You don't buy a +$500 card to run FXAA at 1080p...Originally Posted by GoldenTiger
Hotter and louder than Fermi? Completely false... It actually pulls less power than Fermi.
It boosts over 900mhz consistently in gaming situations. So that is false.
There have been tens of thousands shipped by partners.
Tiny amounts? You do realized how many are on a pallet that gets shipped to the etailers, right?
Sorry, Nvidia just evened the playing field, they didn't take any sort of advantage.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
You do if you don't like alpha and shader aliasing which is far worse than edge aliasing, most people know this. Most people running 1080p don't run 60hz nowadays, or they'd be on an IPS panel instead including 1080p 60hz or 2560x1440 60-120hz.
Hotter/louder indeed, power consumption is a different thing.
It boosts on some non-preheated ones to that but when pre-heated or in actual gaming it often falls to 800-900mhz as I said, rather than 1ghz.
Tens of thousands shipped? Doubt it since newegg seems to receive 5-10 at a time and thus sells out quickly due to the tiny quantity
$500 + 100 or more worth of games (ignoring the shield coupon) versus 550 + no games... with similar performance but better acoustics/thermals, most people will go for the better-priced option. Don't get me wrong, I am VERY glad we're seeing good competition finally, it's only a good thing for us as end-users!
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But speaking of stagnant CPU innovation, a lot of people have completely overlooked just how far along peripherals have come quietly in the background. I just got a Corsair K95 and holyis a mechanical keyboard a massive upgrade over the previous ergonomic one. It's interesting that it's almost more comfortable to type with, because even though I sacrificed the wrist support, the keys are just so damn responsive. Or you could look at the Korean 1440p monitors and how SSDs are finally affordable. Just in general I think there's a lot of nifty stuff that's been rolling out without much noise
I agree on this one... went from a 2560x1600 CCFL 30" panel to a much less expensive 27" 2560x1440 LED panel that can do 110hz and LOVE it. Also grabbed a mechanical keyboard with Cherry MX Brown switches, added O-ring dampers and it's amazingly comfy to type on (I use a wrist wrest with it). Been using SSD's since 2008 I think it was, but they've gotten to really good pricing and capacities at this point. Peripherals and less-glorified parts have definitely come a long way, no question.But speaking of stagnant CPU innovation, a lot of people have completely overlooked just how far along peripherals have come quietly in the background. I just got a Corsair K95 and holy
In guru3d and techpowerup, in gaming loads, they pull more or similar amounts gtx 480. Maybe only by 20 watts at times, but that still more. Thus to make an educated guess that 290x consumes as much as fermi is pretty safe to assume.
In addition they both operate at 95 degree and at that point, 290x still continue to throttle in test by HARDOCP. Hardocp had to set the fans beyond the uber limits to stop it from throttling and where it can maintain 1000mhz.
At this point, they actually beat Titan significantly(10% maybe), but noise goes up beyond fermi levels, beyond dual cards.
So it is very much a fermi, but Nvidia had a better excuse for it. That being, it was generation one silicon and it was even bigger than 290x is. AMD has lots of experience with 28nm and they are designing a refinement of GCN rather than a whole new architecture like fermi.
The amount of heat it can generate is spectacular.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=...10&postcount=2
An overclocked a 290x can get even in the 80's C with water cooling, I have never seen a card do that.
Add in the overvolt overclock studying with techpowerup and 290x is indeed piping hot.
Last edited by tajoh111; 10-30-2013 at 07:57 PM.
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So similar to Fermi, not worse. Fermi fan does a good 65-70db at stock. I didn't see 290x going over 60db.
Nvidia's excuse was they had a broken architecture that could barely beat a chip almost half the size. Nvidia simply didn't have a choice.
AMD made a decision and decided to set the limits to where they did to balance the design.
That 80C is false. If you believe that, well then I can't help you.
Originally Posted by motown_steve
Every genocide that was committed during the 20th century has been preceded by the disarmament of the target population. Once the government outlaws your guns your life becomes a luxury afforded to you by the state. You become a tool to benefit the state. Should you cease to benefit the state or even worse become an annoyance or even a hindrance to the state then your life becomes more trouble than it is worth.
Once the government outlaws your guns your life is forfeit. You're already dead, it's just a question of when they are going to get around to you.
Considering the power consumption scaling we have seen, I could see it being that hot. Wizard was already when applying just a bit more voltage and overclocking to 1190mhz. His system, consumed 650(originally 400) watts which meant the card was consuming 550watts. This was at 1.26 volts. An overvolted gtx 780 lightning consumed less than 400 watts for the whole systems so(300 watts in total) in the same test and it was overvolted even more and was clocked higher as well. I have seen people clock their cards at for a 1.4volts for a 290x under air, so if someone feels they want to push water even more and if anything else is in the loop, I could see it being overwhelmed and reaching those temps. Some of Intels hotter chips are capable of reaching 80 in water when sufficiently clocked. I have just looking around and fermi could pushing near 70 in a water cooling loop when stressed. And don't think, its capable of drinking as much power as an overclocked 290x. I would be scared to see what kind of voltage this thing can drink down at greater than 1.4 volts. I don't think we have anything use as much power as a 290x as far as power consumption going up as we overclock further.
Also According to tech powerup, in ubermode the card is just as loud as a gtx 480. Both cards are 9 decibels above a gtx 580.
You might hate to admit it but Thermi and 290x have a lot of common as far as thermals and temp. It almost striking.
Last edited by tajoh111; 10-30-2013 at 09:45 PM.
Core i7 920@ 4.66ghz(H2O)
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4870x2 + 4890 in Trifire
2*640 WD Blacks
750GB Seagate.
- show me a gtx 780 that cant to 1250mhz
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