AMD Radeon HD 6870 and HD 6850 confirmed to be launched on 22.10.2010

[Metroid]

If those prices at $179 and $239 are true... then more than 35% cheaper.

We're talking GTX470/5850 performance at $239 and > GTX 460 1GB performance at $179. Nvidia's margins are going to be in a world of hurt

Average price of the reference HD 5850 memory at 4.0 = $260, not taking the rebates into account. This is the same price AMD started last year at launch. So I would assume 35% cheaper than $260. So $260 - 35% which is $91. $260 - 91 = $169.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E&PageSize=100

Is this going to happen?

[zerazax]

Looks like the 6950/6970 and 6990 are going to be the official names

From that slide too, they played the 6950 > 5870 pretty clearly (though you shouldn't take too much stock in relative placements, I suppose). But that's good news, since that seems like the 6970 will be a 5970 performance in single GPU form... and lord knows how much power the 6990 will have.

Average price of the reference HD 5850 memory at 4.0 = $260, not taking the rebates into account. This is the same price AMD started last year at launch. So I would assume 35% cheaper than $260. So $260 - 35% which is $91. $260 - 91 = $169.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...E&PageSize=100

Is this going to happen?

Market prices and the card's relative performance are going to dictate that of course. The 5850, it turns out, was pretty underpriced on release (as was the 4800's). And AMD isn't exactly a charity here, and since Nvidia isn't doing much to compete, it ends up that AMD gets to dictate where they stand this round

[Gilgamesh]

Amd compare HD6870 with HD5850 for general performance "in game" and power, and with HD5870 for tessellation performance.

Yes, +35% performance/mm^2, HD6870 vs HD5850, but don't forget 900Mhz vs 725Mhz.

[AAbenson]

seems that AMD is going to make quite a money with these new series
...maybe thats what they were really after with the 68xx series,not so much to best the 5870.

[Jowy Atreides]

seems that AMD is going to make quite a money with these new series
...maybe thats what they were really after with the 68xx series,not so much to best the 5870.

But they have bested the 5870. This is the MID RANGE!
Why does everyone take their eye off the prize?

It's Cayman. Super Cayman ftw. 5970 single chip performance and all for the price of a second hand car.

The 6870 is replacing the 5770, when you think about that reality, it's a performance king.
Now think about where the 6970 will fit in terms of performance?

It's a case of being 35% more efficient for barts per watt. If the same is true for Cayman and if Cayman (as rumoured) ups the power use far more than the 5870 used.
We're talking a massive increase of speed.

[Macadamia]

More stuff: http://img26.imageshack.us/gal.php?g...pwwpbktq8t.jpg

[RPGWiZaRD]

Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870? With some OCing we're prolly looking at HD5870 performance or slightly above it which would be fairly acceptable for a ~$250 card.

[zerazax]

Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870?

Yep



Also, a key slide as to why the naming scheme changed. ATI pretty much decided Cypress couldn't cover the markets, so it was split in two. Antilles is going to be a beast

[WeiT.235]

Those last slide are interesting, AMD stating HD6850 being anywhere from 10 - 60% (~25% avg) faster except for Vantage obviously compared to GTX 460 768MB, so it should be like 10~15% faster in avg compared to 1GB version which would be in-line with my own speculation.

HD6870 being 25~30% avg faster than GTX 460 1GB, that is enough to put it around GTX 470 levels / in-between HD5850 & HD5870? With some OCing we're prolly looking at HD5870 performance or slightly above it which would be fairly acceptable for a ~$250 card.

Hey, these bench items are different between two slides, even the bench settings are different. Cherry pick results??

[RPGWiZaRD]

Hey, these bench items are different between two slides, even the bench settings are different. Cherry pick results??

Why would they include FarCry2 then for example? I think this time it looks quite fair.

[kaktus1907]

[Pantsu]

I suppose this is the explanation AMD gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against GTX 260.

[RPGWiZaRD]

Hopefully at least some1 is able to make a review of the following cards GTX 460 1GB, HD6850, GTX 470, HD5850, HD6870 and HD5870 with some OC results incl as well for Barts, that had been perfect.

[zerazax]

I suppose this is the explanation AMD gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against GTX 260.

Yeah it makes sense, though its not renaming. Kind of like how the 3800's were intended to fight the non-GTX cards, and the 4800's targeted the 260's, the 6800's are back to targeting the 460/470.

Of course, that makes it interesting because that means that AMD has decided to go ahead and fight for the single GPU crown again with Cayman and the 6900 series...

[Mechanical Man]

i suppose this is the explanation amd gives for the renaming. 5800 wasn't in the "sweet spot", like 4800-series. So 6800 would now be in the same category as 4800-series, which really was relatively small and cheap and battled against gtx 260.

What renaming!

[FischOderAal]

Did we have a naked HD6850 yet?


More pictures:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php...0106b0995.html

[donitsi]

Did we have a naked HD6850 yet?

PIC

Very pretty. Would be nice to run it naked

If i read this slide correctly, THERE WILL BE NO RENAMING, 57x0 will retain its name.

PIC

I agree

[FlawleZ]

Did we have a naked HD6850 yet?


More pictures:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.php...0106b0995.html

Nice. Looks like the same size as HD4850.

[Metroid]

I have seen these slides before.

By the slides, 6850 30% > 460 768MB, 6870 25% > 460 1GB.

460 768MB = $179 + 30% = 6850
460 1GB = $229 + 25% = 6870

Okay, so why will AMD release the 6870? The slides show that 6850 > 460 1GB, maybe for the GF112.

Beating a dead

AMD's slides are so hilarious.

[cegras]

I guess this goes to show you, 3dmark scores aren't really indicative of anything.

[RaV[666]]

If i read this slide correctly, THERE WILL BE NO RENAMING, 57x0 will retain its name.

[RPGWiZaRD]

This looks like a rather profitable lineup if you ask me, especially since NVIDIA doesn't have anything to counter it with for quite a while. HD57xx series staying as the lowend / lowcost series that should be very cheap to manufacture and a strong and complete lineup from Barts to Antilles which Nvidia will have no response for other than doing pricecuts which will hurt their margins even more. Looks like it sux to be Nvidia atm.

[xBanzai89]

Does this chip have any parts disabled? I know all the rumors were putting it at 1280 SP is all. Never heard much of anything for a 1120 SP part till now. Fud (I know I know) said it was still a 5D part. I don't know where the hell he pulled that one out. I haven't seen anything stating that yet.

[RaV[666]]

From the slide i put above we can estimate cayman performance too.AMD did positioned them accordingly, 5870 is ABOVE 6870.
6970 is looking to be same amount lower than 5970, so it should be a bit faster than 480 but not much.512SP version MAY match it.

[ilkkahy]

Those performance slides are good example of how people can be manipulated by simply cutting the 0-0.8 part from the bottom and visually it seems like 6870 is about 100% faster than GTX460. If Geforce would be notably faster in any bench it would ruin this scheme totally. You can naturally leave those kind of benchs away from the slide.

Nevertheless it seems that 6870 and 6850 will be excellent products if the price is right