Xtreme Twinmos Memory!

[blinky]

the same machine is used by many companies, hell... winbond probably sold theirs to another company when they stopped making dram, or... whoever took them over (infineon?) is using those machines.

[//mAr]

difference between speed premium and twinmos/twinmos is only that speed premium are rated 4,4ns and twinmos/twinmos 5ns but exactly the same chips...

alex from hardwareluxx.de working for twinmos said there that all new speed premium should be winbond UTT.

[enzoR]

the link in your sig is down

[tictac]

difference between speed premium and twinmos/twinmos is only that speed premium are rated 4,4ns and twinmos/twinmos 5ns but exactly the same chips...

alex from hardwareluxx.de working for twinmos said there that all new speed premium should be winbond UTT.

very nice info there

Thanks m8

[enzoR]

id like to know if these UTT chips work with any divider past 265fsb on intel chipsets?

[esdee]

Esdee, how long have you had this theory about the UTT blank?

just noticed the similarities in the two chips (Winbonds Vs VX) ... nothing more. Then Hipro5 said something about Winbond UTT (UnTesTed?) chips.That's all, when i had the change i just put them under serious voltage ... !

[hipro5]

Why would you worry about OCZ being pissed? After all, weren't you among the first ten to buy retail VX? You have no obligations to them do you?

As for the circles...you've stated that yours don't have the "dimples" but no one else has made that comment. The picture of the OCZ VX that was in one of the other threads had the dimples...I wonder why yours don't. Does anyone else have OCZ VX without dimples/circles (or with for that matter)?

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22041&stc=1

ignore "thumbnail", use link.

The photo you have attached is with Winbond ICs for sure........

[Reefa_Madness]

Over at OC Forums, where I mostly hang out, there was a thread in which one of the OCZ guys kept saying that the VX chip was not a Winbond chip, but many of us kept thinking that the physical similarities were difficult to overlook. It was stated by OCZ's rep that they had previously tried to get Winbond to start production again but had been unsuccessful and that in fact, the machines to manufacture, as well as the plans for the machines had been "lost" and that not even Winbond's engineers knew how to make them again. Those statements where a little difficult to accept.

Well, I guess that they (the machines) have been "found"...maybe in the back corner of their manufacturing plant or possibly in a box in the janitor's utility closet.

In any event, the bottom line is that there is Winbond to be played with again. Which brings up a related topic...hipro, what's the status of your Maximizer?

I think the demand for that product has just gone up!

[enzoR]

well their Infineon chips made on winbonds old machines

[trans am]

Exactly, Winbond is making chips for Infineon. So why wouldn't Winbond make chips for others? And that picture of the vx ic's. that has the circles. I can assure you mine doesn't have the circles, so something is very strange there. I was one of the 1st to get the VX, and no dimples, is this a later stick maybe? It has the same date as the twinmos I bought. How would some have the circles and some do not? Maybe they were trying to blanket the circles in the begining, but the price and hassle wasn't worth it so they stopped? Anyway, it doesn't matter, what really matters is that the 512 sticks we ordered do just as good.

[enzoR]

i think OCZ was trying to hide the circles as thats classical winbond

[gulp35]

Another thing I noticed is that the OCZ VX shown in the last Link ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22041&stc=1 ) has 0446 as a date (same as trams am) and has a 50 at the end of the chip code (like esdee's 50D chips). Again this might only be a coincidence, but it could also mean that trans am's memory is rated faster than the OCZ VX. However, OCZ may be being conservative with the ratings.

I've heard alot saying that the 2 dimples are not only found in windbond chips but also several others (can't name any right now I just woke up) because they are a marking given by a certain type of chip-making machine (sort of like the cicles of flashing found on plastic army men).

