3800+ Venice Screenies (Post #1 = FAQ)

[tritium]

s7e9h3n,
Thanks for the info concerning these new processors
Guys(Gals) like you make xtremesystems the place to be.

Concerning P95: What constitutes stability? -- Being able to use your computer the way you want to. I am a scientist, I use my computer for many purposes. I even use it to calculate Monte Carlo simulations concerning particle transport. It has not failed me yet even though it is not P95 stable.

[Razor_cut]

Since the Venice cores are gona be awailibly for end of april in sweden. When is it gone be reachable in the states?

/Cherio!

Let the man get a rest, the next intresting test would be with a DFI kard. Hope he have one home. :

[alexio]

4th of april in us, I think Newegg will have them as one of the first in the us.

[J-Mag]

Now don't get me wrong - I'm into testing/benching my systems just as much as the next guy - but whoa, that is truly going a bit overboard. And besides, if you're gonna test the capabilities of a system, you're not pushing hard enough if you're not borderline BSOD

This post was back a few pages here, but I missed out on some posting during the St. Patty's evening.

SO, allow me to retort. I have to disagree that it is going overboard because you can do a different type of testing. Prime95 tests are usually less BSOD prone because you aren't pushing the limit. You probably wouldn't even have to check it all that often... I log into my machine at home from work all the time ( I try to keep my bandwidth maxed out ). It is a little laggy trying to log into a prime95'in machine, but it can be done.

[odb]

since i dont wanna filter through 17pages of benchmark requests and etc... what was the verdict on the venice chip with subzero temps?

[mad mikee]

Even when S&M makes it all the way through, OCCT dies on me w/in 2 hours

[REDKEN]

With temps going so low, Is it going to be worth getting an FX57 if you are not going to get the below 0c?
Most people with good air or water will be reaching the same speeds with a diego than with an FX, right? What would be the benefits on the FX on these new cores?

[J-Mag]

Concerning P95: What constitutes stability? -- Being able to use your computer the way you want to. I am a scientist, I use my computer for many purposes. I even use it to calculate Monte Carlo simulations concerning particle transport. It has not failed me yet even though it is not P95 stable.

Note: Even though this a slight tangent, I beleive it pertains to the importance of the testing of this chip.

I totally agree and think that most people know you can be clocked higher than prime stable and run other apps/games without a problem.

However, since we all know this we can add that factor to the baseline of a prime95 test. For instance: my winnie is prime95 stable at 2.4ghz 266 1:1, but i know I can run it at 2.55 for most apps without crashing. It is by far easier to use prime95.

The more varied types of tests used the better, IMO.

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

With temps going so low, Is it going to be worth getting an FX57 if you are not going to get the below 0c?
Most people with good air or water will be reaching the same speeds with a diego than with an FX, right? What would be the benefits on the FX on these new cores?

AFAIK the FX-57 will have also the 0.09 SAN DIEGO core, but more cache so if You have a big wallet go for it and get it on single phase.........

[krille]

Why not? SPi is enough. Who cares about stability here, there are no rewards for stable systems. That's why this site isn't called "xtreme stable systems.org."

It's called xtremesystems.org cause that's shorter. Period.

[wfarid]

wow great job s7e9h3n keep it up!

[krille]

AFAIK the FX-57 will have also the 0.09 SAN DIEGO core, but more cache so if You have a big wallet go for it and get it on single phase.........

Sorry for double post mods, but we need to straighten things out here. Venice is E3 with 512KB L2 cache. (1=128,2=256,3=512,4=1024,of which the lower are for semprons and the E is for revision E w/ SSE3, tampered mem controller (we hope) and w/out the sub-zero bug.) The E4 "San Diego" has 1MB L2 of cache - no matter whether you go 4200+ or FX-57. It *might* also be that diegos are gonna use sSOI (Strained Silicon On Isulator) production process, which allows for higher clocks (especially sub-zero, or so I've heard).

The big thing about the FX-57 though (compared to its diego sisters) is that it's the cream of the puff - they're binned the highest of all, also they've an unlocked multi (which is could turn out useful in certain cases). Also, AMD are usually extra generous when it comes to the warranty of the FXs - if you pay the price you can also expect the most. Other than that, any locked diego would probably be fine as well.

(Not all of the above stuff is confirmed, feel free to flame.)

[HARDCORECLOCKER]

Sorry for double post mods, but we need to straighten things out here. Venice is E3 with 512KB L2 cache. (1=128,2=256,3=512,4=1024,of which the lower are for semprons and the E is for revision E w/ SSE3, tampered mem controller (we hope) and w/out the sub-zero bug.) The E4 "San Diego" has 1MB L2 of cache - no matter whether you go 4200+ or FX-57. It *might* also be that diegos are gonna use sSOI (Strained Silicon On Isulator) production process, which allows for higher clocks (especially sub-zero, or so I've heard).

