Vishera 5Ghz FX-9000/8770

[BenchZowner]

People will sit on the sidelines and whine while real enthusiast use this bad boy to roll world records. I'm with tbone8ty on this one.

What world records ?
The only WR where it stands true is CPU-z Frequency... because in SuperPi, PiFast, wPrime, 3D Marks, PC Marks, AquaMark 3, etc it has no chance at all.

[Ace123]

So? If you are going for those world records it sounds like this CPU isn't for you. Back in the day I purchased several 2500+ Barton processors just to be the first overclocker to hit 500mhz fsb. That's what seperates the xtreme from the people who just post on a forum named that.... Ill probably buy one of these for the same reason I bought my 3770k, 4770k and 3 3930k

[Chrono Detector]

So it is true, AMD themselves confirmed a 5Ghz CPU. Impressive, though we all know that clock speeds don't necessary make a CPU faster. But will it go on par with Intel's high end offerings? Because that $800 price tag does sound nasty and won't be worth it if it fails to keep up with Intel's current i7 range.

[zir_blazer]

So? If you are going for those world records it sounds like this CPU isn't for you. Back in the day I purchased several 2500+ Barton processors just to be the first overclocker to hit 500mhz fsb. That's what seperates the xtreme from the people who just post on a forum named that.... Ill probably buy one of these for the same reason I bought my 3770k, 4770k and 3 3930k

You are forgetting a very, very, VERY important fact: If you can purchase several Processors with the sole purpose of binning them yourself to get the best one, the first thing that you have there is Xtremely Deep Pockets. Some of you seems to forget that on real world, money is a limiting factor, so even if I wanted to, I could't be "xtreme" because my budget simply doesn't allows me to do something as ridiculous as purchase several times the same component to bin it just for the sole purpose of breaking some stupid score of non-tangible real world performance in the order of... 2%? 5% at much?. For some of us price performance rules supreme, as most of the "xtreme" stuff is pretty much designed to burn cash with little real world application. Its a mere hobby, one where I'm not going to do an act of brand loyalty like purchasing an inferior product that doesn't deserve my money.

[tbone8ty]

People will sit on the sidelines and whine while real enthusiast use this bad boy to roll world records. I'm with tbone8ty on this one.

9ghz barrier broken yet?

That's why they named it 9590

And crushing 4770k at stock clocks lol

[SKYMTL]

People will sit on the sidelines and whine while real enthusiast use this bad boy to roll world records. I'm with tbone8ty on this one.

Not if the thing isn't available at retail.

[tbone8ty]

So nobody got a cpuz screenshot at E3?

[tbone8ty]

http://www.overclock.net/g/i/1506969...0-chips-at-e3/

[Ace123]

You are forgetting a very, very, VERY important fact: If you can purchase several Processors with the sole purpose of binning them yourself to get the best one, the first thing that you have there is Xtremely Deep Pockets. Some of you seems to forget that on real world, money is a limiting factor, so even if I wanted to, I could't be "xtreme" because my budget simply doesn't allows me to do something as ridiculous as purchase several times the same component to bin it just for the sole purpose of breaking some stupid score of non-tangible real world performance in the order of... 2%? 5% at much?. For some of us price performance rules supreme, as most of the "xtreme" stuff is pretty much designed to burn cash with little real world application. Its a mere hobby, one where I'm not going to do an act of brand loyalty like purchasing an inferior product that doesn't deserve my money.

I think it is you who is forgetting one important fact, you are complaining about a product which has been pre binned for the enthusiast market. This product wasn't released for the main stream market, and if you are the main stream market, that means you. its TDP and its performance against a Main Stream product is a moot point. Its a publicity stunt threw and threw. There isnt a person on this forum who thinks this will take on intels latest and greatest. Its a Hot rod, thats it. It drinks gas, spits fire, and makes noise. Thats the point. Its an exhibition show during halftime at the lakers game. Its specifically for the guys who want to break some stupid non-tangible world record in the order of 2-5%.
You said it yourself, this processor is for the hobby and you wont find it in the mainstream computer.

