Nvidia 169.XX drivers are being questioned in Crysis

[AbelJemka]

Even if ATI was first it seems for some that its justified this. Good so go on Nvidia, u can make drivers tweaks since ATI was the first to make it. Like saying Carl Lewis could dope himself since Ben Johnson was the fist to do it

[DeathReborn]

If u get BSOD learn to uninstall drivers first...
After is just a point of view. If u like to install a drivers for each game, game demo, beta game that good for u. One thing i learn about computers is less time you mess with drivers less problems u have.

That's why I stuck with 7.6, don't need any of the "improvements". I haven't had any BSOD's from installing a driver as I know what i'm doing perfectly well thank you.

One thing I learned about computers is 99% of the problems are caused the soft fleshy bit sitting in front of it. In this case the fleshy bit belongs to someone(maybe many) in front of other computers.

Either way we'll soon see if this is a genuine bug/mistake or a deliberate action. I'm hoping the former but the latter wouldn't shock me from ANY company.

[b0bd0le]

Even if ATI was first it seems for some that its justified this. Good so go on Nvidia, u can make drivers tweaks since ATI was the first to make it. Like saying Carl Lewis could dope himself since Ben Johnson was the fist to do it

first off, there are no ifs ati was first with their quake/quack hack. This is fact.

so, you people either complain that we don't get enough driver updates or we get too many driver updates...

right, so which one is it going to be?

[rob[GL]]

cheaters cheaters pumpkin eaters

[joshd]

first off, there are no ifs ati was first with their quake/quack hack. This is fact.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

If it IS cheating, you cannot justify this with "ATi did it first."

It could be cheating, or it could be a bug. Either way, it does not need all these wasted posts of people shouting "fanboy" etc.

On the driver issue, myself, I never bothered with the beta drivers, I just stuck with the latest "full" (for lack of a better word) drivers when I used an nV card. I believe nV "full" are released more or less as regularly as ATi drivers are anyway. If you don't like the hundreds of beta drivers avaliable, don't use them. :-\

[deathman20]

Eh and I could do the same thing within the config files and tell it to update every 10 seconds or 1 hour.

Everything I've seen and people that I trust tell me that the 8800's are far better than ATI's R600's. I'll beable to make my own opinions on it soon enough though.

[Eastcoasthandle]

More comparisons.

Oh snap, look at the windshield, more reflection problems from the nvidia drivers

[GoThr3k]

how could it be a bug when nvidia works so closely with Crytek?

please,this aint a bug,it's just cheating
about 7% on water reflections,some % on other reflections
if you would accumulate all those percentages,you maybe have 10%-15%
so it is cheating if you ask me

[Mekrel]

how could it be a bug when nvidia works so closely with Crytek?

please,this aint a bug,it's just cheating
about 7% on water reflections,some % on other reflections
if you would accumulate all those percentages,you maybe have 10%-15%
so it is cheating if you ask me

Cheating in a demo? Right.

Crytek don't write drivers, nVidia don't write full real time game engines - there will be some lack of understanding from both sides, added into the mix that communication isn't always perfect - it happens.

ATi had an optimisation for the F.E.A.R demo, but when the game was launched the optimisation didn't work and actually caused problems unless you renamed the EXE - which gained up to 30% performance.

All this is, is a news site making a mountain out of a mole hill and the fan boys are using it as a way of rubbing another name in the mud.

[GoThr3k]

demo still uses same engine as final game i suppose??

[Eastcoasthandle]

looks like revision will be released.

source

[Cybercat]

a driver bug that doesnt occur anymore when you change crysis.exe ???
lol

Hardocp loves Nvidia....

and if 8 or 7% doesnt matter that much....
take a look at 3D mark,every 1% more over there is incredible

Yes there are game-specific optimizations. Were you expecting different?

This time one of them went wrong, but it's hardly a fraudulent matter.

how could it be a bug when nvidia works so closely with Crytek?

please,this aint a bug,it's just cheating
about 7% on water reflections,some % on other reflections
if you would accumulate all those percentages,you maybe have 10%-15%
so it is cheating if you ask me

No, at MOST, it's 7%. That's in total, according to tests.

Since the 8800GT was already MUCH more than 7% faster than the fastest current ATI card in Crysis, there's not much logic in such a "cheat", is there? Don't be foolish.

[STEvil]

first off, there are no ifs ati was first with their quake/quack hack. This is fact.

so, you people either complain that we don't get enough driver updates or we get too many driver updates...

right, so which one is it going to be?

Well, if you want to get technical nVidia's always been a bit blotchy on the level of detail (LOD) scale, even since the 3DFX days... Unreal, Quake 2, 3DMark99Max... and then there's 3DFX who couldnt even render 32bit, only 24 (or was it 22?) bit (well technically it was 32bit, but it got downsampled before being spit out of the frame buffer)...

