Nvidia 169.XX drivers are being questioned in Crysis

[deathman20]

Eh and I could do the same thing within the config files and tell it to update every 10 seconds or 1 hour.

Everything I've seen and people that I trust tell me that the 8800's are far better than ATI's R600's. I'll beable to make my own opinions on it soon enough though.

[GoThr3k]

how could it be a bug when nvidia works so closely with Crytek?

please,this aint a bug,it's just cheating
about 7% on water reflections,some % on other reflections
if you would accumulate all those percentages,you maybe have 10%-15%
so it is cheating if you ask me

[Mekrel]

how could it be a bug when nvidia works so closely with Crytek?

please,this aint a bug,it's just cheating
about 7% on water reflections,some % on other reflections
if you would accumulate all those percentages,you maybe have 10%-15%
so it is cheating if you ask me

Cheating in a demo? Right.

Crytek don't write drivers, nVidia don't write full real time game engines - there will be some lack of understanding from both sides, added into the mix that communication isn't always perfect - it happens.

ATi had an optimisation for the F.E.A.R demo, but when the game was launched the optimisation didn't work and actually caused problems unless you renamed the EXE - which gained up to 30% performance.

All this is, is a news site making a mountain out of a mole hill and the fan boys are using it as a way of rubbing another name in the mud.

[GoThr3k]

demo still uses same engine as final game i suppose??

[Eastcoasthandle]

looks like revision will be released.

source

[DilTech]

It's a bug plain and simple...

These kind of things commonly occur with both companies, it's just a matter of if a site takes the time to complain about it before it's fixed or not.

As for "cheats" both companies were VERY guilty of it during the FX/6800 days. For the most part those days are gone, and now all that remains is drivers bugs generally.

As for image quality by both companies, on a technical level NVidia's is better, that much is a fact. Which you prefer is a matter of personal opinion, but going by paper facts nvidia has better IQ this gen.

[Decami]

It's a bug plain and simple...

These kind of things commonly occur with both companies, it's just a matter of if a site takes the time to complain about it before it's fixed or not.

As for "cheats" both companies were VERY guilty of it during the FX/6800 days. For the most part those days are gone, and now all that remains is drivers bugs generally.

As for image quality by both companies, on a technical level NVidia's is better, that much is a fact. Which you prefer is a matter of personal opinion, but going by paper facts nvidia has better IQ this gen.

QFT LOL something I was trying to say a page ago LOL. Cant stop the fanboys!

[STEvil]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

[GoThr3k]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

QFT

i don't think it's a bug either

[LowRun]

Definitely doesn't look like a bug to me.

[DilTech]

Out of curiosity what would have to be programmed wrong for this to happen?

Wouldnt it have to be a shader that is told to perform its function at x time interval being told to instead do it at y time interval.

I am skeptical, but thats because I have hard time believing this to be a bug.

QFT

i don't think it's a bug either

Definitely doesn't look like a bug to me.

So I guess to you guys, the ATi lost planet bug didn't look like a bug either?

This is actually kind of similar to the Cat 3.8(I think it was 3.8) bug where specifically certain shadows would appear as squares(HIGHLY dropping the resolutions of only said shadows). That was a bug that only effected the 9800's after the X800's came out.

If that was a bug(there had to be a serious screw up for that to occur), dropping the shadows to around 1/4th of their resolution in 3dmark 03 GT3 and far cry, what makes you guys think this isn't a bug?

Remember the rule of programming, what fixes one thing generally breaks another.

Also, everyone take this as a warning. Any "fanboy" flaming from EITHER camp will not be tolerated. I'm trying to keep this thread open until we hear confirmed word of a resolution to the situation, so please don't make me close this thread. Any beyond my post WILL be dealt with accordingly.

[Cybercat]

Also, everyone take this as a warning. Any "fanboy" flaming from EITHER camp will not be tolerated. I'm trying to keep this thread open until we hear confirmed word of a resolution to the situation, so please don't make me close this thread. Any beyond my post WILL be dealt with accordingly.

Want an update?

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.p...5&postcount=46

this is fixed in a driver revision ((thats only .o1 or .o2 digits higher than the 169.04 driver series. I cant reveal the actual driver number as it may change by the time it goes public)). But performance looks to be largely unchanged.

Chris

That's an editor of Elite Bastards.

Not a bug...

[Eastcoasthandle]

Indicators suggest a new Nvidia driver (be it beta or otherwise). If EB does a follow up to to Crysis with the new drivers it will be interesting to see what the results show.

[DilTech]

East, keep the original post updated with all new info if you wouldn't mind. We all know a lot of people won't take the time to read anything but the first post and then complain.

It'll save us mods a lot of headache.

[Cybercat]

It's actually an older driver, but whatever.

[Eagleclaw]

Hmm getting "Nvidia could not locate drives that are compatible with your hardware" this using uninstall then driver cleaner in safe mode.

Going to try manual install I guess

edit: nope no 8800GT support

[NickS]

LOL nice.

[DilTech]

I'm trying really hard not to close this guys, QUIT with the off-topic pictures(this includes the mirage of cheat pictures).

[-thc-(cZ)]

I'm sorry, but there is 3 or 4 threads about all different versions of "new" nvidia drivers on the news section's 1st page..any clue as to which ones I should install? (XP)??

thanks

[jimmyz]

I'm trying really hard not to close this guys, QUIT with the off-topic pictures(this includes the mirage of cheat pictures).