[zir_blazer]

I think it is you who is forgetting one important fact, you are complaining about a product which has been pre binned for the enthusiast market. This product wasn't released for the main stream market, and if you are the main stream market, that means you. its TDP and its performance against a Main Stream product is a moot point. Its a publicity stunt threw and threw. There isnt a person on this forum who thinks this will take on intels latest and greatest. Its a Hot rod, thats it. It drinks gas, spits fire, and makes noise. Thats the point. Its an exhibition show during halftime at the lakers game. Its specifically for the guys who want to break some stupid non-tangible world record in the order of 2-5%.
You said it yourself, this processor is for the hobby and you wont find it in the mainstream computer.

This Processor is not even for the enthusiast market, is for the OEM market.

The new AMD FX CPUs will be available from system integrators globally beginning this summer. Two models will be available:

FX-9590: Eight ?Piledriver? cores, 5 GHz Max Turbo
FX-9370: Eight ?Piledriver? cores, 4.7 GHz Max Turbo

In the same way that you said that if you don't bin several Processors yourself you're not xtreme, I don't think that a guy that purchases an alienware system is an enthusiast. I don't care if such a product exist so Joe Average can have a bigger ePenis, but it worries me the direction that the enthusiast market took during the last few years if a product like this, a factory overclocked Processor with Pentium D Smithfield-class power consumption, gets any sort of acceptation.

Besides, enthusiast != xtreme, they are two very different things, and I hate when people mix them together. Enthusiast are people that simply likes to tinker with their Hardware, can adapt it to their needs and are always checking for more data and news. They're NOT someone that lets nowaday manufacturers to milk his wallet by purchasing products with monikers like "OVERCLOCK", "GAMER", XTREME", with fancy LEDs and hefty price tags, just because the manufacturer says that they are mean for enthusiasts - these actually fits the consumist "xtreme" trend. Even more, enthusiasts doesn't even have to be gamers or overclockers at all. You also have guys like Movieman that are used to run Dual Processors. When was the last time that you saw that in the typical "enthusiast" machine?

At the time where you were binning Athlons XP, the enthusiast market was pretty limited, and most parts were aftermarket heatsinks, some exotic cooling, high end Motherboards for overclocking like DFI ones, and maybe RAM, when it mattered a bit more. Funny thing is that most parts that enthusiasts purchased, weren't even branded as enthusiast-class. Remember Mobile Athlons XP? Remember Socket 939 Opterons 1xx? Remember Celerons 300A? Heck, most times what people purchased was the slowest part of a given die or with some feature (Pentium 4 2.4 GHz Northwood C, Athlons XP Bartons 2500+), because they overclocked nearly as good as the high end ones but were much cheaper. Enthusiasts choosed parts from ANY market segment and overclocked them to get high end performance with fairly less budget, they didn't purchased brain damaged parts just because they were "mean for them".
During the last years seems that manufacturers have figured out that the enthusiast market is a cash cow because you can always release something aimed there with the three silly monikers I said earlier, and can sell it, no matter if the product is ridiculous from the technical or usefulness standpoint (Reason why RAM kits like these exist, I suppose). What before was a limitation that the enthusiast should learn to overcome by himself to get the most out of his Hardware, is now something that works out-of-the-box, because, after all, now you're forced to pay more for it - and quite a bit more for it. I can't pick a cheap Intel Processor and overclock it to get more performance out of a low end part like in the old days, now I need to jump to a much more expensive K series Processor.
And that is not the worst of it. The worst is that now the enthusiast segment besides hefty prices is now victim of market segmentization, losing useful features that other lines gets, like Intel does by removing VT-d and TSX from the K series Processors. And they still sell them. Looks like the nowadays "enthusiast" priotize overclocking above everything else, like price, features, power consumption and fan noise. So basically, what you call "enthusiast market", is where spoiled rich child looks for new benching toys, because that is all what these things are, as old school enthusiasts purchased parts from Desktop budget or mainstream, Mobile or Server, for as long as it did what they needed or wanted.

My next build is going to be a Server, that's for sure.

[lizardmech]

What a lousy product launch, "look at our new CPU! Oh by the way you're not allowed to buy one."
Since when do OEMs even care about AMD desktop chips?

