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    Petra's Mini Heatsink Roundup (TRUE, IFX-14, Orochi, Ninja, and Cu Ninja)

    Hey everyone, I figured that since nobody really reads my blog (then again, it is kinda new) I'd also post this here... Enjoy!

    --Begin Article--

    Hey everybody! As I've mentioned in our forums, I've been working on getting my CPU waterblock testbed together and have to decided to toss some air coolers onto it for evaluation. On the bench this time around is the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme, IFX-14, the Scythe Orochi, Copper Ninja, and old Ninja. The results of all of this time spent testing are somewhat surprising... read on for more!


    Rather than bore you with a bunch of introductory garbage and photos talking about colorful packaging and poorly written instructions, I think that I'll just jump right into things.


    Testing Methodology and Information:

    I'm using a modified E6400 as a heat source (basically, I've had the IHS milled according to Intel's TTV specifications and embedded a very tiny T-type thermocouple into the IHS). The thermocouple that's embedded in the CPU's IHS provides me with what Intel defines as a Tcase temperature (which is the temperature of the geometric center of the IHS, a certain distance below the surface). Now, this temperature is always lower than the measured "die temperature" (partially because it's not taking into account the temperature rise incurred by the TIM joint between the die and inside of the IHS) but I'm able to calibrate the thermocouple with all of my other probes. I like this approach because it doesn't feel like I'm flying blind--all data is coming from known, calibrated probes that all behave in the same, predictable manner and can be logged by the same measuring device. Plus, I've had issues with temperature deltas obtained with TAT being adversely affected by ambient temperature...which isn't something that should happen and, when it does, it wreaks havoc on repeatability and accuracy (I've mentioned this on XS before and will be looking into the matter further before moving on to waterblock evaluation).

    In addition to the Franken-E6400, an Omega T-type thermocouple (that nice, long probe that can be seen in the photo below) is being used to measure what I'll refer to as the 'air inlet' temperature. This probe is positioned one inch from the center of the fan's hub (or hestsink surface, in the case of the IFX-14), on the inlet side for all tests. Both the air inlet probe and "TTV" probe are connected to an Extech EA15 data logging thermometer, which is configured to simultaneously record data from each probe and calculate the temperature difference between the probes (deltaT) every two seconds. Each heatsink was mounted three times and tested with two fans (the Scythe S-Flex SFF21D and SFF21F, rated at 33.5 CFM (8.7 dBA) and 63.7 CFM (28 dBA) respectively). The Scythe S-Flex "D" and "F" fans were chosen due to their fantastic noise to airflow ratio, minimal bearing noise, and long MTBF rating.


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    With the CPU set to 1.55V in BIOS (1.504V after droop, at load) and running at 2133MHz, each heatsink was allowed a 30 minute warm-up period (using Intel's TAT to load the CPU) before I began the 15 minute data collection runs (the first five minutes of which being removed before averaging data). The heatsinks were allowed to cool between trials and the fan mounted to the heatsink was kept at 12.00V throughout testing with the use of our trusty HP 6264B variable DC PSU. As a result of all of this, each of the bars on the results graph below represents the mean of 900 points of data spread across three trials (three mounts).

    While this test setup is adequate, it's far from perfect. Some of the unknowns/variables include the following:

    - Airflow: The fans, while kept at 12.00V, are not providing the same amount of airflow through each heatsink tested (for those who don't know, the volumetric airflow output of a cooling fan, just like a water pump, is dependent upon the pressure at which the fan operates and each heatsink, like a waterblock, will incur a different operating pressure). To actually get the same volume of air through a heatsink during a given test, like I would do with water through a waterblock, I'd need to construct some sort of chamber around the heatsink which would allow me to measure airflow (when combined with the proper equipment) and make adjustments by altering fan voltage.

    - Mounting hardware and the pressure applied by said hardware: Unlike waterblocks, for which it's rather easy to put together a uniform mounting system, air coolers are very difficult to work with when it comes to controlling mounting load and making sure that the load is equal across all heatsinks tested--much of this comes from how radically different the basic mounting hardware design can be from unit to unit. As such, I had to test each heatsink with whatever mounting hardware the manufacturer included...and it definitely appeared like Thermalright took the cake as far as applied mounting load is concerned.

