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    OPB 's perspective of DFI SLI-DR Expert

    **UPDATE: For those who got the board and ready to rock, check this:

    Besure just plug in your ATX power and 12v 8 pins connector, listen very carefully for the chipset area. and turn on the psu swich on the rear side of the PSU. See if there is the weird sound like high frequency air blow, if yes. don't put your CPU on.


    Well, I know what you guys want. I start this thread is not what I wanna show off but help

    all users. So let's start it. I will post some pictures later.

    Preview:

    As far as I just talked to Oskar tonight, I was kinda surprised that he give me the hint that
    the memory timings for expert board and focus have been totally changed. Consequently,

    for those who are kinda lazy to find the best setting by just copy all from old nf4 series, you

    will be sorry I promise you. especially the TCCD users

    So what has been changed? yes, it all about "driving strength", you gotta try every setting

    bios have. It might take some time to find the best setting.
    So I ask oskar, what would be the key point about all the ram section tune up?
    "It's all up to Vdimm".
    He told me that answer I really believe that!!
    " For the Vidmm on the old nf4 series, which is abnormal that specially tune up for TCCD so

    that cause problem for other types of ram. Therefore, I was thinking about the balance

    and adjust something back! After carefully concern, still gave TCCD up ()

    So, Oskar's conclusion is :

    If you have BH/CH/UTT or even other types RAM, there is no surprised that

    you will get higher performance or some more FSB than previous DFI nf4 board.

    That's it? NO.., the other hint is Vcore WILL be more stable than old NF4 series as well.
    (not just little amount of stable)

    what about for extremely overclocker's concern, cold bug? Thank you for Tony's

    suggestion,however, Oskar has no such crazy cold cascade can try. and I will give that a

    try .


    ** Stay tune for next few hours about compatibilty and bios setting tune up bench.**

    OPB 11/11/2005
    ************************************************** ********

    **11/12 update.

    How to run TCCD 4 dimm 2t DDR600, ya I mean any TCCD, not just some sepcific brand on the Expert version:

    Oskar just let me know of that and show me the picture from his 3000+ and any tccd 4x512mb, and by te moment he show me this it's under super pi running.

    I only can say what he told me, not try to hide something.
    Driving strength 10~15 is better for two dimms.



    ************************************************** *******
    **[color=red]11/14/2005 update,

    ** below is BH/ch UTT type and TCCD setting I got for the general purpose
    you guys can take a reference.

    **Driving/data--->11/4, 166 divider, ram running @250mhz; and look at that

    BH/CH/UTT:

    bios date and model #





    TCCD DDR610 dual super pi 8m action and a64tweaker.
    the cpu frequcy showing on the mbm5 is wrong**
    Driving & data strength using: 10/4



    ************************************************** ******

    11/16/2005 OPB@hotel:

    from the prediction, then now I can show you guys this:
    be notice then, the trtw can be 1 now up to 260 for sure.
    driving &data strength: 8/4




    ************************************************** *******
    11/16 updated@ hotel

    test on 2gb Team group Micron
    look at the TRFC, MAL RP, also the vdimm on this...holy smokes..no extra cooling.

    ** I will have some other chip for 2gb set coming up

    1m:



    8m:



    32m in the mid:



    32m finished,


    ************************************************** ****
    11/18/2005 update. 4dimm 512mb 2 different brand names for ddr 520 2-2-2-5.
    ya mix them , no kidding
    Will do 32m later. (these 4 dimm are not the best bh I got)



    cpuz, take a look if 4 dimm got different brand

    Last edited by Onepagebook; 11-18-2005 at 07:34 PM.

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    i thought dfi had the extreme overclockers test the samples before they went into production
    thats the best idea i thought they ever had
    the extremists have clearly been very good to dfi as they are now an extremely well know brand

    if i was them i would order a nice cascade from a respected builder and teach their engineers how to use it
    especially since the cold bug is now the limiting factor for extreme overclocking
    and this situation does not appear to be resolving itself anytime soon

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    Quote Originally Posted by flytek
    i thought dfi had the extreme overclockers test the samples before they went into production
    thats the best idea i thought they ever had
    the extremists have clearly been very good to dfi as they are now an extremely well know brand

    if i was them i would order a nice cascade from a respected builder and teach their engineers how to use it
    especially since the cold bug is now the limiting factor for extreme overclocking
    and this situation does not appear to be resolving itself anytime soon
    Great idea, but now, for the driving and data strength set as 1/1 in terms of "cold-bug" solution is merely an assumption.

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    Thanks OPB. DFI Expert will be my next mobo. for sure. Hopefully will get it by next week.