[Ace123]

"The new AMD FX-9590 and FX-9370 processors will begin showing up in prebuilt systems from the summer, before going on sale as chip-only to DIY PC builders. No word on pricing at this stage."
"press release says these new CPUs will ?be available initially in PCs through system integrators"
"AMD took the wraps off its latest enthusiast CPU, the FX-9590. Clocked at 5 GHz, the FX-9590 is the new flagship CPU for AMD, and it will hit retailers at some point next month."

I mean realistically if we want to see how this will perform, someone overclock their 8350 to 5ghz and benchmark it...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.ph...&limitstart=12,
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...at-hard-on-air
http://semiaccurate.com/2012/11/20/o...-amds-fx-8350/
http://www.eteknix.com/amd-showcase-...5ghz-near-idf/

"Moving to the only gaming benchmark that we ran, we’ve include a stock Core i7-3770K for comparison. This is admittedly a rather cluttered comparison, but the take way here is that at 5Ghz the FX-8350 is neck and neck with the i7-3770k in-terms of gaming performance."

Shrug
Although, Theres some talk inside that this is some weird commemorative of being the first to hit 1ghz...

[dartaz]

I mean realistically if we want to see how this will perform, someone overclock their 8350 to 5ghz and benchmark it...

Obviously, FX-8350@5GHz is going to perform better than stock FX-9590

5GHz is just the max turbo clock for FX-9590

[Rollo]

"Moving to the only gaming benchmark that we ran, we’ve include a stock Core i7-3770K for comparison. This is admittedly a rather cluttered comparison, but the take way here is that at 5Ghz the FX-8350 is neck and neck with the i7-3770k in-terms of gaming performance."

So people with $800 to spend can get this chip, or a 3770, a high end motherboard, a good case, and a good power supply and have the same performance in the end?

And the cry went out, "Moar GHz!".

I don't think these will be $800 for long unless the supply is so limited they just don't care if they sell one. OTOH, if they were $320 like 3770s, they'd be an OK deal for the people who don't care about power draw.

[informal]

5Ghz vs 4.2Ghz in ST/poorly threaded workloads is ~20% jump. So here we will have straight performance scaling from 8350.
In well threaded workloads we will have 4.7Ghz vs 4Ghz - this is ~17.5% jump so here we will have somewhat lower than 20% performance jump Vs ST case.
Any clock step in between 4.7Ghz and 5Ghz for new FX9590 will be similar perf. jump vs 4.1Ghz ("in-between" clock for 8350). There we will have 17-19% performance increase.

So it's 17-20% better performance than stock 8350. Just about enough to get on the level of stock 4770K (a chip that usually runs close to 4Ghz@ "stock", even in threaded workloads ). Since 4770K OCs on average to ~4.3-4.4Ghz on good air/WC it might get somewhat ahead of FX9590, depending on the application. When i7 is OCed, the power draw difference will roughly be ~100-120W vs "stock" FX9590. Still the FX might have another 5% or so in the tank so performance might even out with power draw being considerably higher on FX. Good thing is that enthusiasts don't care much about power draw .

[Ace123]

Don't be shocked if we learn that these are not just binned 8350 cores but piledriver 2.0 cores like Richland....v

[tbone8ty]

I'm pretty sure they are not

[zalbard]

Good thing is that enthusiasts don't care much about power draw .

Not unless the difference is really massive, like in this case.

See TheTechReport: AMD reveals base clock, power rating for 5GHz CPU

Well, today, AMD has finally answered our questions. The company told us the base clocks for the FX-9590 and FX-9370 are 4.7GHz and 4.4GHz, respectively. Also, as rumored, thermal envelopes for both offerings are "~220W." That's a substantial increase over the 125W TDP of AMD's current FX-series flagship, the FX-8350.

I am sure both 3770K and 4770K hover around 100W overclocked with iGPU shut off.

[FlanK3r]

there is maybe answer on your question...Its not 100% stress, but stress under Cinebench test



around 1.4V is +90W at CPU, with higher voltage after is crazy...

[zalbard]

These are for full system power consumption numbers...

Here's info from Bit-tech (full credit goes to them):



You can remove ~10% to stop relying on PSU efficiency and then extra ~70W to remove the influence of other components.
With my math, their FX-8350 is consuming 230W overclocked. Ivy consumes 110W overclocked.

