OCZ to come out with new VERTEX SSD,S equiped with 64MB OF CACHE starting at $129

[One_Hertz]

I do happen to know her and have reviewed WITH her for quite some time.

To say she is "Very far from independent" is a slap to her face.

Sorry but you should really get your facts straight before you discredit someone.

She has VERY independently reviewed 100's of various computer product and tells it like it is.

If you don't believe the review that is fine we all have our opinions but you sir have it all wrong.

As soon as any so called independent reviewer joins the forums of a competing company in some sort of position other than a passerby they immediately discredit themselves to the maximum extent. She was even called a tester for OCZ for a while.

My facts are very straight, that review is biased garbage. The drive was not compared to anything in its weight category and saying that the only negative is the price is just a bad joke. I just named a very hefty drawback in my previous post yet she somehow missed it. So she is either incompetent, biased, or both.

The drive may very well be good, but as of now, there is nothing available that can even remotely be considered a proper review.

The amount of the growing OCZ fanboy base is astonishing. So many people preordered the drives without really knowing anything about them.

[Eagleclaw]

PM me when your review comes out, I can't wait to see it.

As soon as any so called independent reviewer joins the forums of a competing company in some sort of position other than a passerby they immediately discredit themselves to the maximum extent. She was even called a tester for OCZ for a while.

My facts are very straight, that review is biased garbage. The drive was not compared to anything in its weight category and saying that the only negative is the price is just a bad joke. I just named a very hefty drawback in my previous post yet she somehow missed it. So she is either incompetent, biased, or both.

The drive may very well be good, but as of now, there is nothing available that can even remotely be considered a proper review.

The amount of the growing OCZ fanboy base is astonishing. So many people preordered the drives without really knowing anything about them.

[Lu(ky]

As soon as any so called independent reviewer joins the forums of a competing company in some sort of position other than a passerby they immediately discredit themselves to the maximum extent. She was even called a tester for OCZ for a while.

My facts are very straight, that review is biased garbage. The drive was not compared to anything in its weight category and saying that the only negative is the price is just a bad joke. I just named a very hefty drawback in my previous post yet she somehow missed it. So she is either incompetent, biased, or both.

The drive may very well be good, but as of now, there is nothing available that can even remotely be considered a proper review.

The amount of the growing OCZ fanboy base is astonishing. So many people preordered the drives without really knowing anything about them.

I agree with you 100% if you go to the OCZ forum you have to go by there rules and say nothing neg or put anything that will compete with there product without getting banned. Bottom line we are the consumer in a very new market to ssd's. The Vertex series seems very promising and I will check them out when a more non-bias review comes out. Then again I really do not think OCZ will send out FREE vertex drives to real reviewers. The real reviewers will have to shell out some cashola themselves and this can take months.

[Ao1]

Seems to me that SDD manufactures' chose to use selective headline read/ write performance to market their drives as it was the most unbalanced way to compare HHD performance. Now they are stuck with it and some at least are struggling to maintain ever increasing headline read/ writes whilst simultaneously trying to address the ongoing root problem of poor sequential small reads/writes, which are the Achilles' heel of most SSD's.

I'd like to see a benchmark that could show a true comparative performance of HDD /SSD using parameters that are reflective of user experience.....normal OS use, rather than assuming someone is transferring huge files all day long on a drive format that has comparatively low storage capacity.

It seems ironic that some SSD manufactures' blame "M$" and anyone else in the firing line when selective headline high read/ write performance fails to translate into fast user experience, when every other week a new SSD version hits the shelf with a different controller/ configuration. That can't exactly make it easy for the rest of the community to provide supporting software/hardware. Who could blame them for sitting back and waiting for the dust to settle?

(I guess if nothing else a new drive per month keeps certain fanboys ever hopefull that they will one day eventually get a decent performing SSD.)

[XS Janus]

I like the way they made real world file copy transfer tests!
To bad they didn't include X-25M or even E drive...

Actually there is no excuse for that!
We could have laid this issue to rest if they had, or at least have a meaning full discussion.
This way the speculation continues

I ain't ordering anything until the dust settles

[Tony]

So I ban people for talking about Intel or corsair on my forum....eerr NO. I tell people off yes because its free advertisement of a competitors product.