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    yeah then let's see some 4ghz benches under -1xx°C

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    As a BH-5/UTT lover I can just cry out "wonderful"
    away & gone

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    yeah if this board is capable of runningg bh-5/utt at higher freq. i'll buy it
    the fixing if the sub-zero issue would be a nice feature ,too.

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    can you should us the impact of drive strength on clocks and stability....and whatever else it impacts
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinos22
    can you should us the impact of drive strength on clocks and stability....and whatever else it impacts


    I don't quite get that.what do you mean?

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    Where the is my board? I'll be calling you in a little bit Kev.......

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    i want one too!

    also, am i reading what you wrote correctly, and the Expert isn't optimized for TCCD as much as the older dfi nf4 boards? if so, that's a very interesting move on DFI's part. I suppose the popularity of 1gb sticks recently may have effected this greatly. how about testing those Xtreem sticks you got recently in this Expert?

    good luck with it Kevin
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    Hmm I guess I need someone to donate me some BH/CH/UTT sinds I'm one of the few people who has it.
    And that about the old tune up guide for tccd not proplerly working any more , thats really intressintg since I used that today and got my memory much higher that i've gotten before ( but then again that was an crapy abit an8 fatal1ty sli). Got to +- 300mhz , but still tweaking out here.
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    Hi OPB,

    If you have time could you try the gskill 2gb gbzx with your expert dfi ?

    I will receive my board earliest at the end of the next week with this ram so ...

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomati
    Hi OPB,

    If you have time could you try the gskill 2gb gbzx with your expert dfi ?

    I will receive my board earliest at the end of the next week with this ram so ...

    Thanks
    He doesn't have the ZX......

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    But I got this just lazy to post yet...

    Gskill? if they are willing to ship me the sample lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by s7e9h3n
    He doesn't have the ZX......
    Ok , thanks

    I will report my result as soon as I get my setup .



    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook

    Gskill? if they are willing to ship me the sample lol

    don't you work for them ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tomati
    don't you work for them ?
    Not anymore

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    what might be the best ram for the Board?
    maybe OCZ Gold EL?

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    Kev as per your statement................show us WHY it is all about drive strength


    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook
    As far as I just talked to Oskar tonight, I was kinda surprised that he give me the hint that
    the memory timings for expert board and focus have been totally changed. Consequently,

    for those who are kinda lazy to find the best setting by just copy all from old nf4 series, you

    will be sorry I promise you. especially the TCCD users

    So what has been changed? yes, it all about "driving strength", you gotta try every setting

    bios have.
    It might take some time to find the best setting.
    So I ask oskar, what would be the key point about all the ram section tune up?
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    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....
    wa.. that SUX... I hope he can RMA those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....

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    This is not the news I want to hear :\

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    end0 looks like cancel order button is near.........................that would also explain the lack of posts by WWM



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    Heh, too bad I paid my pre-order 2 months ago. If there's problems theres no way im risking my 57, ill borrow a 3000 from work to test it out on

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    Ouch, that blows big time.

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    NOOO!!!! That sucks so bad!!

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    argggh , what a bad news .

    OPB hope you to will be able to get new cpus by dfi or amd , don't know how it works it this case.
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    Well hopefully OPB can figure out what exactly caused the cpu's to be kia, and that its either a simple mod or bios update

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    Quote Originally Posted by Onepagebook
    Well, I know what you guys want. I start this thread is not what I wanna show off but help

    all users. So let's start it. I will post some pictures later.

    Preview:

    As far as I just talked to Oskar tonight, I was kinda surprised that he give me the hint that
    the memory timings for expert board and focus have been totally changed. Consequently,

    for those who are kinda lazy to find the best setting by just copy all from old nf4 series, you

    will be sorry I promise you. especially the TCCD users

    So what has been changed? yes, it all about "driving strength", you gotta try every setting

    bios have. It might take some time to find the best setting.
    So I ask oskar, what would be the key point about all the ram section tune up?
    "It's all up to Vdimm".
    He told me that answer I really believe that!!
    " For the Vidmm on the old nf4 series, which is abnormal that specially tune up for TCCD so

    that cause problem for other types of ram. Therefore, I was thinking about the balance

    and adjust something back! After carefully concern, still gave TCCD up ()

    So, Oskar's conclusion is :

    If you have BH/CH/UTT or even other types RAM, there is no surprised that

    you will get higher performance or some more FSB than previous DFI nf4 board.

    That's it? NO.., the other hint is Vcore WILL be more stable than old NF4 series as well.
    (not just little amount of stable)

    what about for extremely overclocker's concern, cold bug? Thank you for Tony's

    suggestion,however, Oskar has no such crazy cold cascade can try. and I will give that a

    try .


