That's why I refrain from posting on this thread... little posts if any at allOriginally Posted by trans am
well that was fun while it lasted.
regardless. I just want to do some cold runs again. I dont really care how it does compared to sandy bridge I just want to do some cold again. I'm ready when bulldozer is.
I wish a mod would take this thread down. its so full of crap and just makes everyone look bad. just take it all down and start it when there is actually something to talk about.
move it to the wampateers gandalfoons section. its a complete joke. Just get it out of here. its not even news anymore its the national enquirer of CNN and fox news of bulldozer threads. i'm embarrassed to even be reading this horse crap. delete the thread...please.
Its embarrassing for XS and I cant believe its gone this far.
Last edited by trans am; 05-09-2011 at 05:06 PM.
dude this isn't bad.
the 3 Fermi threads got much worse
I can't check in on XS as often as I'd like, but every time I come into check on any news on BD, it seems the page count went up a few pages of RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE. I was kind of hoping the crowd this place drew was going to be above that, that we're ultimately about the performance of what we have inside our cases and being curious as to the performance of others within the community. It's like this great giant rift that blinds some people to some silly allegiance to where they placed their money and see nothing more.
Thats a nice idea, but no dice. If you want to see the good parts of the community here then head to the crunching sections. Otherwise you won't see anything different from any other site.I can't check in on XS as often as I'd like, but every time I come into check on any news on BD, it seems the page count went up a few pages of RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE. I was kind of hoping the crowd this place drew was going to be above that, that we're ultimately about the performance of what we have inside our cases and being curious as to the performance of others within the community. It's like this great giant rift that blinds some people to some silly allegiance to where they placed their money and see nothing more.
I second such motion
eh, fake.
Roughly 18 months from now I will have earned my associate's degree. The doctorate degree will be earned in additional 7-8 years. Sky is the limit if Bulldozer will see the light of day before the end of that time period. Blizzard Entertainment's next installment of the Starcraft 2 series will be on shelves in electronics stores before Bulldozer is listed for sale at newegg.
THINK ABOUT IT, WHY DONTCHA?
^^^ Just ridiculous^^^
It's already known that there are BD samples in the wild, and AMD will be debuting them at Computex in June....
I've been watching this thread too, and I agree with alot of you folks, theres plenty of BS to go around, especially coming from the Intel fans!
That being said, I'm not so sure that latest SS is fake (the one hacked from GiggleByte).
Yes, the SPi time is a big step up for AMD, but it doesn't really seem that far out of line considering the new uArch.
The WPrime score doesn't seem all that impressive (depending on actual clocks), hell, I can get close to that with my OC'd 1090T....
If someone was going to fake an AWESOME BD clock, why wouldn't they just go all the way?
Whether it's fake or not will be known with in the next few months, but BatteryOperated's statement smells of Intel fanboy to me and thats a big part of what's trashing this thread.
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No, good sir, I am not a fan boy.Whether it's fake or not will be known with in the next few months, but BatteryOperated's statement smells of Intel fanboy to me and thats a big part of what's trashing this thread.
Plainly speaking, I am not one for estimates and predicates and promises and what if's and could have been's.
"GOLLY WILBUR, DO YA THINK BULLDOZER CAN BEAT INTEL?"
It is a little hard to get excited over something that "could be."
Now, I realized before having responding to your observation my statement sounding like a fan boy, however this is not the case. I do not subscribe to the official party line. A hypothetical conversation demonstrating the "party line" or "team" mentality might read something like this:
<person named Joe q> Sony is the greatest video game console ever.
<person named Robert y> I am inclined to agree only partially. While I enjoyed games on PS1, titles offered on PS2 did not appeal to me, but I do enjoy PS3 quite a bit.
<person named Joe q> WTF?!?!?!?!?!?! you Xbox fan boy!!!
After 17 years watching AMD and Intel slide back and forth on the performance charts, predictions of high performance processor these days leaves me a little cold.
You specifically made a post saying that we won't see BD for 7 or 8 YEARS.
Please link the proof for your estimate.