[trans am]

I just noticed that we are in a new thread catagory. "Xtreme Bandwidth" cool thanks for new long overdue memory overclocking catagory!!! it's about time

[enzoR]

Another thing I noticed is that the OCZ VX shown in the last Link ( http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...id=22041&stc=1 ) has 0446 as a date (same as trams am) and has a 50 at the end of the chip code (like esdee's 50D chips). Again this might only be a coincidence, but it could also mean that trans am's memory is rated faster than the OCZ VX. However, OCZ may be being conservative with the ratings.

I've heard alot saying that the 2 dimples are not only found in windbond chips but also several others (can't name any right now I just woke up) because they are a marking given by a certain type of chip-making machine (sort of like the cicles of flashing found on plastic army men).

i think thats jsut coincidence. maybe winbond puts the date on UTT chips but no ns rateing or anything. thats up to the people that test them.

[Reefa_Madness]

I have always heard that Infineon bought out Winbond's DRAM business and got their equipment but the level of confirmation on that was always just hearsay, never actually read anything verifiable, but now that appears to either be incorrect or Infineon just bought a portion or some of their equipment. Does anyone have information on this? Clearly, based on that news release linked below, Winbond is now making ICs FOR Infineon and selling the excess. This release was dated back in August of 2004 so it appears that these chips are now making their way into production or at least working their way into the spotlight.

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...0000055550.htm

Edit - Mostly already posted by others by the time I found the link.

[trans am]

I have always heard that Infineon bought out Winbond's DRAM business and got their equipment but the level of confirmation on that was always just hearsay, never actually read anything verifiable, but now that appears to either be incorrect or Infineon just bought a portion or some of their equipment. Does anyone have information on this? Clearly, based on that news release linked below, Winbond is now making ICs FOR Infineon and selling the excess. This release was dated back in August of 2004 so it appears that these chips are now making their way into production or at least working their way into the spotlight.

http://www.globalsources.com/gsol/I/...0000055550.htm

I called Infineon yesterday and Winbond, I mentioned what the deal is earlier in the thread.

[//mAr]

id like to know if these UTT chips work with any divider past 265fsb on intel chipsets?

running fine 5:4 @ ai7 @ 320 FSB
FSB:RAM
320Mhz FSB : 256Mhz Ram


winbond isn't dead, winbond is only obligated that they don't use their prints/logos on the ram and produce for infineon with infineon technology

[enzoR]

5:4? ive never heard of a mobo that can run 5:4 past 300fsb. not even hipro's ic7

[bias_hjorth]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max

[esdee]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max

not yet ... i hope ill have more than 10 sticks and a maximizer at the end of the week to test

btw my PSU (stock not modded) freaked out! 12V rail was 13.7V 5Vrail 5.7V. (who needs psu volt mods!!! )and when the booster was showing 3.5V actual voltage was 4.7 (yep i said four point seven) for more than an hour!!! ... RAM-CPU-BOARD remained undamanged !

[gulp35]

There was a post showing some kingston memory a little while back that said it had these chips, what did kingston relabel them as?

[trans am]

Say has anyone seen some kickass results yet or are the 260mhz around max

Why? Is 270mhz @2-2-2 1T for $39.00 not kickass enough for you? Seriously, what are you expecting man?

[enzoR]

the final test to see if this is the same chips as VX it to test on an intel platform and see how far they get at 2-2-2-5. if they dont go very far 220-235, try at 3-2-2-5 if they reach speeds of 250 and above then these are the same chips

[esdee]

the final test to see if this is the same chips as VX it to test on an intel platform and see how far they get at 2-2-2-5. if they dont go very far 220-235, try at 3-2-2-5 if they reach speeds of 250 and above then these are the same chips

check the previous hipro5's posts..!

[bias_hjorth]

Why? Is 270mhz @2-2-2 1T for $39.00 not kickass enough for you? Seriously, what are you expecting man?

Simple - Something that beats EB´s and BH5 - 1gb btw.
270mhz 2-2-2-5 or what have you, has been around for ages. Usually I like technology to evolve. Not just to get another replacement if you catch my drift.