Remember i run a forum OWNED by a manufacturer, its NOT XS and never will have the freedom you have here as OCZ are here to sell and support OCZ product.

Get a grip guys, if you don't like the drive...fine i can live with that, but this bashing and personal crap is p155ing me off royally.

I have banned 1 person...and that was 28 day holiday for disrespecting me on another forum...so please get your facts right before you make accusations.

Why do i continue to defend myself here when I am not wanted...?

im done with XS

[Ao1]

As soon as any so called independent reviewer joins the forums of a competing company in some sort of position other than a passerby they immediately discredit themselves to the maximum extent. She was even called a tester for OCZ for a while.

My facts are very straight, that review is biased garbage. The drive was not compared to anything in its weight category and saying that the only negative is the price is just a bad joke. I just named a very hefty drawback in my previous post yet she somehow missed it. So she is either incompetent, biased, or both.

The drive may very well be good, but as of now, there is nothing available that can even remotely be considered a proper review.

The amount of the growing OCZ fanboy base is astonishing. So many people preordered the drives without really knowing anything about them.

Isn't the review also completely irrelevant because the " Vertex" that was tested used a different controller firmware to the retail version that is allegedly one day going to hit the streets?

[Praz]

Isn't the review also completely irrelevant because the " Vertex" that was tested used a different controller firmware to the retail version that is allegedly one day going to hit the streets?

The review was done with the shipping firmware.

[Ao1]

The review was done with the shipping firmware.

So the drive that was tested in December had the same firmware version as the retail version?

[Nizzen]

haha. The first store in Norway has the vertex 30gb in stock now. $215. LoL. I'm gonna wait until the price lowers before i pull the trigger on 2 of those ^^

It is not in stock yet. What store? Komplett.no, Ps.no ? Prisguiden.no

[Praz]

So the drive that was tested in December had the same firmware version as the retail version?

Her review went up yesterday. Where is December coming from?

[Lu(ky]

So I ban people for talking about Intel or corsair on my forum....eerr NO. I tell people off yes because its free advertisement of a competitors product.

Remember i run a forum OWNED by a manufacturer, its NOT XS and never will have the freedom you have here as OCZ are here to sell and support OCZ product.

Get a grip guys, if you don't like the drive...fine i can live with that, but this bashing and personal crap is p155ing me off royally.

I have banned 1 person...and that was 28 day holiday for disrespecting me on another forum...so please get your facts right before you make accusations.

Why do i continue to defend myself here when I am not wanted...?

im done with XS

Tony FYI since you make this personal and do not understand we are the consumer and yes it is not your forum this is a OPEN discussion one. Let me get this off my chest. Since I bought a OCZ product I have had 4 DOA on new products from neweggs. I think you guys try to do WAY to much instead of focusing on one solid product like Corsair. Again you should not let me spoil your input here on this forum for the rest. We are in hard times right now and I think we want 100% best service. Everyone keeps talking about this drive and we wait then the Apex pops ups, we wait and wait and wait bla bla bla. If this product is HOT like you say just put everything out on the table already Intel M, Intel E, Western Digital VelociRaptor, 15k drives and the famous Vertex drives and let us be the judge. You are only doing this to your self in my opinion.

[Ao1]

Her review went up yesterday. Where is December coming from?

Isn't the writter of the review a beta tester for OCZ? Do you know who else has got the drive to review?

[Praz]

PC Perspective, CDFreaks and AnandTech all receive pre-released drives with shipping firmware. Does this make them Beta testers? I would think so just like reviewers who have pre-release motherboards or any other product.

[Ao1]

PC Perspective, CDFreaks and AnandTech all receive pre-released drives with shipping firmware. Does this make them Beta testers? I would think so just like reviewers who have pre-release motherboards or any other product.

The reviewer was a beta tester of the OCZ Apex and as this review has come out before any other review I presumed it was pre release Vertex with an earlier fm revison, but if not my applogies.