Look at AMD FX and then at 3770K. See the difference? Now that's crazy.
And it's not just power from the wall, but also heat that will cook you in the summer. Such massive difference is not good at all.

around 1.4V is +90W at CPU, with higher voltage after is crazy...

And two more notes on this... 1.4V is nuts on IVB, it is not recommended for 24/7 operation.
Also, without delidding, due to such high temperatures, you should understand that power consumption is going to be higher. Cool it down and it will consume considerably less.


(Remember this? Credit goes to TPU)

If it was delidded, temps would go down from 100C to 70C and so would power consumption.

Bit-tech's graph looks accurate to me. But it will obviously vary from sample to sample, as one might need 1.25V, and another might need 1.5V...

AMD is really far behind when it comes to manufacturing process. Still 32nm? Intel is on the second iteration of 22nm, and they are also using more complicated 3D transistor approach. Piledriver would look a lot better on 22nm.

[zir_blazer]

Look at AMD FX and then at 3770K. See the difference? Now that's crazy.
And it's not just power from the wall, but also heat that will cook you in the summer. Such massive difference is not good at all.

If you pick a Ivy Bridge and overclock it to near that Vishera Frequencies, you're consuming around half the power AND have much more performance. Add in that these poor dies should have nearly no overclocking headroom at all, like any other factory overclocked part. Suddently, such a part doesn't makes sense. Its a totally uncompetitive part, and a mere marketing stunt.

I have electricity nearly for free and I would still not even try to run a 220W TDP beast like that one. Why? Because its a ridiculous amount of stress that can make your other components (Mainly Motherboard) to have a premature death, and because the heat has to go somewhere. With air cooling, the heat generated will go directly to your room, let alone the noise a Fan for it will make. I still recall histories about how much warmer a room where a Prescott was felt, that even thinking about what this bad boy will do makes me chill - or worse, sweat.

[kuroikenshi]

If you pick a Ivy Bridge and overclock it to near that Vishera Frequencies, you're consuming around half the power AND have much more performance. Add in that these poor dies should have nearly no overclocking headroom at all, like any other factory overclocked part. Suddently, such a part doesn't makes sense. Its a totally uncompetitive part, and a mere marketing stunt.

I have electricity nearly for free and I would still not even try to run a 220W TDP beast like that one. Why? Because its a ridiculous amount of stress that can make your other components (Mainly Motherboard) to have a premature death, and because the heat has to go somewhere. With air cooling, the heat generated will go directly to your room, let alone the noise a Fan for it will make. I still recall histories about how much warmer a room where a Prescott was felt, that even thinking about what this bad boy will do makes me chill - or worse, sweat.

See, you're doing it wrong!

you need to leave the computer in place, instead spin the room around it. That's how you effectively cool a computer, With lots of Sandias (and maybe Melones too) - all spananiards from this forum cool their systems this way anyways.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...=sandia+cooler

[LordEC911]

If you pick a Ivy Bridge and overclock it to near that Vishera Frequencies, you're consuming around half the power AND have much more performance. Add in that these poor dies should have nearly no overclocking headroom at all, like any other factory overclocked part. Suddently, such a part doesn't makes sense. Its a totally uncompetitive part, and a mere marketing stunt.

I have electricity nearly for free and I would still not even try to run a 220W TDP beast like that one. Why? Because its a ridiculous amount of stress that can make your other components (Mainly Motherboard) to have a premature death, and because the heat has to go somewhere. With air cooling, the heat generated will go directly to your room, let alone the noise a Fan for it will make. I still recall histories about how much warmer a room where a Prescott was felt, that even thinking about what this bad boy will do makes me chill - or worse, sweat.

So there are other types of cooling that don't dissipate the heat into your room?

[zir_blazer]

So there are other types of cooling that don't dissipate the heat into your room?

Yep. AMD should adapt it a external ventilation, like kitchen boilers uses, preferabily of the forced types that uses a big Fan. An xtreme Processor doesn't deserve anything less than exotic cooling. Or even better, they could include a water cooling kit with it that connects to your water pipes so you can provide warm water to the rest of your house without the need of the boiler.

[tbone8ty]

so does anybody have solid proof that this chip exists?