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[tajoh111]

Only messy because certain sites were posting rumors as facts...

It's messy because the "launch in Hawaii", revealed next to nothing about it, no dates, no gaming performance, no price. When the impression before hand was we were going to get that information. We got of all that info for the rebrands that people were not that interested in but not Hawaii.

The fact that most of the presentation was about rebranded products gives the impression of taking a pig and putting lots of make up on it.

Look at how disappointed people were with the presentation. If it wasn't for the Mantle unveil, the launch would have been a disaster. The point of a presentation is to get people informed and excited about the product. The presentation just didn't do that for Hawaii. Most of the hype and excitement for this product has been generated from supposed leaks and rumors.

AMD could have revealed a bit more. Nvidia let everyone know the specs of gk110, month and months before launch.

[LordEC911]

It's messy because the "launch in Hawaii", revealed next to nothing about it, no dates, no gaming performance, no price. When the impression before hand was were were going to get that information. We got of all that info for the rebrands that people were not that interested in but not Hawaii.

The fact that most of the presentation was about rebranded products gives the impression of taking a pig and putting lots of make up on it.

Look at how disappointed people were with the presentation. If it wasn't for the Mantle unveil, the launch would have been a disaster. The point of a presentation is to get people informed and excited about the product. The presentation just didn't do that for Hawaii. Most of the hype and excitement for this product has been generated from supposed leaks and rumors.

AMD could have revealed a bit more. Nvidia let everyone know the specs of gk110, month and months before launch.

All you had to do was look at the name of the event... "AMD GPU14 Tech Day Event - Sept 25'th"

Also, Nvidia didn't release specs of GK110 "months and months before launch," they simply revealed specs of the GPU meant for other markets.

[BababooeyHTJ]

It's messy because the "launch in Hawaii", revealed next to nothing about it, no dates, no gaming performance, no price. When the impression before hand was were were going to get that information. We got of all that info for the rebrands that people were not that interested in but not Hawaii.

The fact that most of the presentation was about rebranded products gives the impression of taking a pig and putting lots of make up on it.

Look at how disappointed people were with the presentation. If it wasn't for the Mantle unveil, the launch would have been a disaster. The point of a presentation is to get people informed and excited about the product. The presentation just didn't do that for Hawaii. Most of the hype and excitement for this product has been generated from supposed leaks and rumors.

AMD could have revealed a bit more. Nvidia let everyone know the specs of gk110, month and months before launch.

Reminds me of bulldozer. They would have been better off staying tight lipped like they normally are before a product launch.

[tajoh111]

All you had to do was look at the name of the event... "AMD GPU14 Tech Day Event - Sept 25'th"

Also, Nvidia didn't release specs of GK110 "months and months before launch," they simply revealed specs of the GPU meant for other markets.

Only Charlie was saying that GK110 wasn't coming to desktop PC's initially. He was just being the ultra pessimistic douchebag that he is. I think everyone knew big keplar was coming, its was just a matter of time after the specs of gk110 were announced. Big chips don't have the best yields and leave a lot of candidates that aren't good enough to be in Tesla and quadro. What are they going to do with these chips? Throw them away?

That's even more dumb than just sitting on stock as you thought was ridiculous in the first place.

[Tha Last Meal]

AMD To Show Off Radeon R9 290X Video Card in Montreal Tomorrow!

If you’re in Montreal tomorrow you can get a sneak peak at the upcoming AMD Radeon HD R9 290X video card running on a 4K monitor! AMD will be hosting a public event at the Hilton Bonaventure hotel in the Jacques-Cartier meeting room in downtown Montreal, Canada. There is an open door policy in the afternoon for gamers between 3pm to 8pm that would like to get a true hands-on gaming experience with the new ‘Hawaii’ powered GPU. AMD informed us that they will have systems running both the AMD Radeon R9 290X and the NVIDIA Geforce GTX 780, so you can do some comparisons when you are there. AMD will be running “Bioshock Infinite” at 4K resolutions during the event.
AMD Radeon R9 290X Event Details
Where: Hilton Bonaventure Montreal
Address: 900, de La Gaucheti?re Ouest
Room : Jacques-Cartier
Time : 3 p.m. to 8 p.m.

[mattlef]

AMD To Show Off Radeon R9 290X Video Card in Montreal Tomorrow!