I guess other reviews will be imminent and hopefully for the fanboy's it will be something they have long deserved.

[Tony]

Guys

I have never banned anyone for giving a competitor free advertising on the ocz forum..I edited posts just like XS staff edit sigs for linking to other sites without permission etc.

A number of reviewers all had drives early as Praz says, I also know many reviewers beta test boards and video cards under NDA then review them once NDA is lifted...this is the norm and you all except that.

I'm not taking this personal but im getting sick of defending myself here. if you don't like the drives don't buy them,for me its that simple...

[Tony]

The reviewer was a beta tester of the OCZ Apex and as this review has come out before any other review I presumed it was pre release Vertex with an earlier fm revison, but if not my applogies.

No it was NOT...if you want I will have her open the drives so you can see

[Ao1]

Well if that review is in any way doggy it pales into comparison on the indentity/creditbility of whoever wrote this as a comment to the review.

Posted by Aaron Ambrose (guest) on Friday 27 February 2009 03:55
Seriously, love the review, and love the drive!!!
Where will these be available to buy first (and when)?
I still have a couple of concerns, however, before I make the SSD plunge. These concerns may not be an issue with OCZ SSD drives at all, but they seem to be with some other SSDs.
So here goes:
- Any word on the rumoured symptoms that affect the only competitor (x25-m/e) being an issue with this drive? For example, will this drive properly prevent (or allow an OS to prevent) defragmenting. The experts say that a total reformat is required to fix the Intel "M.”
- And the "E" (SLC) even sounds worse, in that it is said that after only one use, the blocks are required to erase, then re-write - cutting their awesome write performance in half after only one use! (But I get the feeling this phenomenon is common (to a degree) with all SLC SSDs.)
- How about the other issue you hear about: the 80% issue? After reaching 80% full, it appears a lot of SSD’s have a heart attack! Which could really prevent the smart shopper from buying the 30 GB drive... if, of course, this is an issue with “this” such drive...
How does this drive fair with these issues? Any info anyone? Anyone... Buler?

[Elfear]

I for one really appreciate the contributions you make to the forum Tony. It makes complete sense to not allow a lot of talk of competitors on OCZ forums. Exactly as you've stated, why give free advertising to competitors. The funniest was when people were irritated that they were given no help with a competitor's product.

I think it's awesome that OCZ provides such direct contact with it's customer base and even set up a poll to figure out what they wanted for a product's firmware. I can name plenty of manufacturers who turn a deaf ear to customers or at the very least react very slowly to customer needs.

[karateo]

from here
http://www.cdfreaks.com/reviews/OCZ-...enchmarks.html


Why do I think that the ATTO shows horrible performance?
Check the link below and tell me, why should someone prefer the Vertex insted of the half-priced samsung mlc at 100pounds (130-140 at ebay)
http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/s...tml?SAM-SSD64M

benchmarks: http://www.thelab.gr/showthread.php?...#content_start
By Chosen

[alfaunits]

ATTO is the most worthless benchmark, when it comes to real world usefulness.

[XS Janus]

OT: what's with the crazy Firefox promotion banner in the sig, karateo?

[Ao1]

Yes but you comment on cheap value drives as if they are high performance drives...just look at the bashing Core got on here and you will understand my point.

When OCZ release a value part you guys still think it should be good for breakin records, fact is to make money these days you have to focus away from the top end enthusiast as the market is to small until the price of the high end components comes down.

Sorry fact but true.

Its like selling top line enthusiast motherboards, 500 to 1000 pieces made total, mid range boards...40 to 50k Pieces made...
I have a feeling you guys are going to see less high end parts coming thru due to the recession.

Today's "top end enthusiast" technology is tomorrows main stream user technology, that's never going to change, so I don't see any reason why the top end market will disappear.

What I see changing is a reduction of choice resulting from a significant reduction in companies competing in the same market.

Developing, branding and marketing a new SSD drive every month doesn't seem like a viable business plan. The Core and Intel's drives came out around the same time. The Core has plummeted in price in comparison to Intel's SSD's and has been superseded by numerous models making it an outdated product, whilst the Intel SSD's are still using the same technology, but are increasing capacity and are still the best performing SSD drive for the money.

