out on their ignorance.

One last thing- Make up your minds whether benchmarking is valid or not. It's really getting old to see you guys praising your drives when the Benchmarks are good, then trying to discredit all benchmarking when the results are poor.

[TimoneX]

...somehow I doubt that post will lessen the tension.

[Miwo]

my thoughts on the whole Wendy drama:

it just goes to show that if you want people to perceive you as a truly independent objective reviewer, don't post on a manufacturers forum. As unbiased as she or any other reviewer may be, people jump to conclusions and put one and one together. It goes something like, 'Wendy posts at OCZ, therefore is biased for all OCZ products'. Rumors start flying, and any credibility for the reviewer is shredded to pieces due to rumor and drama alone.

Really sad that its that way, but people will naturally think like that. But of course people on the internet are always arguing and bringing up retarded comments regardless if she post or doesnt post. Either way, time to move on and past this drama

[dengyong]

Man, gone for the weekend and I missed all this=



Maybe OCZ should send him a drive to compare- That would probably be the best move for OCZ. That is, if they have faith in their product.

Once the products line up with what they are marketed as, then you'll see the "ocz haters" shut up- Haven't seen that happen yet though.

Tony- No need to come on here and defend your products if they work as advertised. It's that simple, don't know what all your OCZ forum buddies are getting out their psychology books and analyzing all the "haters" over here No one is making anything over here personal, you're the one that is acting like you're being attacked. Maybe you should try and take a more professional demeanor on these forums instead of acting like a victim. Same goes with Wendy now on your forums. She/He only discredits herself/himself with the immature comments made on your forums regarding users on this forum. Looks like you XS guys here really hurt Wendy's feelings, she needed some group therapy it seems and they are having a Pow-wow at the OCZ forums

I'm just a consumer, and I have the freedom to be critical of any product I want. If that upsets you, and makes you feel hurt, well you're in the wrong business. So please, XS mods, if you think I am being unfair in any of my posts, let me know. As far as I know, XS is a place that encourages critical analysis of hardware/software. That's all I have done, and most others on this forum. Wish people would stop crying when someone disagree's with them, or God forbid, actually calls someone out on their ignorance.

One last thing- Make up your minds whether benchmarking is valid or not. It's really getting old to see you guys praising your drives when the Benchmarks are good, then trying to discredit all benchmarking when the results are poor.

Well said.

[day187]

Got my Vertex today for my OS and moved my VelociRaptor 2x300GB RAID 0 for use as a gaming drive

some quick test

Vertex Full vista install and fully updated

HD TACH

Vertex



VelociRaptor



HD Tune
Vertex



VelociRaptor




IO/Meter

[One_Hertz]

^^^^

Thanks for that. Following those benchies seems 60GB vertex is about 15% slower at random writes than 120GB version and a bit slower at seq reads.

[RealTelstar]

Take a look at those 4 samsung slc 32gb in raid0. Left: stripe 128 cluster 16k without os and right: same stripe and cluster with os (vista ultimate 64). They cost (all together) less than an intel x-25 and you end up with 120gb

Again, those prices were some stock sell out. Normal prices are 3 times those, so stop pimping these.

[XS Janus]

Can you post IOmeter for VR setup?
How does it compare to that?

[Brahmzy]

^^^^

Thanks for that. Following those benchies seems 60GB vertex is about 15% slower at random writes than 120GB version and a bit slower at seq reads.

I think it would better to see both SSDs actually benched on the same machine before making those claims.

[One_Hertz]

I think it would better to see both SSDs actually benched on the same machine before making those claims.

IOMeter results do not change from PC to PC. It is the most stable storage benchmark to date in that sense.

[3Z3VH]

In the past few weeks I have seen a LOT of FUD regarding the Vertex drives. I am forced to wonder how much of it is just from people who have already spent nearly double the price on Intel drives and are just trying to justify their purchase.

Seriously, I have not seen so many people so virulent about a new piece of technology. Especially one that seems to be good on all accounts... Sure, in individual ways HDDs are still faster, and the Intel can do some other things better... but is there really a reason for such rancor directed at OCZ for wanting to even try competing with the Intel at nearly half the cost ? I say bravo to them for not trying to gouge their audience's wallets, like Intel seems bent on doing.

