ASUS Maximus II Formula - new P45 king?

[WaterFlex]

X48 >> P45

[Ghostleader]

@Grnfinger

What about Clock Twister and Common Performance Level, what was the setup for those on the MIIF compare to RF?

You don´t have a 32M with the MIIF compare to RF, it should be interesting to see the different between them, even though RF have a bit better bandwidth and latency I´m not sure it´s faster in 32M.

[CryptiK]

Yes, a 32M comparison would be good. I'd be surprised if tyhe X48 was not faster than the P45 at the same settings.

@ Ghostleader, speaking of 32M comparisons, can you please run one with your rampage at the same settings as in your sig and show cpuz/memset in SS? I'll run one at the same settings. Use LSC enabled of course or it wont be comparable.

[Grnfinger]

the MIIF ss was from and older run...the rampage seetings were indentical to the MIIF

MIIF
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]


Rampage

DRAM Static Read :Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Will run a 32m tonight and post up setting for both was tired and lazy so just did a quick bandwidth run, tbh I havent had much time to play with the board I hope to get a chance to really test it out this weekend, been wrestling with a GPU issue on this board

[Ghostleader]

Yes, a 32M comparison would be good. I'd be surprised if tyhe X48 was not faster than the P45 at the same settings.

@ Ghostleader, speaking of 32M comparisons, can you please run one with your rampage at the same settings as in your sig and show cpuz/memset in SS? I'll run one at the same settings. Use LSC enabled of course or it wont be comparable.

Sure no problem, this should interesting.

the MIIF ss was from and older run...the rampage seetings were indentical to the MIIF

MIIF
DRAM Static Read Control: Enabled
Dram Read Training : Disabled
MEM OC Charger : Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]


Rampage

DRAM Static Read :Enabled
Ai Clock Twister : Stronger
Transaction Booster : Manual

Common Performance Level [8]

Will run a 32m tonight and post up setting for both was tired and lazy so just did a quick bandwidth run, tbh I havent had much time to play with the board I hope to get a chance to really test it out this weekend, been wrestling with a GPU issue on this board

Take your time, you gonna have my hours of fun in front of you, looking forward on those 32M runs.

With that FSB and ram speed you should be able to use tRD 7, in almost every case compare to P45 chipset you can go one lower on tRD with X48.

[Ghostleader]

@ CryptiK

Here´s 1M and 32M with my RF and the sig setup.

This was done with Windows 7 RC 64bit and with no optimizations, E8600 @ 500, 4,25GHz / 2x1Gb ram @ 1200 555 5 tRD 7 / DRAM Static Read disabled / Ai Clock Twister strong.

If I run the same with XP SP2 32bit the result get some what better, 1M 10,891s and 32M 11m 04,829s.

[humeyboy]

I thought this was the MFII thread !

Seems to be going elsewhere recently.

[Ghostleader]

I thought this was the MFII thread !

Seems to be going elsewhere recently.

Sorry don´t mean to hijake this thread, It´s still a MIIF thread so don´t worry, It´s just that it´s interesting to do a comparison once in a while and since Cryptik asked for a comparison between my RF and his MIIF, so I gave him that.

In my opinion it´s interesting to compare things and see where the different are, if there any, no competition in what or which hardware is better then the other, it´s just for fun and to learn and get hold on new knowledge.

Sorry if I offended anyone. Be happy

[humeyboy]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO.

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.

[Grnfinger]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO.

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.

I'm not sure what your problem is but others have expressed interest and last time I checked your name was not on the XS domain registry, if it bothers you so much click the ignore button and it should no longer be a problem.

Take your time, you gonna have my hours of fun in front of you, looking forward on those 32M runs.

With that FSB and ram speed you should be able to use tRD 7, in almost every case compare to P45 chipset you can go one lower on tRD with X48.

you can actually go to PL6 with phase pullins enabled they actually work on the Rampage :P
I'm just testing max FSB atm and max Ram MHz I have 3 kits and they all seem to do rather well, I will post some runs in a seperate thread and post up the link here, we wouldnt want to offend anyone that comes here to read MIIF

[humeyboy]

I never said I did own this site but this thread is about the MFII.

Feel free to make a thread for your super duper Mobo and I can IGNORE it.

At least your post above does not contain the ROTF smilie for a change.

I seem to remember you scoffed at the SLI bios that may have been possible for the P45 and now seems to be at its 1st stage by EVO (AFAIR)

Comparing another Mobo an odd time is fine but all these giant posts and pictures of a non MFII Mobo are OFFTOPIC IMO.

