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04-03-2007, 09:46 PM
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mmmm.... Ouch
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04-03-2007, 11:04 PM
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OMG 48 Shaders only on GT ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Meaning two in sli would be slower than a single 8800gts ?!?!?!??!
Nvidia can go s.h.i.t. itself to heck...I can't believe my freakin eyes...nvidia pulled an ATI on the 8600GT...its SLOWER than the 7600GT...in some games !!!!!!!
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04-03-2007, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by perkam
OMG 48 Shaders only on GT ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Meaning two in sli would be slower than a single 8800gts ?!?!?!??!
Nvidia can go s.h.i.t. itself to heck...I can't believe my freakin eyes...nvidia pulled an ATI on the 8600GT...its SLOWER than the 7600GT...in some games !!!!!!!
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you mean that the x1600pro isn't a good card?
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04-03-2007, 11:23 PM
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More good news:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showth...threadid=61518
And btw xlink, i have no desire to get into that right now.
Link to full review added to post made by Stym...the $100 7600GT is faster than the $150 "nex gen pos" 8600GT and the $150 7900gs BLOWS the $150 8600GT out of the water:
Welcome to 2006...Nvidia can keep its $200 GTS to itself, when u can get an 8800GTS for $50-$60 more, and an X1950XT for $10 more !!!!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814102067 .. not to mention, those $120 X1900GT's (which are ~7900GS performance) look mighty fine right now, plus they're 256-bit...
THE ONLY THING that would console me after Nvidia pulling this, is if it runs games with newer engines...at least 5-10 fps faster than the 7600GT...my main concern being how it will handle et:qw...
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04-03-2007, 11:40 PM
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Come on perkam, give Nvidia some time to get reasonable drivers to the market.  Still sad nonetheless.
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04-03-2007, 11:43 PM
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Wow, so much for going the 8600 route. I think I might have a 8800GTS as soon as prices drop below $250.
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04-03-2007, 11:43 PM
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Come on perkam, give Nvidia some time to get reasonable drivers to the market. Still sad nonetheless.
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Nvidia had time...all the time it needed...sitting there with their happy faces snickering at themselves thinking the fact that ATI hasn't put out their dx10 offerings means they get a free ride...
I mean...you want me to give them a break? REMEMBER that they bench these cards in their own labs...THEY SAW THIS AND STILL RELEASED THEM !!! And they could not have had updated drivers when they were testing the final cards before release...cos updated drivers come AFTER the card is released...so they saw these EXACT numbers and said "OK"....
I feel sick to the stomach....first the x1600, now the 8600...the $150 card should AT LEAST have been equal to the $150 cards out today...here its losing to its $100 previous gen counterpart.
Go fricken matrox...
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04-04-2007, 12:12 AM
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Then if these number still hold true, it's obvious what will happen to the price. Give it time and this card will find its matched price range in the market.
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04-04-2007, 12:19 AM
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I'm with Perkam on this one.
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04-04-2007, 12:32 AM
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I've got 8600GT to...but the NDA ends at 17April !
I don't know how they managed to take out results...
The drivers are still not good..but they are updating them very very often.
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04-04-2007, 01:31 AM
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wow pathetic performance atm , not even better then the old models  
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04-04-2007, 01:42 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
THEY SAW THIS AND STILL RELEASED THEM !!!
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thats the first lil problem they aint released yet.
and seeing that the card beats the 7600 in NFS Carbon but loses big time in Prey pretty much shows that the drivers are poorly optimized.
we could very easily see proper drivers released before or at launch.
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04-04-2007, 03:06 AM
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Perkam's completely overreacting.
It's plain to see that if this card can manage over 50% improvement over the 7600GT in one game, it has potential. There's most likely a driver issue with OpenGL games. Don't scream the end of the world having seen one brief benchmarking session.
The 8600GTS will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the GT too, 64 SPs versus 48 is over 30% more, plus the 25% clockspeed increase, means NVIDIA definitely has a chance to beat anything AMD releases. I can't wait to see that card benchmarked in games.
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04-04-2007, 03:14 AM
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I wouldn't be so optimistic, although its obvious that there are some improvements to be garnered by improved drivers.