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Specifying 7 or 8 years was and remains a completely arbitrary range.
After spending 17 years in tech, my expectations of what is[ and promises issued by AMD, Intel, nVidia, etc. are so cosmically removed from one another, that it would be very difficult indeed to disappoint me.
It might seem funny now, but on any occasion when I am not hyperventilating over the impending release of a lauded high performance product, I am promptly labeled a fan boy.
Your call for evidence is intriguing. It takes a little more than a person purportedly hiding behind an non-disclosure agreement(NDA) or screenshots of an engineering sample(es) to impress me. So far, gentlemen, none of this is exactly blowing my skirt up. Is there nothing even remotely substantial, beyond AMD's word, that Bulldozer will come out this year?
Last edited by BatteryOperated; 05-10-2011 at 05:54 PM.
dont know if i should laugh or cry
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Gees, actually ive been veyr entertianed by this whole thread. I guess we could get a real screenshot and not even know if its real anymore
Ill still stick to my theory, especially since every day theres new news of insider trading trial related to AMD, if AMD had a new processor that has the performance in that shot, the stock would be edging up alot already. That would be a huge game changer to me. If AMD had a processor that nearly equal to a 990X, theres way too many loose lips around all this. Its real easy.
RussC
Can't believe that screenshot is reliable, cuz there's too much "new" information on it, such as the CPUZ, the logo, the gigabyte board, etc. The superpi@1M result is too optimistic.
BTW, this site, rumorpedia, also leaked an internal Zambezi 3DMark test long time ago, which was too optimistic, too.
http://www.rumorpedia.net/amd-bulldo...hmarks-leaked/
EDIT:
The author update his article, for explanation:
Update:
Just to clarify few things:
It has few screenshtos merged together, hence the active windows.
MSN Chat talks about updated BIOS version which should fix readings.
DDR4 support changelog is not fur AMD Bulldozer.
Last edited by undone; 05-09-2011 at 10:04 PM.
Just wait for the launch...
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Yes, I'm waiting for Bulldozer launch....
I'm also waiting for Bulldozer.Yes, I'm waiting for Bulldozer launch....
This thread was interesting a few weeks back, but now some days I don't even bother to read the updates.
Anyway, here is some more Bulldozer humor.
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Anyway, here is some more Bulldozer humor.
ROG Power PCs - Intel and AMD
CPUs:i9-7900X, i9-9900K, i7-6950X, i7-5960X, i7-8086K, i7-8700K, 4x i7-7700K, i3-7350K, 2x i7-6700K, i5-6600K, R7-2700X, 4x R5 2600X, R5 2400G, R3 1200, R7-1800X, R7-1700X, 3x AMD FX-9590, 1x AMD FX-9370, 4x AMD FX-8350,1x AMD FX-8320,1x AMD FX-8300, 2x AMD FX-6300,2x AMD FX-4300, 3x AMD FX-8150, 2x AMD FX-8120 125 and 95W, AMD X2 555 BE, AMD x4 965 BE C2 and C3, AMD X4 970 BE, AMD x4 975 BE, AMD x4 980 BE, AMD X6 1090T BE, AMD X6 1100T BE, A10-7870K, Athlon 845, Athlon 860K,AMD A10-7850K, AMD A10-6800K, A8-6600K, 2x AMD A10-5800K, AMD A10-5600K, AMD A8-3850, AMD A8-3870K, 2x AMD A64 3000+, AMD 64+ X2 4600+ EE, Intel i7-980X, Intel i7-2600K, Intel i7-3770K,2x i7-4770K, Intel i7-3930KAMD Cinebench R10 challenge AMD Cinebench R15 thread Intel Cinebench R15 thread
Just to clarify few things:
It has few screenshtos merged together, hence the active windows.
MSN Chat talks about updated BIOS version which should fix readings.
DDR4 support changelog is not for AMD Bulldozer.
Update 2:
We have been contacted by GIGABYTE and they confirmed that the chat conversation and all the details are fake.
So, just waiting again...Superpi was too much awesome.
