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    K10 demo machine in Akiba

    As PC Watch reported yesterday, one PC shop "USER SIDE" in Akiba has started
    K10 demo with Tyan n3600M + Opteron 2347 x2.
    http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/akiba...elonademo.html

    Today, I have a chance to touch the demo machine.
    It's configured as virtual machine with VMWare, hosted by Linux.
    Here is a preliminary test result on virtualized WinXP.



    very sloooow SuperPI time!?...
    ...yeah, it's nearly same as K8 by clock for clock, it looks.

    I'll try SuperPI again on pure Server2003 in next time,
    but I won't get any drastic improvement, I expect.
    Also I may have a chance to try 3DMark...anyway, interesting

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    damn that sucks. All we can hope is that these things overclock like a scolded dog (no cold bug would be sick!)

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    overclocking won't be enough if those numbers are true which i hope not
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    This one is of the B1 revision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyosen View Post


    very sloooow SuperPI time!?...
    ...yeah, it's nearly same as K8 by clock for clock, it looks.

    I'll try SuperPI again on pure Server2003 in next time,
    but I won't get any drastic improvement, I expect.
    Also I may have a chance to try 3DMark...anyway, interesting
    Is that Super Pi running in VMware? if so, what kind of performance degradation would it cause?

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    We all know that K10 isn't as good as intel in superpi. No surprise here. But superpi is not a good indicator of overall performance and I don't give a flying crap about it much really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SparkyJJO View Post
    We all know that K10 isn't as good as intel in superpi. No surprise here. But superpi is not a good indicator of overall performance and I don't give a flying crap about it much really.
    I like it as an overclocking Benchmark. It gives you a nice indication of how much better your fine tuning is going to get that last 0.01% increase from your CPU.

    It also gives a decent indication of how much better the same platform increases with newer revisions of the same core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motiv View Post
    I like it as an overclocking Benchmark. It gives you a nice indication of how much better your fine tuning is going to get that last 0.01% increase from your CPU.

    It also gives a decent indication of how much better the same platform increases with newer revisions of the same core.
    This is true.

    IIRC, intel CPUs have tended to be faster at superpi anyway haven't they?
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    A machine that is running a virtualized OS on VMWare will always be a pig...

    Still waiting on a solid benchmark with a freshly installed physical OS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SparkyJJO View Post
    This is true.

    IIRC, intel CPUs have tended to be faster at superpi anyway haven't they?
    Netburst was worse than K8, but Dothan was better. The C2Ds are disproportionately better than K8 of course compared to real world applications.
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    Superpi IS L2 cache benchmark.

    give the barca 4MB L2 cache and see the enormous pi boost...

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    Not impressed with the results, and i dont think the overclocking will fly off the chart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeardyMan View Post
    Superpi IS L2 cache benchmark.

    give the barca 4MB L2 cache and see the enormous pi boost...
    So we should wait for Barkie to get a 4MB L3? Or do you mean L2?
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    there yo go bringing intel into a amd thread again lol, if that was someone droping a dig at amd you would be crying like a girl.
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    Run 3DMark05 instead

    SuperPi doesnt like AMD..

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    If you're running it in VMWare, then you can expect a drastic decrease in performance.

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    Something is wrong. That's the result I got on a 1700+@2100(11xFSB200). This can't be. It's way slower then any k8@2GHz.

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    Here is K8 at 1.9GHz, 190fsb, 512mb of DDR at 2-2-2-6. I'd say VMWare slows it down quite a bit.
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    I wish I had an AMD rig to test it, but I don't anymore . I do however, have Intel Core Duo (Yonah) @ 2 Ghz. Left screenshot is Parallels 3. Right is Vmware Fusion. Both 1M run.
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    LIKMARK> This one is of the B1 revision?
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    Yeah, I think so...at least, it shows "1" as stepping value.

    I had no experience of VMWare/virtulization at all till today,
    so I have no idea for degree of performance degradation...

    BTW I have no interest for such an argument whether SuperPI is
    suitable for Quad-core CPU performance evaluation or not...
    I do it just to fulfill my curiosity.
    Also I know supreme advantage of Intel Core2 for SuperPI, ENOUGH
    So go on topic, and stay tuned...

    Oh macci, thanks for giving your glance at my post!!!
    I also wonder how much 3DMark06's CPU score goes

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    Dam, I was hoping for much better PI time than that.
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    Thanks for sharing your info, Kyosen, looking forward to anything you have to show us.
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    Thanks for sharing Kyosen!

    Are you planning second trip to this shop? Can you run Cinebench 9.5 x64 on that system?
    Regarding SuperPi result it is low due to test platform. It is a server in the end with Reg. DDR2-667 and we aren't sure if NUMA is set properly, so in case it isn't performance decrease is huge...
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    nice results

    However I hear so much talk about K10/K8 being superior on virtualization to anything Intel can offer. so much talk, but no facts. we don't even know what the performance decrease of runing in a VM could be.. anyway it should be lower than with intel, it should...

    It would be great if someone could run a conroe w/ and w/o a VM and then compare the perf. decrease to get an idea. maybe someone that believes in AMD's superiority in virtualization like nn_step
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    VMWare/virtulization will definitely cause penalty speed, how much? I don't know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macci View Post
    Run 3DMark05 instead

    SuperPi doesnt like AMD..
    C'mon, we want to see 3DMark01

    Thanks for sharing Kyosen
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