They're responding to nVidia having a conference today with media.
Interesting few days ahead.

[Hornet331]

AMD informed us that they will have systems running both the AMD Radeon R9 290X and the NVIDIA Geforce GTX 780,

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so yeah now we know against what product the 290X is positioned, not the titan but the 780GTX, hopefully this also is reflected in the price.

[PedantOne]

so yeah now we know against what product the 290X is positioned, not the titan but the 780GTX, hopefully this also is reflected in the price.

Yes, R290X is officially positioned against GTX 780, by price and better performance

[informal]

Actually Titan is just 7.5% faster than 780GTX(vanilla version!) according to techpower.
So 290x being faster than regular 780 just means that is basically on par or even a bit better( probably depending on game title) than Titan . All that with better pricing structure than both 780 and (especially) Titan. Then you have TrueAudio and Mantle, GCN being the target/proffered platform for both console and PC games (logical as AMD has the hardware for all next gen consoles locked in for next 5-10 years). AMD is winning this time, there is no doubt about it.

[PedantOne]

winning? With R9 290X the same performance like 8 months old Titan? OK, for better price, but nothing more. TrueAudio = BS, mantle = BS.

[informal]

Both 780 and Titan will be more expensive than Radeon while offering the same or less. Then you have great game bundles .

AMD is winning. Also you omitted game console wins and GCN as preferred uarchitecture to code for .

[Ace123]

Quit saying that it's only as good as an 8 month old Titan like its even remotely meaningful. It IS what Nvidia currently has available, and unless Nvidia has something readily available to respond with more performance them the point is moot. What the R9 290X does possibly offer is Titan like performance at a price point more attainable for some, in addition to technology not offered by the competition regardless of the fact that It remains to be seen if that technology becomes popular.
This IS the appropriate video card to release at the time despite that you believe its "8 months late"

If I do remember the launch of the Titan, it was widely regarded as a Niche product and ridiculous at 1000 dollars. Nobody including Nvidia anticipated that gamers and enthusiast were willing to open their wallets as willingly as they did and as I understand it the video card outsold expectations. That being said the fact that Amd could respond in as little as 8 months on the same node NOT relying on a cut down professional Gpu that was easily adapted, before the launch of the next node so the card remains relevant is to be applauded.

And another thing, just because pendant 1 simply proclaims something "=BS" does not add validity to the argument or somehow make it true.
Both True Audio and Mantle will stand on their own and will fail or succeed on their own merits and not because you say so. I invite you to share your wealth of knowledge on the subject otherwise because there is no place in this discussion for a claim like that to be made "because I said so"

[GoldenTiger]

Both 780 and Titan will be more expensive than Radeon while offering the same or less. Then you have great game bundles .

AMD is winning. Also you omitted game console wins and GCN as preferred uarchitecture to code for .

Errrrrrr.... It's been 5 months since gtx 780, I would sure hope they can match or beat its performance by now! They might end up a bit cheaper but again I would hope the heck so on that too. Nothing unexpected there. As far as console wins or architecture I'll believe the benefits when I see them. Amd rarely takes advantage of any of their benefits. Nvidia if you're going to bring stuff up, has physx, txaa, transparency supersampling, more reliable drivers in general, and consumer confidence. Sounds to me like calling amd "winning" is a bit premature.

[GoldenTiger]

Ace, I don't see how titan is particularly relevant here since gtx 780 is the high end gamingcard. Titan was meant as a cheap Quadro and "let's see if anyone bites" gaming card, barely faster than the 780 which also is far cheaper than the Titan. The 780 is what it should be compared to, and will be by gamers. This much later, I would certainly be shocked if they couldn't have matched it. All the talk of "well, it's impressive they could respond" doesn't help its performance or amount to anything when gaming or benching .

[LordEC911]

Ace, I don't see how titan is particularly relevant here since gtx 780 is the high end gamingcard. Titan was meant as a cheap Quadro and "let's see if anyone bites" gaming card, barely faster than the 780 which also is far cheaper than the Titan. The 780 is what it should be compared to, and will be by gamers. This much later, I would certainly be shocked if they couldn't have matched it. All the talk of "well, it's impressive they could respond" doesn't help its performance or amount to anything when gaming or benching .

Then it isn't 8months late...

[GoldenTiger]

Then it isn't 8months late...