On Scan the 120GB Vertex costs £3.06 per GB the 160GB Intel X25-M costs £3.80. A huge difference in price in comparison to HHD, but insignificant in relation to the cost of SSD when you consider depreciation values based on performance increases over time, not to mention the huge scope Intel have to drop their price based on the longer recovery period they have had to reduce their investment costs.

In short it's hard to see how OCZ are ever going to compete with SSD long term in today's market conditions and whilst there is likely to be less choice I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing as I can see a gain through a better balance of technological advancement that reduces costs on all sides.

That's not a personal attack it's just a subjective analysis of the facts.

[Halk]

Hmm, I'd agree with you loosely. However the "top end" products don't end up directly as mainstream. They get cut down a little, a few expensive features get dropped etc. For Vertex though I think it will eventually end up as a mainstream product. It's not a motherboard with quad SLI, or a graphics card that needs a coal furnace to power. It's an SSD with a good controller and cache.

I can't understand OCZ coming out with quite so many product lines on SSD. I can't see that continuing though. We're approaching the limits of what SATA can do, and cache only does so much good. Controller optimisation and waiting for the next controller (SATA 6GB or PCIe) is next. I expect the Summit is likely to be the last thing they bring to current controllers. I don't understand why they have both Solid and Core though, and why they have Vertex, Apex and Summit. But maybe they intend to drop Apex when Summit comes around, and maybe they intend to drop either Solid or Core when stock levels are depleted.

OCZ may be tiny fish compared to Chipzilla, but it's not just OCZ that are behind the products. It's the consortium behind their new controller Indilinx, and Samsung as well as OCZ. OCZ have the whole of the market to choose from when they put their specifications together, as far as I'm aware they don't even assemble them in house. When that's taken into consideration things look a bit better for OCZ. There's rather large advantages to outsourcing, if a product doesn't turn up like it should then you can dump the supplier, if a product suddenly becomes out of date the supplier gets dumped too. Personally all I care about is the drives I have on order. After that it's just a general hope that competition continues. I suspect in the same way that people hope AMD stay afloat to ensure Intel keep being pushed forward with CPUs. Competition is good for us consumers.

[Ao1]

OCZ may be tiny fish compared to Chipzilla, but it's not just OCZ that are behind the products. It's the consortium behind their new controller Indilinx, and Samsung as well as OCZ. OCZ have the whole of the market to choose from when they put their specifications together, as far as I'm aware they don't even assemble them in house. When that's taken into consideration things look a bit better for OCZ. There's rather large advantages to outsourcing, if a product doesn't turn up like it should then you can dump the supplier, if a product suddenly becomes out of date the supplier gets dumped too. Personally all I care about is the drives I have on order. After that it's just a general hope that competition continues. I suspect in the same way that people hope AMD stay afloat to ensure Intel keep being pushed forward with CPUs. Competition is good for us consumers.

I agree that there are potentially huge benefits to essentially rebranding someone else's technology and investment, but it's high risk in today's market.

Look at how methodically Intel developed and planned a roadmap for their SSD drives. That is serious investment that I can't see a fragmented supply chain competing with anymore.

Also none of OCZ essentially rebranded drives have been on exclusivity deals as competitors have sold near identical units. Most likely the only difference is what one company specifies as controller trades off in performance to another's, in other words there is no significant differentiator between company A or B for essentially the same product.

OZC jumped on the Core and rushed it out with great claims without appreciating how they were going to perform. For the price/ performance ratio of the Core it was never going to be a viable alternative to a HDD. They had no choice but to essentially ditch the Core in an attempt to rebrand themselves with a better performing product, which must have been costly.

Don't get me wrong I hope the Vertex is a success and works well but the bottom line is that if it does it's not going to be much, if any cheaper than an Intel SSD and that is what it is going to be compared with.

One final thing I guess is that when SDD eventually goes mainstream who will Dell/ etc go to for their SDD. Intel or OCZ? Why would Dell, or anyone else, use OCZ when they could cut them out and go straight to whoever OCZ may be using at a particular time?