[Brahmzy]

IOMeter results do not change from PC to PC. It is the most stable storage benchmark to date in that sense.

Of course they can change dude. There's potentially different hardware, controller differences, settings, cache settings etc...

[dengyong]

In the past few weeks I have seen a LOT of FUD regarding the Vertex drives. I am forced to wonder how much of it is just from people who have already spent nearly double the price on Intel drives and are just trying to justify their purchase.

Seriously, I have not seen so many people so virulent about a new piece of technology. Especially one that seems to be good on all accounts... Sure, in individual ways HDDs are still faster, and the Intel can do some other things better... but is there really a reason for such rancor directed at OCZ for wanting to even try competing with the Intel at nearly half the cost ? I say bravo to them for not trying to gouge their audience's wallets, like Intel seems bent on doing.

Do you own a vertex or any other ocz drives ?

[lowfat]

In the past few weeks I have seen a LOT of FUD regarding the Vertex drives. I am forced to wonder how much of it is just from people who have already spent nearly double the price on Intel drives and are just trying to justify their purchase.

Seriously, I have not seen so many people so virulent about a new piece of technology. Especially one that seems to be good on all accounts... Sure, in individual ways HDDs are still faster, and the Intel can do some other things better... but is there really a reason for such rancor directed at OCZ for wanting to even try competing with the Intel at nearly half the cost ? I say bravo to them for not trying to gouge their audience's wallets, like Intel seems bent on doing.

Who are you kidding when you say 1/2 the cost?
120GB Vertex $510 CAD. $4.25/GB
60GB Vertex $290 CAD. $4.81/GB
30GB Vertex $149 CAD. $5/GB
80GB X25-M $440 CAD. 5.56/GB

[One_Hertz]

Of course they can change dude. There's potentially different hardware, controller differences, settings, cache settings etc...

I am talking about single drive ICH10 results to single drive ICH10 results both within Vista. 120GB Vertex is ~2450 RW 4KB IOPS and the 60GB is ~2150. This is expected as Tony did say this was going to happen. He also said 30GB should be a bit quicker than 60GB, so we will see that part later.

[XS Janus]

@day187: That IOmeter test is 4k, right?

1x250GB on ICH10R


2x120GB on ICH10R in Raid0

[3Z3VH]

Do you own a vertex or any other ocz drives ?

One OCZ Core v2 120GB. And yes, I have felt the pains of the stuttering and poor write performance of the JMicron controller. but too many people have been ragging on the Vertex Drives based on the reputation of earlier OCZ drives, when comparing the internals of the Vertex vs Core is like comparing apples and oranges.

I don't mean to defend OCZ's Vertex at all, but it just seems a lot of the FUD being spread is not based on any hard fact, only speculation.

Trying to say the Vertex will be just like the Core because both are made by OCZ is pure crap. This would be like saying the Intel stutters like the Core V2 simply because they are both SSDs.

Who are you kidding when you say 1/2 the cost?
120GB Vertex $510 CAD. $4.25/GB
60GB Vertex $290 CAD. $4.81/GB
30GB Vertex $149 CAD. $5/GB
80GB X25-M $440 CAD. 5.56/GB

X25-M 160GB $869.91 ($5.44/GB)
Vertex 250GB $899.99 ($3.60/GB)

You are correct, not half, but still a major difference between the two. And with the price cuts Intel has made in only the past month (they used to be upwards of $8/GB only a month ago), I am not surprised the gap has narrowed... but typically the newer technology is the more expensive one, not the established technology that has been out (and mass-produced) for several months.

I am not even here to dispute which is king of SSD drives. All I am saying is the OCZ seems to be doing VERY well in all respects, and even giving the Intel a run for its money, but all I have heard from enthusiasts is an emphatic cry-fest, rather than them being ecstatic that someone is giving Intel a bit of competition that can drive the price point of USEABLE SSDs into the mainstream market (which has been the only thing holding them back).

We should be HAPPY about this people, not resistant.