[Grnfinger]

Comparing another board against the MIIF and posting in the MIIF thread is off topic??? please explain how that is I would be interested to hear it.
Because you cant/wont/dont appreciate comparisons between boards doesnt mean others share your opinion and because I'm curious why do large pictures bother you? are you frightend by them? what does it cost you? money, bandwidth, you dont host the files, are you on dial up and thats your problem??? If size were an isue I'm sure the mods would have filters in place to prevent it from happening.

As for the SLI issue no I did not think was possible and so did the bios's author, once it was proven it was possible I made a positive comment did I not.

I dont come here to argue I try to help when I can and share the little bit I know and soak up the valuble information that is here because others are kind enough to share it...I find this fun and I have a good time doing it, sharing/exchanging information with others is kinda what this site is all about is it not?

[loonym]

Really shouldn't be any need to argue. There are quite a few rampage threads and if I ever have one (doubtful) I'll look at them to get great info I'm sure. Until that time I'd just as soon read about M2F in this one.
A compare thread is a fantastic idea for a new topic for those interested in that.

[Ghostleader]

NP's Just there is 1 peep who keeps talking/posting about his other Mobo here inc large pics and its getting a bit much TBH IMO.

I come here to read about the MF II ideally.

I never said I did own this site but this thread is about the MFII.

Feel free to make a thread for your super duper Mobo and I can IGNORE it.

At least your post above does not contain the ROTF smilie for a change.

I seem to remember you scoffed at the SLI bios that may have been possible for the P45 and now seems to be at its 1st stage by EVO (AFAIR)

Comparing another Mobo an odd time is fine but all these giant posts and pictures of a non MFII Mobo are OFFTOPIC IMO.

Really shouldn't be any need to argue. There are quite a few rampage threads and if I ever have one (doubtful) I'll look at them to get great info I'm sure. Until that time I'd just as soon read about M2F in this one.
A compare thread is a fantastic idea for a new topic for those interested in that.

Why all this hostility and anger , hopefully we all is here to help and share things with each other.

[CryptiK]

@ CryptiK

Here´s 1M and 32M with my RF and the sig setup.

This was done with Windows 7 RC 64bit and with no optimizations, E8600 @ 500, 4,25GHz / 2x1Gb ram @ 1200 555 5 tRD 7 / DRAM Static Read disabled / Ai Clock Twister strong.

If I run the same with XP SP2 32bit the result get some what better, 1M 10,891s and 32M 11m 04,829s.

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...tRD7DRAM-1.jpg
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/k...RD7DRAMSta.jpg

Thanks for doing that, the X48 is significantly quicker than the p45. I ran SPI32M on Win XP 32 bit so using your XP time, your system is ~9 seconds faster. Your ram timings are also slightly looser than mine.

SPI32M @ 4250 MHz / DDR2-1200 / PL8 / SRC & DRT Enabled / CT Moderate = 11m 13.687s



Everest Bandwidth & Latency at same settings

[Ghostleader]

You´re welcome, I just got because of you, just kidding , glad that I could help out.

I most say that I got a bit surprised that the P45 wasn´t faster, what´s your bandwidth and latency?

Have you tried SRC & DRT Disabled and CT Strong, just to see if there´s a different?

[CryptiK]

Yeah that wasn't my intention. Perhaps I should have provided you with a flame suit with my request. Given this is the 148th page of the thread, I figured we have almost run out of things to say about the M2F alone, I was under the impression it was an interesting comparison, given the fact the 2 boards in question are often 2 boards compared by people when choosing a new DDR2/s775 platform. Now people are moving to i7 & X58, I didn't think a couple of posts on X48 vs P45 would be too off topic let alone irritating.

As for Grnfinger posting pics of his new Rampage in here, I don't mind in the slightest, I actually thought it was good. We have all been posting in here for the better part of a year now, and as such I feel we are somewhat like friends; you guy's posts are the ones I see the most and your thoughts and opinions are the ones I hear the most. I wouldn't banish a mate from my house for telling me he got a new piece of hardware, and likewise I won't banish a mate from this thread for doing the same thing, in fact I welcome the sharing of information and purchases, whether related directly to the M2F or not; 99% of this thread is 'on topic', the odd digression from that is perfectly fine in my opinion.

Getting back to P45 vs X48, from my experience X48 is always faster than P45 at the same settings, and higher Everest bandwidth & latency scores don't always translate to a faster SPI32M time, just look at the Nvidia 680i chipset for example, great in everest, slow in SPI32M.

EDIT - I edited my post to show everest at the same settings as the SPI32M run. I have mucked around with various combinations of Clock Twister and DRT/SRC but have lost my notes on their effects in terms of SPI32M times at a given setting. DRT and SRC increase bandwidth with minimal effect on latency, and Clock Twister decreases latency the stronger you go but has a minimal effect of bandwidth. I might play around with that when I get some time.

