Match II - pros and cons

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 04:40 AM

I might have the possibility to buy a used Mach II std.
So I have to ask if it worth or I should try to get a LS instead?

Mach II pro and cons?

Thanks

**placebo** · 11-20-2005, 05:36 AM

MachIIGT:
Pros:
Quieter and colder than LS
Cons:

ty controller & lame mounting system

**placebo** · 11-20-2005, 05:37 AM

What, I cant even say

ty without bananas showing up?! LOL

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 06:07 AM

placebo: Thanks

It's a Mach II std.
Do you mean the chillcontroller's

Is it difficult to mount on CPU or what exactly do you mean?

**kmhtkmhtkmht** · 11-20-2005, 07:29 AM

man, it's Mach 2. not Match. the only match here is the match of the day...

**craig588** · 11-20-2005, 07:34 AM

The plain M2 just uses R134a. Get a M1. The price difference is a few hundred dollars for no difference in performance.

Once you're in the M2 price range though I belive a Chilly1 unit would make more sense though.

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 07:44 AM

Mach II - my mistake.
I know very little about compressor cooling.

craig 588: I know a person, who can change gas to R404a for me and the Mach II is used for bout 3 years.

**Master_G** · 11-20-2005, 08:36 AM

The LS would be better than the Mach II, but if you get a GT they ae pretty even, a regassed unit would be best of all probably.

G

**SustaiN** · 11-20-2005, 08:44 AM

pros: pretty silent
cons: mounting system (the worst ever seen)

I would definitely go for a vapochill LS instead - much better performance and it has one of the best mounting systems you can get. otherwise I would PM chilly1 and see what he could do

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by SustaiN

pros: pretty silent
cons: mounting system (the worst ever seen)

I would definitely go for a vapochill LS instead - much better performance and it has one of the best mounting systems you can get. otherwise I would PM chilly1 and see what he could do

Yeah, I saw the Mach II pdf manual. Not the most elegant solution IMO. The sealstring leave a mess on the motherboard when changing CPU, no?
Any link to mounting the CPU on a LS?

#all :Where to buy Vapochill LS in EU - for a good price?

**placebo** · 11-20-2005, 09:51 AM

Tbh, I really feel that the main idea of the sealstring is a good one. It does create a hermetic seal and really makes it impossible for any moisture to reach the cold spots.

The only downside I can see with it is that you end up playing with it, for hours, days and weeks on end.......... lol

Oh and no, it don't leave any residue on your motherboard - Sealstring always attaches to sealstring... you'll know what I mean when you hold some in your hands... hehe

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 10:18 AM

placebo: Thanks

As said before I can buy a Mach II used, but the PC have be turned on manually after the Mach II. Something's wrong with it? But what could it be?

**Master_G** · 11-20-2005, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by Monge

Yeah, I saw the Mach II pdf manual. Not the most elegant solution IMO. The sealstring leave a mess on the motherboard when changing CPU, no?
Any link to mounting the CPU on a LS?

#all :Where to buy Vapochill LS in EU - for a good price?

Go to the vapochill homepage, they have the manual for the LS and a list of EU resellers.

G

**PkG.1337** · 11-20-2005, 02:02 PM

Slience and Performance, isnt that what we all want?

**placebo** · 11-20-2005, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by Monge

placebo: Thanks

As said before I can buy a Mach II used, but the PC have be turned on manually after the Mach II. Something's wrong with it? But what could it be?

Two options....

a) Cable missing (pretty unlikely)
b) Their 'fantastic' *cough* controller is shagged (highly likely)

All in all, maybe not too bad of an issue overall. Controller could be replaced with that golden frosties thingy...

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 03:16 PM

Master_G: Thanks

placebo: b) Their 'fantastic' *cough* controller is shagged (highly likely)
Controller could be replaced with that golden frosties thingy...

golden frosties thingy: I don't get it? You mean it could be replaced?

**Gray Mole** · 11-20-2005, 03:21 PM

He means the 'Golden Froster' lol

Look in the stickies, it should be there, and you can PM either Golden Eagle or Ssilencer for price and all that.

They do different controllers that aren't too bad to wire on if you need it to work to boot the PC and all that for you. How much depends on how good you want it to be.

Personally I don't mind booting myself, don't really care if the display is accurate either, as long as it's modded to something colder, and will oc the heck out of whatever it's cooling

You could always risk it, and try reflashing the controller when you've got it, that cures the problem a lot of the time.