    - Heat applied to the device under test (DUT): While it isn't terribly important from a comparative standpoint (since approximately the same amount of heat should have been produced by the CPU during each trial), I don't actually know how much heat was being applied to each heatsink during testing, especially if you take secondary losses into account. Based on some research that Swiftech did a while back, I'd guesstimate the heat applied to the DUT during each trial to be around 62W (69W less 10% to account for secondary losses, with the percentage being little more than a guess). For waterblock testing, I should be able to bring the system up to somewhere around 100W but I found the settings to be poorly suited to heatsink testing due to system instability. Granted, all of this doesn't take into account potential thermal output differences between the Conroe and Allendale cores, despite them having the same Intel-rated TDP... and I'm assuming that Swiftech got things right ;-)

    - General mount variation and differences in TIM application: An issue with all heatsink/waterblock testing, carefully mounting each unit three times and averaging the data from each test should help to provide a somewhat accurate depiction of performance despite these variables. It also helps that I've gotten quite good at applying ArcticSilver's Ceramique TIM in layers so thin that they're semi-translucent and very similar in quantity and distribution each time--repeatability is more important than TIM performance, for those of you who would question the use of Ceramique on the grounds of it not being the best performing.


    Testing Results, Analysis, and Commentary:

    Well, I said that I wouldn't bore you with introductory stuff... instead, I went for technical junk :P

    At this point, I think that I'll grant you a reprieve and present unto you a pretty bar graph:


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    Now, as you can see above, the Thermalright IFX-14 is the clear performance leader, with the old Ninja trailing a lot farther behind than I would have hoped. It's pretty safe to assume that the performance rankings would be about the same if a higher heat load were to be applied, with the performance gap between the coolers increasing proportionally. If all of this deltaT stuff is confusing you and you find yourself banging your head on a table pleading for "real numbers" from TAT, then just add your current room temperature to the above temperature delta and tack on about ten degrees to the total. The fun does not end there, though! I still have to rant about what's wrong with all of these coolers (aside from them being air coolers).

    The Old Scythe Ninja (Rev. B street price: ~$37): When it was released, it was a pretty spiffy heatsink... however, time has marched on and heatsink design progressed. I have to say that I'm rather disappointed, especially considering that something as simple as increasing the mounting pressure/quality (take a hint from Thermalright) and spacing the heatpipes out (like was done to the Ninja Mini and Copper Ninja) would likely yield a substantial performance boost. To clarify, I was using the older Scythe Ninja with the 4-clip mount and backplate rather than the "newer" version that employs those damn stupid plastic push-pins (identical to the stock Intel cooler). Seriously, there are few better ways to molest a motherboard than to use plastic push-pins to attach a large cooler. They have no place on a performance-oriented product--make them disappear. Plastic push-pin mounts are the reason that I did not test the Infinity/Mugen, despite it being an otherwise fine cooler. Anyway, overall, the Scythe Ninja isn't that bad of a cooler when you take into consideration its <$40 price tag.

    Scythe Copper Ninja (street price: ~$65): The Copper Ninja did a fine job of keeping up with the rest of the pack and, as I pointed out above, I attribute much of the performance gain over the old Ninja to the spaced heatpipes--all that copper does look cool, though. I don't really have any complaints about the cooler that I haven't already gone over, aside from the typical Scythe backplate-o-doom. Tip: do NOT remove the protective backing from the adhesive side of a Scythe backplate before use. If you do, then you will likely never be able to remove the backplate from your motherboard without causing damage.

    Scythe Orochi (street price: ~$65-$80): With 'Orochi', if I remember correctly, meaning 'serpent' in Japanese, I can't help but find myself wondering whether 'Anaconda' would have been more appropriate. Simply put, this heatsink is enormous--so large, I would have hoped it to be a good rival for the IFX-14. Alas, the Orochi, like the fat kid at your local middle school's track meet (you know the one I'm talking about), just could not keep up with Thermalright's flagship mess of fire extinguishing pointiness. The Orochi does have some redeeming qualities, though... it appears to be a fantastic passive/semi-passive cooler for those of you who aren't really overclocking. In a random fit of curiosity, I attempted to bring my test CPU up to its thermal shutdown point using the heatsink without a fan and the only way that I was able to succeed within a reasonable amount of time was to cover the whole heatsink in cardboard and aim a heat gun into my newly constructed cardboard shack. It probably would have overheated eventually without the help of my heat gun... but I didn't feel like waiting. An important thing to note, however, would be that this heatsink covers your RAM. While that may not be an issue for some, those of us who change our RAM out a lot or use abnormally large DIMMs (Corsair Dominators, anyone?) are up a creek without a paddle--the size of the cooler could also pose a problem in some computer cases (especially if you have long optical drives).


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    Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme (street price: ~$57): Clean, minimalist design, fantastic performance, and a price point to die for--this heatsink has it all. Granted, I should probably mention the bit about the mounting hardware dumping little metal flakes on my motherboard and the top fin breaking loose due to repeated installation and fan mounting. I really can't think of much more to say about this great, no-nonsense, performance heatsink.