Of course these days most of us just let the LOD thing go..

[DilTech]

It's a bug plain and simple...

These kind of things commonly occur with both companies, it's just a matter of if a site takes the time to complain about it before it's fixed or not.

As for "cheats" both companies were VERY guilty of it during the FX/6800 days. For the most part those days are gone, and now all that remains is drivers bugs generally.

As for image quality by both companies, on a technical level NVidia's is better, that much is a fact. Which you prefer is a matter of personal opinion, but going by paper facts nvidia has better IQ this gen.

[STEvil]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

[Decami]

It's a bug plain and simple...

These kind of things commonly occur with both companies, it's just a matter of if a site takes the time to complain about it before it's fixed or not.

As for "cheats" both companies were VERY guilty of it during the FX/6800 days. For the most part those days are gone, and now all that remains is drivers bugs generally.

As for image quality by both companies, on a technical level NVidia's is better, that much is a fact. Which you prefer is a matter of personal opinion, but going by paper facts nvidia has better IQ this gen.

QFT LOL something I was trying to say a page ago LOL. Cant stop the fanboys!

[Decami]

Way to many? You guys are never satisfied, with ATI you have to wait ages for them to release a new driver to fix a bug. nVidia is right on the mark with delivering drivers immediately for optimal game support. It's never good enough for some of you.

People are way to quick to call something a cheat that could actually very well be a driverbug with Beta drivers.

How many shader/shadow bugs did the 2900XT have? Actually performance that was increased because of that? Yet no one said/says cheat, but with nVidia, ATI fanboys immediatly do so.

Pathetic.




Precisely ^

Which is why I stick with Nvidia usually. See us Nvidia buyers are pretty nit picky. That way we keep Nvidia on their toes. Which in turn forces them to work harder and release better. Maybe the ATI guys should go on strike and hold signs in front an AMD building they havent sold yet! LOL jkjk

But anyway i do agree with you, too many people are too quick to call cheats on things!

[GoThr3k]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

QFT

i don't think it's a bug either

[LowRun]

Definitely doesn't look like a bug to me.

[DilTech]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

QFT

i don't think it's a bug either

Definitely doesn't look like a bug to me.

So I guess to you guys, the ATi lost planet bug didn't look like a bug either?

This is actually kind of similar to the Cat 3.8(I think it was 3.8) bug where specifically certain shadows would appear as squares(HIGHLY dropping the resolutions of only said shadows). That was a bug that only effected the 9800's after the X800's came out.

If that was a bug(there had to be a serious screw up for that to occur), dropping the shadows to around 1/4th of their resolution in 3dmark 03 GT3 and far cry, what makes you guys think this isn't a bug?

Remember the rule of programming, what fixes one thing generally breaks another.

Also, everyone take this as a warning. Any "fanboy" flaming from EITHER camp will not be tolerated. I'm trying to keep this thread open until we hear confirmed word of a resolution to the situation, so please don't make me close this thread. Any beyond my post WILL be dealt with accordingly.

[Eastcoasthandle]

Indicators suggest a new Nvidia driver (be it beta or otherwise). If EB does a follow up to to Crysis with the new drivers it will be interesting to see what the results show.

[DilTech]

East, keep the original post updated with all new info if you wouldn't mind. We all know a lot of people won't take the time to read anything but the first post and then complain.

It'll save us mods a lot of headache.

[Calmatory]

If Nvidia says its a bug, I would believe them right now. They obviously have a good distance lead to ATI, atm. Why would they purposely cheat? for fun? These guys are people like us, they make mistakes. Somtimes things (even big) are hugely looked over. Thats what makes these people human, and thats also what betas are for.

sorry for 1000 edits, its kinda my thing.

Why wouldn't they? They do whatever it is needed to make sure YOU buy GeForce 8800GT. If not, they make sure you DON'T buy ATI card. Why? More market share. More money. Don't we all love money? Yes! So do they!

[Cybercat]

Also, everyone take this as a warning. Any "fanboy" flaming from EITHER camp will not be tolerated. I'm trying to keep this thread open until we hear confirmed word of a resolution to the situation, so please don't make me close this thread. Any beyond my post WILL be dealt with accordingly.

Want an update?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=46

this is fixed in a driver revision ((thats only .o1 or .o2 digits higher than the 169.04 driver series. I cant reveal the actual driver number as it may change by the time it goes public)). But performance looks to be largely unchanged.

Chris

That's an editor of Elite Bastards.

Not a bug...

[DilTech]

Want an update?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=46



That's an editor of Elite Bastards.

Not a bug...

Thanks for the update... East, could you put that in the original post, or would you mind if I do? It'll make us mods job a lot easier as cleaning up threads can be a rather time-consuming task.