[Ghostleader]

Perhaps I should have provided you with a flame suit with my request.

That was a good one, probably you should have done that.

No problems mate, happy to help and share.

I do it again if anyone request a comparison and do get flamed as long as it´s for a good course.

Interesting, to compare those two with each others, specially when they both are Asus board and the bios is not that much different to each others, shouldn´t be the same to compare for example a Asus X48 and a Gigabyte P45 with each others

I had the impression that the P45 was faster then the X48 even though it had lower bandwidth and higher latency then the X48, guess i was wrong.

Have a nice weekend

[xoldboyx]

what do you think?

[WaterFlex]

xoldboyx
Nope. You should clock to 1200Mhz if you want to use CAS5.
If you want 1:1, try to set CAS4.

[Ghostleader]

@xoldboyx

Looks a bit off but not much.

How is your

DRAM Static Read Control
Dram Read Training
MEM OC Charger
Ai Clock Twister
Transaction Booster,Common Performance Level

set and which strap do you run?

Also a screenie of a Memset would be nice.

[LennyRhys]

I'm very tempted to get this motherboard... I just got a P5Q-E and the lack of sensors on the motherboard is sorely disappointing. The only voltage value I can view in windows is vcore don't get important voltages like DIMM, NB, SB, VTT

I know that the MF2 is regarded by many as "too expensive" for its raw performance, but dayum it's the best looking mobo I've ever seen in my life

[In-Fluence]

Back again! Managed to get the board fitted & chugging along nicely after some careful removal of the giant heatsink layout, installation of the NB block, and some copper on the remaining important parts. Temps are so much lower on this than my P5B it's unreal, and it's nice to get similar stability on lower volts too! It now makes me think I've got a better Q6600 than I originally thought, but this board is a bit of a beast, and it's bringing me back to the days of my DFI NF4-SLI-DR Expert (or whatever it was which I spent a looong time tweaking!

Anyway, I digress - after going through Simp's superbly written guide, I have at least started to mke some headway veering towards the 3.8GHz mark using 418x9 with memory on the 400 divider (running 1179MHz MT stable), although I do have a couple of questions about the methods for testing..

• When you say 'prime unstable' I'm going by the point at which the computer just restarts. I'm almost assuming this is wrong, as I clearly wouldn't be able to make note of the time a test failed, (yes, I've been sitting there waiting for reboots). I got as far as the 2nd point in the guide before I thought I should ask before I possibly waste what little time I have! Results to seem reasonably consistent, but I fear could be a result of my power temp going too high is ~60°C too much? And could this represent the
  mosfet temps? Should I be trying to aim for rounding errors?
  
• One thing that raised my attention was the fact that the standard blend test goes from a high mem/nb test (1024k) straight to a high CPU stress (8k). Would it not be better to try and run more relevant tests when testing the results of certain settings? i.e. when adjusting CPU GTLs, running small fft tests to test CPU stability, and when adjusting NB GTLs/RAM skews, go for higher ones to test NB & RAM? Perhaps blends would be better suited to the CPU/NB delays?
  
• Using the voltages Simp provides at the beginning of the guide, and my own ideal 24-hour vcore & vdimm values, I get reboots as mentioned before. Would starting from a lower clock and slightly undervolting to try & provoke rounding errors be better? The guide says I can adjust the FSB later on, but I'm wondering if any dramatic change would just mean I would have to re-tune everything again?
  

Sorry for the rant guys, I just wanna get this right and determine if I'm missing something silly, or if a certain component might be letting me down!

[eSp!s0]

That`s what I got, but couldn`t get 550FSB primestable so far.

[humeyboy]

I'm very tempted to get this motherboard... I just got a P5Q-E and the lack of sensors on the motherboard is sorely disappointing. The only voltage value I can view in windows is vcore don't get important voltages like DIMM, NB, SB, VTT

I know that the MF2 is regarded by many as "too expensive" for its raw performance, but dayum it's the best looking mobo I've ever seen in my life

DON'T.

Buy the Gigabyte, this Mobo is crap for Quad's.

I have just swapped my E8600 for a Q9650 and cannot even get 450FSB 100% stable.

CPU does 3GHZ with 1.03v which proves the VID is a lot of crap as mines is 1.275v (high) this is Primed Stable/Vantage etc).

For now I'm at 9x400 with all lowest Mobo voltages, but I cannot get 450 stable so far and 500FSB will not even boot into Windows no matter how much voltage etc.

Mobo is a Rev A2, doubt the Rev A3 NB helps that much, Asus sure have made a boob here.