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    Thermalright Inferno Fire Extinguisher [IFX] 14 (street price: ~$70): It may be the performance leader, but I have a few complaints... Aside from it being big, gaudy (I can't stand the flame-fin thing), and somewhat irritating to work with, it has some compatibility and possible QC issues. As shown in the photos below, the mounting hardware collided with my test board's northbridge heatsink and a capacitor near the CPU socket (tweaking both), the backplate could only be installed in an orientation that caused the backside cooler to extend beyond the board's I/O cluster (not only do you have to worry about case compatibility with that backside cooler, but motherboard layout as well), the unit visibly bows the motherboard when the backside cooler is installed, and the base of this heatsink is so far from flat that it was laughable (though, I think that it may have helped the performance a bit...my issue is with whether or not it was intentional).


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    The base of this heatsink is bad enough to where I can rock a razor blade across its surface... However, based on the TIM and contact distribution examples above, it appears that the deformity (high spot) ran right down the center of the heatsink's base and, coincidentally, right across the center of the CPU package. Now, I don't think that the deformity was intentional since no other reviews that I came across mentioned it, but it may have helped the overall performance of the unit similar to the gains that have been seen by bowing/stepping CPU waterblocks. It almost makes me want to have the shop lap the heatsink's base flat so that I can re-test it and see what sort of performance difference results... almost. Anyway, I suppose that the moral of the story is that you shouldn't use the IFX-14 with a Gigabyte 965P-DS3.


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    Conclusion:

    Everybody already knows this but I'm going to say it anyway... Of the performance heatsinks available, the Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme represents what is likely the best value for the money. Having both best performing heatsink and the best price:performance heatsink in their pocket, Thermalright can now go back to updating their HR-09 MOSFET cooler compatibility charts.

    Scythe, on the other hand, needs to decide what market segment they're trying to cater to. Looking at their heatsink offerings and the compromises that keep being made which, frankly, water down their more performance-oriented parts (e.g. mounting hardware), they seem to be straddling the fence with one leg dangling in the novelty cooler segment and the other desperately seeking the sweet solidity of terra firma in the performance cooler market segment. The result of this indecision being a few solid but somewhat identity-confused products and a few products, like the Kama Cross, which should have never been allowed to see the light of day. I must say, though, the build quality of their coolers is always fantastic and the standard deviation of the data collected for the Scythe heatsinks was lower and more consistent than that of the Thermalright heatsinks.

    --End Article--
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    I'd like to see more test of the
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    before we conclude the TRUE is the best value.
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    I saw your blog about this yesterday--anyways I would have loved if you could throw the Mugen/Infinity into the fray, but still I'm going to say good mini-roundup. I really do have to agree and hate on Scythe for the crappy mounting software they decided to throw in. I got my Infinity for $40 about 6-7 months back now, and I think it's a fine cooler for the price. I was actually looking at the Orochi--since my case has a gigantic side fan, on the magnitude of 36cm.

    BTW--when should we expect the waterblock roundup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobsama View Post
    BTW--when should we expect the waterblock roundup?
    Well, there are a few things that have to happen first...

    I have to fab. a wall-mount and switch panel for some additional Meanwell PSU stuffs (mostly because I don't want to have to use the HP 6264B to power the RD-30), I need a properly working motherboard again (s7e9h3n dropped off a modified P5K for me to play with (that I haven't had time to mess with yet) and I'm still waiting for XFX to ship a replacement 680i... the 965P-DS3 has been retired), I need to finalize and assemble the mounting setup for the new flowmeter (really tall thing in the photos), and then I need to re-plumb the water loop to remove those old analog gauges, replace the old flowmeter with the new one, and move my pressure drop read points right up to the CPU block's inlet/outlet barbs.... in other words, give me a little time (this mini-roundup was a good first step, though).
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    I love it

    What's the link to your blog? Wanna bookmark it.

    Would love to see what multi-fan configs can do on them too, but I know this was just a dress rehearsal for the testbed

    BTW, in the next few weeks you'll have someone "buy one of everything" from your fan department, that's me

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    i think this deserves a sticky

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    Why shouldn't you use the IFX-14 with a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 ? , I read the review so excuse me if it says why but somehow i've managed to miss it if it does.

    For those that don't overclock which would be quieter due to fin density the IFX-14 with a 500rpm 140mm fan or the Orochi with it's stock 140mm 500rpm fan ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spawne32 View Post
    i think this deserves a sticky
    +1 .. definately sticky worthy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vapor View Post
    I love it

    What's the link to your blog? Wanna bookmark it.

    Would love to see what multi-fan configs can do on them too, but I know this was just a dress rehearsal for the testbed

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    Anyways--you're keeping the E6400, right? When I read about your methods and the temperature sensor you have bored in it--I have to say I've not seen anything like that in any other review!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digz View Post
    Why shouldn't you use the IFX-14 with a Gigabyte 965P-DS3 ?
    Because of the compatibility issues that I encountered, I just wouldn't recommend it (you still can, of course). Basically, the mounting hardware presses up against one of the board's capacitors and bends it as well as pushing up against the stock northbridge heatsink. In addition, due to the way in which you're forced to install the backplate (it only clears leads in once direction), you can't use the backside cooler if you're going to be putting the board inside of a case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobsama
    Anyways--you're keeping the E6400, right?
    Of course! There's no way that I'm getting rid of that little gem (unless, of course, I can convince the guys at the shop to mill a Q6600 for me ).

