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    Samsung 215TW vs 226CW vs HP w2207

    Before you begin, this is not a typical review, its my own expressed, hard to please opinion which I am happy to share. I wont be covering some points which you can get from other reviews as this is a comparison review. Also sorry for the length!!

    Background : recently i bought a samsung 226bw which turned out to be an A panel - horrible. After some reading i bought a LG L226WTQ which was had terrible color issues which i posted pictures of in someone elses thread, see them here:

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=154437

    Yes i am picky but spending that kind of money only to be met with poor quality is not exactly pleasing .... So still looking for a 22" widescreen and googling for all its worth i found 2 possible solutions: The Samsung 226CW and the HP w2207. Both of these are 6 bit TN panels. My first choice would be a Samsung 215TW as they use a superior 8bit panel, but they arent available anymore.

    A few sites voted in favour of the HP over the 226CW. I scoured some home user reviews as they often reveal hidden gremlins & the HP came up trumps again. You can find more using google but check these for an example:

    http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors...7&cval=2447317

    http://www.monitorsrc.com/22/samsung...-w2207-review/

    Not overly convinced by other peoples opinions, mainly because I am pickier than most but then again several reviews inspired me to buy the samsung & then the LG. There was only one solution - I bought the two! I got the HP from one store and the Samsung from another, both offering a 14 day money back guarrantee.

    I connected both & cloned the desktop. I went through some pictures, checkmon, a movie and 2 games (dark and light maps). The HP is slightly better at the whole color range with some being much better than others, otherwise there is little difference unless your talking gaming or pictures. The HP has this magnificant gloss like effect hard coating which clearly gives it the advantage / wow factor. The downside is this shows up fingerprints very easily and you can see yourself reflected in it when there is a light source in the room. It really is nice to look at. Checkmon revealed that where the HP bettered the 226CW in one test, the Samsung bettered it in another, overall the margins were minor but i got the impression the HP did it ever so slightly better.

    I didnt get any halo around lettering as some reviews stated with the HP but I did install the drivers & ICC profiles immediately. The samsung seemed good just out of the box but I installed the drivers anyway.

    Some websites say the samsung is worse but i felt both suffered backlight bleed equally. Both also suffer on color change, top to bottom or side to side on very minor angle changes but the HP was slightly better, again i feel this is down to the gloss. You have to be looking at the screens spot on for the best picture as with all TN panels, not something I like.

    The HP's adjustments is far superior and will go as far as to say the asthetics are better too, but this is a personal preference so it doesnt count in my opinion. However the lack of adjustments on the samsung compared to the HP are deffinately worth mentioning.

    I tried one monitor at a time and repeated all the steps but when using the Samsung I could just tell it wasnt as good as the HP. If i hadnt of used the HP I would imagine I would just be impressed. After close scrutiny neither monitor showed ghosting (HP 5ms / 226CW 2ms). It was hard to choose on performance but because of the color the HP had over the 226cw I ended up returning the 226cw. Where's the pictures? Read on ...

    Intervention! On ebay was a new Samsung 215TW. An 8 bit true color 16.7 million color panel. TN panels are 6bit 16.2million with dithering - something clearly visible. Being my original choice I had to bid ... and won. Its an inch shorter than the HP and any man will tell you an extra inch will put a bigger smile on your face.

    Here's a typical review of the 215tw, any other review they do compares it to the 215tw as its their choice monitor.

    http://www.trustedreviews.com/displa...1in-Monitor/p1

    I have pictures of the 215TW & HP but not the HP % 226cw. Why? Well when i copied the new pictures from the camera of the 215tw over i actually clicked YES to overwritting the other ones, how noobish is that? Abuse welcome! So I only got half the photo's sorry.

    I have repeated all the above tests and here's the pictures. First 2 are with and without flash to show you the gloss the HP has.





    Here's where the 8 bit panel shines over the 6 bit with dithering.









    Despite the 215tw doing better job on color range, the gloss on the HP makes yellows & greens appear better, but only slightly. Its hard to see the differences 90% of the time but with dark colors the dithering doesnt do a great job. This is more evident in games with dark maps such as Fear, CS:S and Half Life 2. The 215tw doesnt suffer any ghosting either which I expected with it being 8ms.

    The 215tw has many more adjustments than the 226cw, give the impression they cut corners on it, but the 215tw adjustments is not as good as the HP. Somethig else i didnt realise is that the 215tw has S-video, composite & RGB connections which may come in handy for some users.

