OCZ FANS please read

[ryanpgroovy]

Just a notice , in case you all missed my last reply about this ,

There are some OCZ products using reprocessed samsung chips right now

heres a link with more information , thats meant to be internal only , if anyone cares at all

The reason I am posting this is Mushkin have been going around raising a stink that were using using samsung chips for certain products , and while I confirmed that to all my close buddies here at Xtreme , long before mushkin started raising a mess about it. I still want to make it clear

YES . OCZ is using samsung chips on some of our products




heres the link boys
.com/displaypage.php?name=Thermal%20modification%20of%2 0standard%20DDR%20DRAM%20TSOP%20packages

http://www.ocztechnology.com/display... TSOP packages


BTW if you see some one flipping out somewhere else , do me the great favor of showing them this post . I really get tired of spending my whole day chasing around other companys who have nothing better to do but start BS conterversy about OCZ

Its odd that about the time we are going to release PC-4200 a another company starts bashing us

[Major]

Ryan check out my poll on memory !! OCZ is way ahead !

As I've already said, what difference does it make what chips are used. All I care about is performance/price !

[ryanpgroovy]

oi

I am just angry that people are causing crap about it . I guess they would rather spend time bashing us than developing a better product

[Major]

There are only a handfull of companies with the capability to fab memory waffers anyway, Besides Samsung who else actually makes their own chips ?

Certainly not Corsair or Kingston ! Mushkin.....NO WAY !!!

[charlie]

Oh boy...
another OCZ controversy (ducks head)
Those lost circuits guys are bound to stir up something with their comments about the beltsander and such...
Tell us it ain't so, Ryan. Sammy pc2700 remarked and packaged as PC3700 Gold????
C

[saaya]

does the link work for you? i just get linked to some new ocz hsf

[saaya]

Oh boy...
another OCZ controversy (ducks head)
Those lost circuits guys are bound to stir up something with their comments about the beltsander and such...
Tell us it ain't so, Ryan. Sammy pc2700 remarked and packaged as PC3700 Gold????
C

who cares if it works at 3700+ speeds? i dont...

[WxChaser]

It's as much about the packaging on PCB and engineering as it is about the mem chips. I am with the others when I say I want to purchase memory that is going to perform as rated (or higher), with a company that stands behind it.

By the way my vote in the poll was OCZ too.

[ryanpgroovy]

Read the link I put in the above


, if you beleive anything about a beltsander you need to layoff the drugs

You all know that MS from lost circuits is a mushkin employee

yeah next thing you know CNN

" OCZ IS MAKING SAMSUNG CHIPS FASTER and selling them to the public"


come the hell off if , I mean honestly , does anyone get it at all here , we release PC4200 and all of a sudden Mushkin starts bashing OCZ , for using samsung chips , something we made a notice about in these verry forums a week ago

[charlie]

Hey,
I don't care...
As long as OCZ isn't advertising like "Manufactured with exclusive OCZ 4.0nS chips"...and they don't. OCZ has done a good job at not getting caught with their pant's down by making well phrased statements and descriptions about their raw materials (wafers) SO I don't care. But there's lot's of people out there that WILL care...
You know...
C

[j0j0]

i want only know what kind of chip have my OCZ el pc3500?

[Alexandrus]

Ryan, tech me your magic, I have some PQI PC2100 RAM and I would like to turn it into OCZ Gold PC4000, what is the magic formula that I should say ? Abraca...OCZ ? Hocus focus of the RAM, not the chips it uses, that's my opinion.

[WxChaser]

Don't let the counter "spin" from rival companies get you down Ryan. The companies that have to stoop that low are ones you need to carefully consider before ever buying their products.

I've tested OCZ sticks in the past and have had great luck compared to Corsair XMS3500c2, TwinMos PC3200/PC3700, etc, so personally I really like what the company is doing.

The way I see it is that since Ryan is their marketing guru, he passes on the goods when he knows to the enthusiast community and doesn't bull§§§§ us at all. He just helps out the overclocking horde by letting us know what's up (I sure appreciate it).

OCZ is not the only company using the Samsung chips...as said in this thread earlier not that many wafer prefabs out there (though more coming on line in the next 24-36 months).

[Master Chief]

Originally posted by j0j0
i want only know what kind of chip have my OCZ el pc3500?

Hynix Pc133


lol...
JK, Ryan.
I agree with Slaughter, I don't care if DDR mfg. cover kitty turds with solid unobtainium heat spreaders...i will buy what is FASTEST on MY rig...

the MASTER CHIEF
MC

[ryanpgroovy]

for those who cant link please read this carefully

INTERNAL USE ONLY : ENGINEERING DEPT -TW-CA

Thermal modification of standard DDR DRAM TSOP packages , for increased thermal dissipation and speed reclassification.

Note #1 : Reference EL DDR packing specification is linked at /spec/elddr.html



Purpose :Increase speed of ( SEC packaged ) TSOP , through using EL DDR packaging theory. To fill product shortage during die revision change

EL DDR Packaging : by decreasing the thickness of encapsulate (low thermal transfer rate ) we are able to effectively increase heat dissipation in DRAM and thereby increase the effective speed of each IC . Using a third party fabrication and packaging plant this theory has been proven and the (B) die revision OCZ EL DDR die had great success. Average maximum speed increase during stage 2 testing has been verified over 23 MHz.