    Here's a photo of it before I installed the thermocouple:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra View Post
    Because of the compatibility issues that I encountered, I just wouldn't recommend it (you still can, of course). Basically, the mounting hardware presses up against one of the board's capacitors and bends it as well as pushing up against the stock northbridge heatsink. In addition, due to the way in which you're forced to install the backplate (it only clears leads in once direction), you can't use the backside cooler if you're going to be putting the board inside of a case.


    Of course! There's no way that I'm getting rid of that little gem (unless, of course, I can convince the guys at the shop to mill a Q6600 for me ).

    Here's a photo of it before I installed the thermocouple:
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    Now THAT is nice. I'm guessing it doesn't significantly change heat transfer. Simply put--I'd love to do the same thing as that on my E2140 to see an actual and accurate temperature.

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    If I get a chance this week, I'd like to get that P5K that s7e9h3n so kindly lent to me all dialed in... just have to figure out the mods without blowing anything up (and, of course, verify that data is properly repeatable with this configuration). Assuming that everything looks good, I wouldn't mind adding a cooler or two to the mix--suggestions?

    I'm tempted to automatically fail any product (especially large coolers) mounting with those plastic Intel-style push pins, though.
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    @ Petra

    Thanks for explaining it makes sense now when i read it about the Gigabyte 965P-DS3 , I managed to miss it being tired.

    For those that don't overclock which would be quieter due to fin density the IFX-14 with a 500rpm 140mm fan or the Orochi with it's stock 140mm 500rpm fan ?

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    is there any chance of a larger load like a quad or some 3.6ghz action with the next tests if there are any

    there was an e6400 with stock speed and 1.55V right (just checking)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digz View Post
    For those that don't overclock which would be quieter due to fin density the IFX-14 with a 500rpm 140mm fan or the Orochi with it's stock 140mm 500rpm fan ?
    Unfortunately, the ambient noise level in the warehouse is generally too high and inconsistent for me to really be able to determine that. I could set them up and make a subjective guess by ear, but my decibel meter is pretty much useless at the warehouse (even if the warehouse were a good environment, I'd still be stuck with near-field measurements).

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    is there any chance of a larger load like a quad or some 3.6ghz action with the next tests if there are any
    Considering that I have to tune the heat load to match the worst performing part that I'm testing, air coolers will not see a higher heat load than what I'm currently working with. Part of this is because if I decided to change the heat load, I would have to re-do all of the testing that went into the above article and part is just because things were getting nice and toasty with the Ninja as is. Since I can't change CPUs (unless I want to try to have another milled), I'll be running the CPU at 3.6GHz (tuned for ~1.504V after droop at load) for waterblock testing. This should bump the thermal output to around 100W which will help improve accuracy by increasing the performance difference between blocks (an important thing due to the differences, generally speaking, being far smaller than those for air coolers).

    As I stated in the article, increasing the heat load should only increase the performance difference between coolers (i.e. the gaps will increase proportionally)... barring deviation due to design limitations, of course.
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    Ok no probs thanks anyhows .

    I like the Orochi but the northbridge cooling is a concern as i have a DS3P and if it's anything like the DS3 then they run hot.

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    bookmarked! nice job Petra!

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    Great work as always, Petra.

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    Very nice. When it comes down to it though, it's all air cooling, isn't it?

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    Thanks for the comparison Petra!

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    Petra? Doing an aircooling round up?

    *rubs eyes*

    Can't be...

    Well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra View Post

    I'm tempted to automatically fail any product (especially large coolers) mounting with those plastic Intel-style push pins, though.


    I hate those things too, every time i see them on those heat pipes or a heat sink, i take it off, re-TIM it and thne add screws to get better/even/tighter pressure on whatever they are holding down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Petra View Post
    I'm tempted to automatically fail any product (especially large coolers) mounting with those plastic Intel-style push pins, though.
    any cooler with the plastic intel mounts, can be bolted down easily. use the backplate and bolts (loose the top plate) from the thermalright kit.

    http://www.petrastechshop.com/thlgbo.html

    it fits perfectly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [XC] itznfb View Post
    any cooler with the plastic intel mounts, can be bolted down easily. use the backplate and bolts (loose the top plate) from the thermalright kit.

    http://www.petrastechshop.com/thlgbo.html

    it fits perfectly.
    thats not entirely true, some of the aftermarket heatsinks, while still using plastic mounts, are entirely incompatible with the bolt thru kit because of the shape of the heatsink above the mounting holes, or because of the design of the plate that holds the pins.

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