    Here's the difference on color you get with a TN panel under slight angle changes, there's plenty of gripe about it on the web with all 22" screens. The 215tw doesnt suffer at all unless the angle is extreme.



    Here's 2 more pics where the HP gloss can be really annoying.





    I chose the HP w2207 over the Samsung 226CW because of the color and wow factor. I really like the HP & dont want to lose it but the Samsung 215tw does shine above it in many aspects.

    Here's the bad points from comparison

    Samsung 215tw
    -some colors arent quite good as the HP
    -plastics not quite as good as the HP
    -doesnt have that smile enducing experience the HP does

    HP w2207
    -only 1 year warranty - you tight fisted bar stewards, 215tw has 3years
    -gloss improves some colors & gives a wow factor
    -the gloss reflects if a light source is behind you & is quite distracting sometimes
    -fingerprints & smudges show up very easily on the screen & surround (pet hate of mine)
    -gaming revealed it didnt do as good as job as the samsung


    My findings are pretty much the same as others with the HP but I really like the gloss effect, but it is equally annoying as I am always looking at myself in the daytime with a dark screen or if i have a light on at night. Realistcally the advantages the HP has over the 215tw (apart from adjustment) is the gloss screen.

    I like love both but decided on the 215tw because of panel technology, better colors in games & that it doesnt suffer color change when you slightly change angle. Also I think the reflecting gloss of the HP will eventually pi55 me off so that was the final decider. At the moment I have just the 215tw on the desk and I already miss the wow factor of the HP (but not the reflections).

    Sorry for the length (my wrists are aching as bad as when I was single), comments & questions welcome but for the sake of others scrolling please dont use the quote!

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    very nice insights..
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    Can you post some pics of the 226CW? I ordered it.

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    I just bought 2 of the Samsung 226CW's (Best Buy, on Sale $349 each) and they are incredible looking. Very little bleed, no stuck and/or dead pixels.

    Colors are vibrant!

    This is the first 6bit panel I have ever had that I can't see the dithering on. My 1 year old 6bit 19" Samsung doesn't hold a candle to the 226cw.

    I am very happy!!!

    I highly recommend the Samsung 226cw
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    Ah thank you chriskurn, I ordered it, and lots of people said the monitor was bad, that it was too dark and bad response time.

    But now I am certain again.

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    i overwrote the pictures. i couldnt believe it! and i'd already returned the monitor. i felt like such a muppet, all that wasted picture taking! ha

    also be advised the lag they mention with the 226cw is only on upscaling. if you run a game in the native resolution you wont experience it. so if your playing old games that run in 800x600 max and it has to upscaled then it will endure lag. not really a concern for me as everything i tried supported higher resolutions.

    i wont rubbish the 226cw, i chose the hp over it because side by side the gloss gave better colors. but as time went on the reflection became irritating, but i do miss the finish it had & what it did to some colors. the difference in photo's of the 226cw vs the hp is the same as above in pictures. ignore the color gradients as that only reveals the poor dithering the 6bit panel achieves.

    the only difference the 215tw has over the 226cw in my opinion is the color. performance wise i'd say they are the same. if i hadnt bought the hp aswell i would probably be happy with just the 226cw, although i dont doubt that if i had the 226cw and 215tw side by side i would still choose the 215tw because of the improved colors & that the colors dont darken on the top or sides depending on a minor angle change. you will find this out when you get your monitors. it can be annoying but its livable, i was just learning to adjust the monitor when i was moving in my seat.

    on checkmon the 226cw and w2207 6bit panels werent really that different. your not gonna see the dithering until you can compare one to an 8bit panel. i chose the hp over the 226cw after comparing the two. and i've chosen the 215tw over the hp. i was happy with the hp until i compared the 8bit panelled 215tw and could really see the dithering & unbalanced color - you can see clearly in the pictures but was even more noticable in a game when on clone.

    i'd recommend a 215tw before anything else, but since the 215 isnt readily availabile i'd happily recommend the HP or the 226cw. it will be a personal preference to the buyer whether the gloss effect will win them over, or maybe the extra adjustments. as long as you dont have an 8bit panel next to it, i am confident you will be impressed with either monitor.

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    oh ps, cheers for comments for my time & effort. i been drinking (which i shouldnt as i am on strong painkillers) and its slowing my thinking ...... time! ha

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    Okay many thanks man! Good review.