If it's really cheap you could buy it, at the very least it's the best platform to get modded up.

Gray

**Monge** · 11-20-2005, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by Gray Mole

He means the 'Golden Froster' lol

Look in the stickies, it should be there, and you can PM either Golden Eagle or Ssilencer for price and all that.

They do different controllers that aren't too bad to wire on if you need it to work to boot the PC and all that for you. How much depends on how good you want it to be.

Personally I don't mind booting myself, don't really care if the display is accurate either, as long as it's modded to something colder, and will oc the heck out of whatever it's cooling

You could always risk it, and try reflashing the controller when you've got it, that cures the problem a lot of the time.

If it's really cheap you could buy it, at the very least it's the best platform to get modded up.

Gray

Gray: Thanks for the help

**jinu117** · 11-21-2005, 01:51 AM

Unlike some people mentioned here, I prefer mach over vapo LS. (yes I've used both and some more)
#1. Better compressor on mach II. If you ever want to modify it, it is just much better starting ground with no need for compressor swapping really.
#2. Controller seems to be more stable. I myself had vapo controller that just wouldn't connect to PC. It happens to be known issue unfortunately and solution takes close to month or two if you are not in denmark as you will have to RMA. Temp reading on both of them are out of whack but it does it's basic functions just fine. Display somewhat relative temp, shut down, turn on, control fanspeed, etc.
#3. It's fault is the suction line that isn't really durable and evaporator design and mounting inefficiency. Vapo wins in this account but custom phase change with good evap and new suction line will save you much headache. There are some really good suction line that just is nearly impossible to break under normal wear and tear. I've passed brazed suction line to my kids and it still is just fine. (If you guys ever grew kids, you will be amazed at what they can break)
Also, there are few evaporators out there that are just much much better in many respect.
Vapochill LS unfortunately is extremely well tuned for the component utilized in system and retuning won't get you much more until compressor is swapped out (at which point... might as well get custom units)

The only thing I really like about vapochill is it's mounting kit... very very good mounting system.

**Monge** · 11-21-2005, 02:12 AM

jinu117: Thanks for your reply

So if I buy a used Mach II, get R404a gas on it and get the chillcontroller fixed or replaced (maybe a Golden Froster) I'll be fine for a start, no.
The Mach II is gonna be used with a Opteron 146 CABYE 0540 FPBW/ DFI NF4 and some BH-5 or UTT.
Maybe that's a bad combination. Cold bug?

Edit: I got new info.
The seller says:
That in his mach II all the diode's light on the back at once.
Every time his trying to connect the USB cabel to the motherboard his PC freeze. If he takes it out again it's going OK and cool down well.

**Gray Mole** · 11-21-2005, 03:27 AM

You could either get it regassed to 404 or 507 with no problems depending where you live. There's usually someone around that can do it.

I don't know how easy it is to get a replacement controller for the mach's, Asetek makes it easy for the Vapo's, but you could email ECT about the controller.

Otherwise, I'm pretty sure the Frosters aren't too expensive for the basic version, but need to PM about that, or ask in the thread for pricing and they'll pm you.

Just means wiring it in, and attaching a new probe to the head, or at least as far up the neck as you could get it.

Cheers

Gray

**Monge** · 11-21-2005, 03:57 AM

Gray: Thanks a lot

I know a guy, who can do the regassing for me, no problem.

But I do believe the sellers chillcontroller is screwed up. All the diode's light on the back at once and every time his trying to connect the USB cabel to the motherboard his PC freeze.

I'll try to find some pricing for chillcontrollers.

**Monge** · 11-21-2005, 10:37 AM

Just a last Question:
What's the difference between Mach II std. and GT.
Windows software don't work with std or?

**jinu117** · 11-21-2005, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by Monge

Just a last Question:
What's the difference between Mach II std. and GT.
Windows software don't work with std or?

Only difference is charge and type of gas and firmware on controller for fan speed once it gets to temperature. Since you do plan to modify it anyway and I see no value for connecting the mach units to usb header other than for fancy lcd message, or turning the fan up for full speed which do get tad noisey (in case of early mach's they used 100cfm sunon which they replaced with 80cfm Panaflo M1A) either of them are same thing for you.
While doing modification, I suggest grabbing retuning with nicer evap if you got that in budget and new suction line for trouble free operation.

**Monge** · 11-21-2005, 03:03 PM

jinu117: Thanks a lot

I'll take your advise in consideration.

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