The big thing about the FX-57 though (compared to its diego sisters) is that it's the cream of the puff - they're binned the highest of all, also they've an unlocked multi (which is could turn out useful in certain cases). Also, AMD are usually extra generous when it comes to the warranty of the FXs - if you pay the price you can also expect the most. Other than that, any locked diego would probably be fine as well.

(Not all of the above stuff is confirmed, feel free to flame.)

SRY - if You are right with Your "E" theory it was my bad - then the cache might be the same..........

[krille]

SRY - if You are right with Your "E" theory it was my bad - then the cache might be the same..........

That seems only logical in this case. However, I'm quite sure about the numbers just can't remember from where I got it. Let's hope for the sSOI though!

[[XC] leviathan18]

i tought that sSOI was just first for .90nm FX and then they will use it for other chips, seems logical because fx are top of the line and the fx 57 first 90nm production fx will need the sSOI to scale further.

but im not 100% sure where i read that and they said that soi was limited to 3.0ghz and that is why they go for sSOI

[terrace215]

i tought that sSOI was just first for .90nm FX and then they will use it for other chips, seems logical because fx are top of the line and the fx 57 first 90nm production fx will need the sSOI to scale further.

but im not 100% sure where i read that and they said that soi was limited to 3.0ghz and that is why they go for sSOI

No, "sSOI" was first incorporated in a few top 130nm parts (FX-55 and 4000+), as well as all 90nm parts.

DSL (2nd gen strain) is going to be worked in to certain (maybe all) 90nm lines throughout H105.

I don't think they ever said that SOI was limited to 3GHz, but strain certainly does help with power and speed.

[Caper]

Right now all I have to say is...I miss a new post from s7e9h3n

[Joe Camel]

Why not? SPi is enough. Who cares about stability here, there are no rewards for stable systems. That's why this site isn't called "xtreme stable systems.org."

ok, so lets host this sight on a server that isnt stable and crashes every 20 min, and then we'll see who cares about stability


GOOD LUCK s7e9h3n, your a swimmer with a paper-cut in a tank of STARVING sharks

[nebuchanezzar]

Nice info on the new CPU but I would like to know also what your best prime stable is...just for an hour not some 24 hour marathon....usually anything flaky dies in under 10 minutes and yes I can run some things higher than prime stable but I like knowing if something messes up that odds are it's not my OC....I hate BSODs and am not into suicide shots myself but to each his own. I'm more impressed by 24/7 numbers.

[VulgarHandle]

first post on this forum, 4th or 5th overclocking forum i'm registered with

first off, s7e9h3n, you and i need to be friends.....
great thread u got going here, keep it up, can't wait to see your 4x256 results, 3500+ venice results, and memory controller results

alot of you are speculating on the PR releases of the venice/san diego, i personally check http://www.c627627.com/AMD/Athlon64/ to see what's coming out/when/with what, don't know how accurate it is, but it sure is purty

hope to have many good conversations/debates w/ all of you

[SAE]

Welcome to xtreme, Molester!

I am also eager to see results with 4 sticks and 1T

[$0m#0n#]

Welcome to xtreme, Molester!

I am also eager to see results with 4 sticks and 1T

4x256MB BH-5

[krille]

Welcome Molester, nice name there.

And we're all dying to see 4xDIMMs!

Cheers!

[s7e9h3n]

Wow, I don't check this thread for half-a-day and I now can't find where I had left off last time. I didn't really feel up to a hard-core benching day yesterday so I basically ran a few tests here and there. First thing I did was try 4x256Mb Bh-5 on the board. My current board DOES have the cold-boot issue and a non-start initially isn't a big deal. But I ended up sitting there trying for about 5-10minutes to get to the bootscreen - NO GO. I don't know for sure, but it seems as if there's a problem (maybe with my neo2) with BH-5 and this setup regardless the number of mem slots occupied. I was able to boot with 2x256, but this even took longer than usual. Trust me, the bh-5 is able to perform once booted, but it acts oddly with the setup. Here's the biggest issue I can't figure out - Check out this screenshot and tell me if you've ever seen this happen:

[[XC] leviathan18]

i think if you pay I.E 180$ for a 3200 and yo can take it to 3.2ghz stable then you will see stabilty matters because you are getting the most of that 180$ that you expend in the cpu and you have a nice upgrade made by OC not everything is bigger numbers :P

(is so difficult 4 me when i have to write in past future and present in the same sentence just dont mind my mistakes sorry :S)