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    You do realize that the 215TW has input lag?
    I had one and returned it because of that... move your mouse around on the desktop and notice how it feels a little bit sluggish... you could alson clone the desktop on a CRT monitor and run a virtual stopwatch, then take a picture of it with a digital camera set to 1/1000 of a second.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

    A perfect example that'll tell you what I mean:
    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/d...p/lag_2405.jpg

    My 2407WFP rev. A04 suffers slightly from it too but nowhere near as bad as the 215TW 6 months back...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
    You do realize that the 215TW has input lag?
    I had one and returned it because of that... move your mouse around on the desktop and notice how it feels a little bit sluggish... you could alson clone the desktop on a CRT monitor and run a virtual stopwatch, then take a picture of it with a digital camera set to 1/1000 of a second.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Input_lag

    A perfect example that'll tell you what I mean:
    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/d...p/lag_2405.jpg

    My 2407WFP rev. A04 suffers slightly from it too but nowhere near as bad as the 215TW 6 months back...
    im glad you mentioned this before i returned the HP. i was skeptical until i put the screen back up and checked it out. i dont think i saw it before as i was too busy trying to find ghosting & comparing colors.

    the delay is obvious in a fast paced FPS but less noticable in other things. a film seemed to be out of sync which i assumed was poor codec use but played it again on the HP & it was fine!!

    i have taken pics as you suggested and 2 video clips which i am yet to compress. will post them later on for you guys to see. looks like i will be keeping the HP afterall. I know all TFT's suffer a bit of lag & assumed this is what you were referring to but the delay on the 215tw is something I simply cannot live with.

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    You could try the Dell 2007WFP... same resolution, great colours and viewing angles and very very little input lag... the HP is a TN panel so it inhibits (almost) no input lag but the Dell's colors are way better.

    I'm glad to hear you returned the 215TW... the 244T is just as bad so I've read.
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    i read reviews on that dell & the 22" model and wasnt won over

    the colors on the hp & 215tw are closely matched, could only tell the difference in a game or some pictures as above. infact the hp was better at some colors than the 215tw. so i can live with it ..... for now. i equally love & hate the gloss but the biggest dislike of the other 22 'inchers i've had is the degregation of colors when you change viewing angle slightly. the gloss on the hp may make it stand above the others on this but it still suffers nether the less. i will keep the hp for now until something better is released.

    just for you to see, here's another review that helped me make the initial decision. check some of the homer user reviews too

    http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors....html?tag=also

    all 22" panels are 6bit & the hp seems to come out a consistent winner, even over the 226bw S panel & 226cw. but although reviewers say the HP is the best 22" available dont kid yourself it will live upto some aspects of smaller 8bit panel. in some ways i wish i hadnt of upgraded.

    here are the 2 video clips showing the delay on the 215tw vs hp w2207 i promised. the hp is the one on the right (the one thats updating faster). sorry the camera moves alot at the end - i was yawning!!

    delay clip1 .... 1.6mb

    delay clip2 .... 4.62mb


    and here are some pictures of the lag via use of a virtual stopwatch (in red). some of you may argue that there can be a minor lag where a video card updates a 2nd screen via clone or extended desktop, however i swapped cables so the 215tw was first (configured first in the display properties too) and there was still a difference. the disapointment after getting my hopes up is crushing. i would say it would be fine if you werent playing FPS games, however what i thought was poor encoding of a divx when played on the 215tw, turned out to lag as it played be fine on the hp ..... and i find that disturbing. once again garrett, im glad you pointed this out, i would be so pi55ed if i discovered this too late










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    Yeah the first time I moved my mouse on the 215TW I was like: OMG so this is input lag... it was so bad that I was immediately disappointed, and no viewing angle could make up for that
    Now I have the Dell 2407 and couldn't be happier with it
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    update

    as already said the 215tw was bought on ebay and the guy wont take it back because he is not a shop. i cant hold this against him so have fallen back on samsung who are sending out a courier with a replacement screen free of charge in the next 5 days.

    the samsung rep said he is aware of the lag issue and that "only a few" suffer from it. aparantly this is because during manufacture they got short of a certain component and sourced an alternative temporarily until their usual ones were available again. so these are the ones that cause the problem.

    if there is any truth in this i dont know, sounds plausable but also could be made up by someone witty. he assured me though that the replacement will be lag free. i will update you guys again when it arrives. if its not lag free the rep said i could call again on the warranty. i hope he is right and if he is i will keep it, otherwise i guess i will just sell the 215tw to someone who wont play fast paced stuff

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    Yeah too bad the guy doesn't cooperate...
    I've tried UT2004 today on my wonderful (lol) 2407WFP and I notice no lag at all... and I know I'm really picky so all is well
    You said you were not won over... well I am
    The lag-free panels are of course TN, but every LCD monitor probably has its own quirks right?
    Hope you get a lag-free 215TW man... would be awesome good luck!
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    Update

    had the 215tw swapped out today for a guarranteed "no lag" model.

    after just 30 seconds of testing lag was noticable. swapped ports and repeated and no difference. on virtual stopwatch the lag is slightly less than the pics above but is still aparant. moving a mouse on the desktop isnt so noticable but fired up in quake on clone and a game of spot the difference was easily played.

    i'll ring samsung again but i think i will just sell the 215tw on.