How are cheat pictures off topic? why is a thread against nvidia a flame? I thought the purpose of a forum was to discuss things. why is there no discussion allowed?

I could understand if the posts in question were offensive. You should not censor a thread because you don't like the comments, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and move on. nvidia wrote drivers that had a flaw when caught they released old drivers as a fix. if it had been ATI would you have been so heavy handed in the thread?

a moderator needs to be less biased. you can post your opinions and links disputing what others have said, but to just remove posts you do not have a rebuttal for is childish.

And as for the driver fix, n-zone and crysis sites still urge you to download 169.04 as the driver. also reveiw sites are sent that driver.


I find it sad that nvidias company sponsored sites didn't censor the comments in their thread but XtremeSystems did.

[Tim]

How are cheat pictures off topic? why is a thread against nvidia a flame? I thought the purpose of a forum was to discuss things. why is there no discussion allowed?

I could understand if the posts in question were offensive. You should not censor a thread because you don't like the comments, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and move on. nvidia wrote drivers that had a flaw when caught they released old drivers as a fix. if it had been ATI would you have been so heavy handed in the thread?

a moderator needs to be less biased. you can post your opinions and links disputing what others have said, but to just remove posts you do not have a rebuttal for is childish.

And as for the driver fix, n-zone and crysis sites still urge you to download 169.04 as the driver. also reveiw sites are sent that driver.


I find it sad that nvidias company sponsored sites didn't censor the comments in their thread but XtremeSystems did.

Wether you like it or not, it wasn't the place to post those pics, it was offtopic and could be considered spam. He is right. Even though it was hilarious. I dunno what other posts he removed, but some people here take their bias way too far.

And btw, and I hope this will be the closing comment, taken from another forum, and just about sums up how ridiculous some fanboys get.

No need for nVIDIA to cheat when they already own the performance/IQ crown for around a year now.
think people THINK!

IBTL.

[LowRun]

How are cheat pictures off topic? why is a thread against nvidia a flame? I thought the purpose of a forum was to discuss things. why is there no discussion allowed?

I could understand if the posts in question were offensive. You should not censor a thread because you don't like the comments, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and move on. nvidia wrote drivers that had a flaw when caught they released old drivers as a fix. if it had been ATI would you have been so heavy handed in the thread?

a moderator needs to be less biased. you can post your opinions and links disputing what others have said, but to just remove posts you do not have a rebuttal for is childish.

And as for the driver fix, n-zone and crysis sites still urge you to download 169.04 as the driver. also reveiw sites are sent that driver.


I find it sad that nvidias company sponsored sites didn't censor the comments in their thread but XtremeSystems did.

QFT

[DilTech]

How are cheat pictures off topic? why is a thread against nvidia a flame? I thought the purpose of a forum was to discuss things. why is there no discussion allowed?

I could understand if the posts in question were offensive. You should not censor a thread because you don't like the comments, sometimes you just have to bite your lip and move on. nvidia wrote drivers that had a flaw when caught they released old drivers as a fix. if it had been ATI would you have been so heavy handed in the thread?

a moderator needs to be less biased. you can post your opinions and links disputing what others have said, but to just remove posts you do not have a rebuttal for is childish.

And as for the driver fix, n-zone and crysis sites still urge you to download 169.04 as the driver. also reveiw sites are sent that driver.


I find it sad that nvidias company sponsored sites didn't censor the comments in their thread but XtremeSystems did.

I deleted the images because, if you noticed, this thread has been volatile. Did you not notice the eruption of flames going both ways bringing up cheating on both sides from days gone past? In normal cases, whether this was about ATi or NVidia, a thread would be locked or removed entirely when this occurs, but I left it OPEN due to the fact that the outcome being as important as it is to everyone.

I guess you didn't notice all of that though, read through the thread again and you'll notice it though. Sorry if you think I'm being biased for trying to avoid an all out flame war and wanting to keep this thread open, but that's not the case at all. The thread isn't a flame, the thread was an important topic, and as such I want it to continue.

It's not being "censored" because I don't like the comments, it's being "censored" because I know where it'll lead as we've seen it happen who knows how many times.

Diltech deleted my post, but it wans't meant to flame on nVidia. Besides it was an old joke back from 2003. It had nothing to do with nvidia's crysis cheating drivers but it was just a joke. I thought even Diltech would have some humor.

It's funny, I laughed, I truly did. I removed it because this thread is as volatile as it has been, and I want the thread to remain open. That's it, plain and simple. Sorry if you took offense to it.

Wether you like it or not, it wasn't the place to post those pics, it was offtopic and could be considered spam. He is right. Even though it was hilarious. I dunno what other posts he removed, but some people here take their bias way too far.

Only posts I removed were the images, and the posts quoting the images.

[theteamaqua]

umm 169.04beta?? or 169.02 whql ... that new 163.75 doesnt work for me

[-thc-(cZ)]

The 192.02 are WHQL too? I don't need to play Crysis btw

edit: ok, so the 192.02 are WHQL now, but didn't used to be, but nvidia goes on and puts out the 193.75 WHQL on their website? :O

edit2: 192.02 WHQL only for 8-series? The one in here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=164741
does not want to install @ XP&GF7950