    ** Stay tune for next few hours about compatibilty and bios setting tune up bench.**

    OPB
    Hi, OnePageBook,
    I'm glad to see how the Vdimm performs, NF4-D's Vdimm is unstable at 3.8V and above
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    so the new revision board from dfi looks like it has a large stomach for cpu's.

    this is not good at all, if it continues like this then i will have to wait for m2 (dont want n00bish layout of an8-32 sli).

    i realy hope this can be sorted out soon, my rig is so slooooooooooooow.

    hope OPB and WWM can get some luck with these dark problems...
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    Tony says he's rotated in about 3 CPU's so far and has had no problems, although he also says that he always sets manual vcore, which could be the fix to the problem..

    Here's his post:
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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....
    ouch
    ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....




    Man, that SUCKS!

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    Ouch. I thought they improved the power design on this board? Evidentally not.
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    I know this is about the SLI-DR Expert, but with my DFI RDX200, I feel like a beta tester

    Sorry to hear you lost two CPUs, OPB. Luckily mine isn't dead just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentential
    Ouch. I thought they improved the power design on this board? Evidentally not.
    Depends on what you understand for "improved power design"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    OPB cant get online atm he just lost his FX-57 and his X2 4600 cuz of a faulty eXpert mobo. S7e9h3n will post updates asap.....
    you serious ? that X2 i know Kevin really loves too!
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    Quote Originally Posted by eva2000
    you serious ? that X2 i know Kevin really loves too!
    Well stephen says he is really bummed out over it... That 4600 was a god like chip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    Well stephen says he is really bummed out over it... That 4600 was a god like chip.
    that's gotta suck.. awesome X2..


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    More info soon?

    Sorry to hear.

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    Man that sucks... Sorry for your losses OPB DFI really dropped the ball with these new boards.
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    Yeah, it's too bad I preordered this board too. I think I'll manually set the Vcore, just to be sure. Anyone know about RMAing the proc's at least? Does AMD cover it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by njkid32
    Well stephen says he is really bummed out over it... That 4600 was a god like chip.
    Hmm, same X2 he it 10K on pc mk 04 with ?

    Funny thing is though being Expert has same power design as RDX-200.
    I have had my FX55 ClawHammer on Vapo LS running at 1.772Vcore
    with no issues to report on the rdx.
    Could this be more of an isolated matter to newer 90nm chips ??
    Last edited by Dynasty; 11-11-2005 at 11:10 PM.

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    i think we need a larger group of results before saying that.. but it could be a possibility at this stage..(90nm CPU)


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    Are all these fried cases from auto % increase Vcore settings? Sounds like there's a loop filter with a little too much BW

    Seriously, this is starting to concern me as I've already got a tracking number for mine so the clock is ticking. Has there been anyone that lost a CPU with fixed/manual Vcore?

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    I am up and talking with Oskar,
    I am pretty sure it's not his prob.
    I have known him for while, he is the most aggressive RD I have never seen.
    I will ship all my stuff directly to him and do analyze on them.

    I do apologize that I gave you guys hype and now things turn out like that.
    I strongly believe this is single case not related to batch
    I will have the board oskar sent me yesterday on Monday or tuesday.
    I am gonna challenge it again. and see what happen.


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    mike lost 3 CPUS
    sampsa lost a 57 on the sapphire board

    This isn't some isolated issue. There's something seriously wrong with these new boards.
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    Is there any coverage or insurance for these things (lost super CPUs)? I mean with a CPU like that, I'd get it insured somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by afireinside
    mike lost 3 CPUS
    sampsa lost a 57 on the sapphire board

    This isn't some isolated issue. There's something seriously wrong with these new boards.
    more specifically....mike lost CPUs on 2 completely seperate systems. 2/2 of the boards he got killed processors.

    Heres a question.....there are 20 of these boards on these forums at most and 1/5 is killing processors...how could they not notice this in internal testing or are we beta testers? This high of a % just isnt chance. Sampsa's wasnt even overclocked...
    Last edited by zabomb4163; 11-12-2005 at 12:11 AM.

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    I don't know honestly,
    I have been very royal to AMD since my first PC.lol
    but tonight, I feel really bad..I mean really bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zabomb4163
    more specifically....mike lost CPUs on 2 completely seperate systems. 2/2 of the boards he got killed processors.

    Heres a question.....there are 20 of these boards on these forums at most and 1/5 is killing processors...how could they not notice this in internal testing or are we beta testers? This high of a % just isnt chance. Sampsa's wasnt even overclocked...

    I was not even got into BIOS yet.

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