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    Hi... i just returned my 226CW after using it for 2 hours and finding it had some of the worst backlight bleed i ever saw! on bioshock i could see the light bleed as much as 50% up from the bottom of the panel... and 30% in from the right side.... also was a dark patch 3/4 of the way up the screen... an inch thick reaching almost the entire width of the screen... truly shocking quality.... took it strait back and after a large argument (there tech support guy didnt even know what backlight bleed was!! typical PCworld here in the UK ) i swapped it for the HP 2207.... far superior...

    just wondering if anyone else with the 2207 could share whats a good settings for this monitor if possible please? thanks

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    gotta love pc world

    what you make of the gloss on colors? also your thoughts on any reflection? i gotten use to mine now when i notice it

    my settings are brightness 65 & contrast 78 but thats to my room and preference. color is on 6500 but i did have it on sRGB with different settings which was good too. i downloaded monitor calibration and turned off the hp thing via the monitor, but it couldnt compete so stuck with hp. try it yourself, greys and blues suffer.

    after you fiddled with the hp software, uninstall it. its buggy and only really needed 1st time round for setup. also i installed ICC profile driver as recommended, but noticed no difference.

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    To be honest.. i was also worried about the reflective screen .. but can say after a full day / night of use i havent noticed it even once....... maybe im just lucky with the placement of my moniitor , a solid wall behind me so no light source, although theres a large window to the right of me i havent seen any reflections on the screen so far

    changed settings to near yours.... 65 bright and 75 contrast.. and is seeming to give better whites than how i had it set.... not to keen on the sRGB setting... not quite sure why but theres something just not quite right :/

    As for the colour representation.... its my first TFT and i was a little worried comming from a 21" CRT it wouldent look as vibrant... but im suprised to say it knocks the socks off my old samsung CRT.... much brighter and more vibrant colours..... really jump off the screen........ MoH airbourne just looks amazing

    Why didnt i make the jump to TFT sooner!... lol

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    Samsung 226cw

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    I have ordered pc a few days ago and as far as know it's being assembled at this moment. Hopefully I will get it on monday. The Pc spec is:

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    I have read the review regarding the LCDs a few times but still need some feedback from you ..I am struggling between Samsung 226CW and Samsung 2232BW. I do not realy want to experience the flickering effect while scrolling the web pages whcih I see on my laptop now:/

    I really appreciate your help.

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    i wont recommend the 226bw or cw

    as for the other one you mentioned i have not seen it so i cant comment. be careful on reviews, as mentioned above, they have got me to buy several screens all of which i have been unhappy with. because of the trouble i thought i'd share it to help warn others

    my honest advice tho is to wait until some better screens in this size hit the market and make do with a cheaper 19" or so for the time being

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    thx 4 ur help...... but just have one question...when you are browsing the internet pages doesyour screen flicker a bit ?? or comparable to the samsung that you had a chance to test ??

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    i didnt notice flickering with the samsungs on scrolling, fast images or the like. my only gripes are as above

    the only "flickering" i have seen is where a particular pattern forms banding here n there and flickers when scrolling. is this what you are meaning?

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    What I meant was that when you scroll down a web page it seems like the text lines are overlapping each other. Have you noticed a lag on 226CW ??

    THX 4 help

    the lag test you performed on HP is not that much visible.. does it really noticeable ??
    Last edited by Hilu; 09-30-2007 at 12:40 PM.

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    the lag test above shows that the samsung is behind the hp, not the other way around. i havent noticed any lag on the hp, its instantaneous as older tft's i have used

    scrolling on the 215tw or the hp didnt reveal a problem as your describing. i cant comment on the 226bw or cw as i never looked for that. but have to say on a personal recommendation, i'd suggest the hp over them providing you can find it as cheap and check out the gloss to see if it will annoy you or not.

    other than that, i think its worth holding out until something better comes along

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