Certainly five behind though as I said... Realistically products are never in synch but that's a long time for them to wait.

[Ace123]

It Is relevant because regardless of if the 780 will be the target, when we are talking high end graphics cards, the single fastest product will always be the benchmark, especially if the target is surpassed which seems to be the case here.
To the "market" the Titan is a cut down quadro, but acceptably so as it was the single fastest card. The gtx 780 is viewed as a "cut down Titan" because it is, acceptably so because it offers near Titan performance for a more affordable price, but the Titan is still king, and any contenders will have to measure up to the king.

[tajoh111]

Both 780 and Titan will be more expensive than Radeon while offering the same or less. Then you have great game bundles .

AMD is winning. Also you omitted game console wins and GCN as preferred uarchitecture to code for .

Its way to early to declare a winner at this point. To me, the winner is the one that comes in with the better financial statements. Mantle isn't even released yet, and we hardly know the performance and more importantly the adoption rate from all developers(particularly when it isn't the console API). And the only thing that has released so far are a stable of rebrands which Nvidia can easily counter with their existing lineup.

In addition, gk110 specs were known to AMD for the last 16 months. At this point, AMD at the very least knew what they should aim for performance. GK110 price is a result of AMD failing in the past. What hawaii brings in my opinion is competition from AMD to the point where it can make money on its cards and perhaps generate revenue(not this piddly 10 million or so figure from their graphics department).

In otherwords, it brings competition back and is more so AMD catching up with Nvidia rather than outright winning. Catching up means for us the consumer, Nvidia can't charge rip off pricing anymore and it isn't a one man show at the top or high-end.

What this means is only one winning at this point is the consumer from lower pricing.

What it means for AMD, particularly now is they have a chance at competing in the high-end segment again. Its not a win yet. It's means they have finally shown up for the show to face Nvidia. Nvidia has definitely been winning the last 8 months by default of AMD not showing up. After Hawaii is released, Nvidia may be winning, losing or locked in a stalemate.

But to declare a winner at this point is simply short sighted(no reviews, no mantle performance, no prices and no supply figure), particularly when GK110 has so much left in the tank.

[informal]

5-10 years of locked consoles that will be THE platform for games (which in turn will be easily ported to PC running GCN cards ) is a major advantage. I don't know how you guys fail to see that. Add in the possibility of Kaveri/Carizzo running offloaded physics code on their iGPU while being paired with GCN cards will make AMD really stand out in the crowd.

Remember, your hardware is as only as good as your software is . AMD is the target and preferred platform in both next gen consoles so yes, it's perfectly fine to say they will have a tangible advantage in those respects.

[eric66]

winning? With R9 290X the same performance like 8 months old Titan? OK, for better price, but nothing more. TrueAudio = BS, mantle = BS.

Your post = bs you don't even have idea how games with mantle perform but somehow you declared it as bs lol

[tbone8ty]

winning? With R9 290X the same performance like 8 months old Titan? OK, for better price, but nothing more. TrueAudio = BS, mantle = BS.

Someones butt hurts jeez.

[Tha Last Meal]

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[LordEC911]

To the "market" the Titan is a cut down quadro, but acceptably so as it was the single fastest card. The gtx 780 is viewed as a "cut down Titan" because it is, acceptably so because it offers near Titan performance for a more affordable price, but the Titan is still king, and any contenders will have to measure up to the king.

Not really... there is no GK110 based Quadro, at least that I have seen.
Titan is the same spec as K20x, Tesla, as far as units go.

[Tha Last Meal]

Not really... there is no GK110 based Quadro, at least that I have seen.
Titan is the same spec as K20x, Tesla, as far as units go.

You are wrong

Nvidia?s first fully-enabled GK110 arrives ? Quadro K6000 packing 12GB of vRAM! 2,880 streaming multiprocessor CUDA cores inthe fully 15 SMX-enabled GK110 GPU deliver faster

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/nvidi...-12gb-of-vram/

[tajoh111]

Not really... there is no GK110 based Quadro, at least that I have seen.
Titan is the same spec as K20x, Tesla, as far as units go.

http://www.sabrepc.com/p-4235-pny-vc...rd.aspx?gclid=

Notice you can add to cart so its available and it has 2880 shaders. So it's there.

Heres more specifics on the specs.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7166/n...s-quadro-k6000