Proposition: While dies fabricated by 3rd parties for OCZ in 3rd party packaging have proven successful to this point . We feel that to insure our success we should supplement by speed binning large quantities of 3rd party IC's and by physically modifying the package decreased thermal resistance and re-speed grade the ICs using the standard Advantest ATE.

Licensing and Disclosure : We have negotiated an agreement with Samsung Semi to allow us to physical modify SAMSUNG brand ICs . Samsung Semi will provide us with pre-graded 466Mhz and 500Mhz ICs for modification. In Exchange we are to provide SEC with the complete EL DDR guideline . See Ryan Petersen for License agreement details.

Industry Disclosure: See Ryan Petersen

Process Engineering : See Mark Meir

Process Overview :

Samsung semi will provide die location information , we will be using the DP-7 CO 2 laser to remove the surface material from the package face only average laser cut depth is 7mill . After surface removal the package should be sent to ISE for environmental test and then re-speed graded after speed grade and classification chips will be marked ( standard process) and standard process thereafter

Heat Dissipation Data : Mark Meir

Pilot Test Result:

Due to the lack of yield from PCS on our C rev (gold series) 16x8 IC we will be supplementing gold series with the SEC products . The SEC product has significantly higher performance ( exceeding DDR 533 in certain cases ) and we should immediately move towards this solution during the interim : PCS and UMC D die test results are giving 95% preliminary yield above DDR 500 speed



6/3/03 NOTICE : THIS IS A LIMITED LIFESPAN PROCEDURE .

6//28/03 NOTICE : PCS and UMC have increased yields and D revision of the OCZ die is expected in the first week of July

7/03/03 NOTICE : ALL MODIFIED SAMSUNG TSOP ARE CURRENTLY BEING ALLOCATED TO PREMIER SERIES

* - note from mark , looks like some happy campers will be hitting DDR 533 plus with there premier series . Corsair will never know what hit them , there using the SEC TSOP , but with no thermal modification for there XMS 3700 we should be 30Mhz over there speed , and at CL 2.5. In addition I pretty sure there buying ICs off the open market , I am under the impression from speaking with ryan that SEC speed graded these to 500 3-4-4 before we even touched them . Another reason for us to give the customer more than what they pay for.

* note from Roy , wahooooooooooooo

Note from Ryan : Your engineering prowess has saved us once again. I am glad for one that through a time of low yields we were able to hold it together and even improve the quality of our bargain products . KUDOS

[Major]

Thanks for sharing that with us ! I hope you don't end up loosing your job because you did ! lol

I understand it all Ryan except for the term KUDOS ? is that an engineering term or what ?

[WxChaser]

That takes information sharing to a whole new level, Ryan.

Thanks.

[WxChaser]

Main Entry: ku·do
Pronunciation: 'kü-(")dO, 'kyü-
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural kudos /-(")dOz/
Etymology: back-formation from kudos (taken as a plural)
Date: 1926
1 : AWARD, HONOR <a score of honorary degrees and... other kudos -- Time>
2 : COMPLIMENT, PRAISE <to all three should go some kind of special kudo for refusing to succumb -- Al Hine>
usage Some commentators hold that since kudos is a singular word it cannot be used as a plural and that the word kudo is impossible. But kudo does exist; it is simply one of the most recent words created by back-formation from another word misunderstood as a plural. Kudos was introduced into English in the 19th century; it was used in contexts where a reader unfamiliar with Greek could not be sure whether it was singular or plural. By the 1920s it began to appear as a plural, and about 25 years later kudo began to appear. It may have begun as a misunderstanding, but then so did cherry and pea.

[Major]

LMAO ! Thanks for clearing that up for me (and others too I'm sure ) WxChaser !

[charlie]

Who's gonna' fire him...himself?
C

[DoGMaN]

I don't care what chips they use either. My OCZ Gold is doing 510 Mhz 2.5-7-3-3 @ 2.7v and I can do 480 2-7-3-3. Even if they figured out a way to make pc133 SDRAM run at 500Mhz DDR I wouldn't care. As long as it works.

Go Ryan!

P.S. Note to self buy up some premier OCZ DDR

[WxChaser]

Major Slaughter - LMAO ! Thanks for clearing that up for me (and others too I'm sure ) WxChaser !

No problem man. I use the word all the time, at work we always say "Kudos to you!" as a joke of types. It's a cool word and in Ryan's case well applied. He's a good dude as marketing types go

[Spawn]

lol well maybe this is why i cant do 500mhz at the 1:1 divider or fsbs above 280 at 3:2 or 5:4 dividers...perhaps i got some dodgy ram chips...if it is then it explains alot....

[charlie]

It's ok, just PM Ryan....I'm sure he'll hook you up with some better ones from the "good" bag.
C

[Spawn]

think i might just have to do that charlie....perhaps he can give me the pc 4200 or 4000 sticks instead....

so ryan wots the chances of me getting some sticks that will over 280 fsb on 5:4 and 3:2 dividers on my mobo???...