Still I think it would have been better if nvidia had slapped a 256bit bus on it, then they would have been sure to wipe the floor in lower midrange. There is no excuse that to this day 128bit memory rules the $100-200 pricepoint (after 5+ friggin years).
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04-04-2007, 07:41 AM
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blech.
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04-04-2007, 08:02 AM
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Gentlemen, i'm not buying this at $150 so that its faster than the 7600GT by 5 fps....i would buy this over the 7900GS if it was faster than that !!! No amount of driver updates will change that...
Obviously if official performance reviews on the 17th find that this is not the case and it is on par with a 7900GS or X1950GT/Pro...then it has done its part...but that looks very unlikely.
The X1650XT had the EXACT thing happen where it got high marks in benchies but sucked in games...I don't want to have this happen to the 8600 or the X2600...but I'm not going to sit back thinking "oh yea it'll improve by a WHOLE lot" as i can tell what kind of limits even new drivers are bound by.
@ Cybercat, the price range for the GTS is $200 to $250...and even at $200 it will be compared to the x1950pro 512mb, the 7900gt and the $210 X1950XT.
Not to mention, if the gap between it and the 8800gts is too big, then paying $50 more for the 8800 is a far better option.
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04-04-2007, 08:09 AM
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Those are disappointing results.
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04-04-2007, 08:37 AM
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Gentlemen, i'm not buying this at $150 so that its faster than the 7600GT by 5 fps....i would buy this over the 7900GS if it was faster than that !!! No amount of driver updates will change that...
Obviously if official performance reviews on the 17th find that this is not the case and it is on par with a 7900GS or X1950GT/Pro...then it has done its part...but that looks very unlikely.
The X1650XT had the EXACT thing happen where it got high marks in benchies but sucked in games...I don't want to have this happen to the 8600 or the X2600...but I'm not going to sit back thinking "oh yea it'll improve by a WHOLE lot" as i can tell what kind of limits even new drivers are bound by.
@ Cybercat, the price range for the GTS is $200 to $250...and even at $200 it will be compared to the x1950pro 512mb, the 7900gt and the $210 X1950XT.
Not to mention, if the gap between it and the 8800gts is too big, then paying $50 more for the 8800 is a far better option.
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they want you to spend that extra $60.
It will go down to about $180~160
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04-04-2007, 09:16 AM
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Let's wait and see how will it perform in the end since there are obviosly driver problems in PREY and 3DMARK03 + it performs very good in Carbon.
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Cybercat, the price range for the GTS is $200 to $250...and even at $200 it will be compared to the x1950pro 512mb, the 7900gt and the $210 X1950XT.
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Those video cards aren't DX10 and I hope that the difference between 8600GTS and 7900GT/X1900XT will be seen in DX10 games.
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04-04-2007, 09:26 AM
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Perkam's completely overreacting.
It's plain to see that if this card can manage over 50% improvement over the 7600GT in one game, it has potential. There's most likely a driver issue with OpenGL games. Don't scream the end of the world having seen one brief benchmarking session.
The 8600GTS will be SIGNIFICANTLY faster than the GT too, 64 SPs versus 48 is over 30% more, plus the 25% clockspeed increase, means NVIDIA definitely has a chance to beat anything AMD releases. I can't wait to see that card benchmarked in games.
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yes and I also have a definite chance to release a graphics card that is faster than the 8800Ultra this year, however it is rather unlikely; Just like the bolded text that you posted
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04-04-2007, 09:31 AM
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yes and I also have a definite chance to release a graphics card that is faster than the 8800Ultra this year, however it is rather unlikely; Just like the bolded text that you posted
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their is always a chance  but who knows both AMD and Nvidia looks dump this time 
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04-04-2007, 09:43 AM
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im gonna wait for gorillakos results....
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04-04-2007, 11:01 AM
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Looks like DX10 for the sake of DX10.
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04-04-2007, 11:19 AM
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Hmm an x1950Pro for $170 even here with 20% VAT looks more and more appealing...
When will the first dx10 and dx10-only games appear? I think that will be a half-
generation of cards till then, and maybe something better will come along (like
X2800GTO or 8900GS).
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