ROG Power PCs - Intel and AMD
CPUs:i9-7900X, i9-9900K, i7-6950X, i7-5960X, i7-8086K, i7-8700K, 4x i7-7700K, i3-7350K, 2x i7-6700K, i5-6600K, R7-2700X, 4x R5 2600X, R5 2400G, R3 1200, R7-1800X, R7-1700X, 3x AMD FX-9590, 1x AMD FX-9370, 4x AMD FX-8350,1x AMD FX-8320,1x AMD FX-8300, 2x AMD FX-6300,2x AMD FX-4300, 3x AMD FX-8150, 2x AMD FX-8120 125 and 95W, AMD X2 555 BE, AMD x4 965 BE C2 and C3, AMD X4 970 BE, AMD x4 975 BE, AMD x4 980 BE, AMD X6 1090T BE, AMD X6 1100T BE, A10-7870K, Athlon 845, Athlon 860K,AMD A10-7850K, AMD A10-6800K, A8-6600K, 2x AMD A10-5800K, AMD A10-5600K, AMD A8-3850, AMD A8-3870K, 2x AMD A64 3000+, AMD 64+ X2 4600+ EE, Intel i7-980X, Intel i7-2600K, Intel i7-3770K,2x i7-4770K, Intel i7-3930KAMD Cinebench R10 challenge AMD Cinebench R15 thread Intel Cinebench R15 thread
Do you seriously think they would say it was real, even if it was?We have been contacted by GIGABYTE and they confirmed that the chat conversation and all the details are fake.
So, just waiting again
Regarding SuperPi, there could be two or three things going on:
1. New architecture has more similar solutions to Intel and benefits from the same optimiations.
2. FlexGPU in all it's glory, it's a theoretical 100% improvment, if all the code was FP and localy non-serial. AFAIK, high precision calculations are such workload, but I could be wrong.
3. More L2 cache helps here (doubtable)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lHgbbM9pu4
Describes pretty much this thread at this point....
@DarthShader: as i said before (and many others have), there r 2 many mistakes on this ss 4 it 2 be real.
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While that image is almost certainly fake, it isn't worth discounting on the basis of its performance. We don't know how much, but we do know that it is more efficient per clock, supposedly, than K10 is. We've had Intel fanboys scream that it isn't since last year while JF has said clearly on more than one occasion that it is indeed faster per cycle per core. Granted, we don't have much context for that to know which kinds of workloads it is faster at if not all of them, but still.
Particle's First Rule of Online Technical Discussion:
As a thread about any computer related subject has its length approach infinity, the likelihood and inevitability of a poorly constructed AMD vs. Intel fight also exponentially increases.
Rule 1A:
Likewise, the frequency of a car pseudoanalogy to explain a technical concept increases with thread length. This will make many people chuckle, as computer people are rarely knowledgeable about vehicular mechanics.
Rule 2:
When confronted with a post that is contrary to what a poster likes, believes, or most often wants to be correct, the poster will pick out only minor details that are largely irrelevant in an attempt to shut out the conflicting idea. The core of the post will be left alone since it isn't easy to contradict what the person is actually saying.
When a poster cannot properly refute a post they do not like (as described above), the poster will most likely invent fictitious counter-points and/or begin to attack the other's credibility in feeble ways that are dramatic but irrelevant. Do not underestimate this tactic, as in the online world this will sway many observers. Do not forget: Correctness is decided only by what is said last, the most loudly, or with greatest repetition.
Rule 3:
When it comes to computer news, 70% of Internet rumors are outright fabricated, 20% are inaccurate enough to simply be discarded, and about 10% are based in reality. Grains of salt--become familiar with them.
Remember: When debating online, everyone else is ALWAYS wrong if they do not agree with you!
Random Tip o' the Whatever
You just can't win. If your product offers feature A instead of B, people will moan how A is stupid and it didn't offer B. If your product offers B instead of A, they'll likewise complain and rant about how anyone's retarded cousin could figure out A is what the market wants.
What do you expect from a rumor thread? Results and conclusions are challenged and argued in review threads of released products why would you expect a rumor thread to be any different? It's only logical that it's much worse.
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