Post your PPD rates !!

[Gimmpy224]

ouch - sorry to hear it. hopefully, it's only the PC's that are down....

yeah, it missed us but there were 12 in the area. eF4 and an eF3 just west of here.

All of the machines are back up though I believe. Many deaths out in Granbury though, they got hit with the eF4 that was headed straight at us but luckily went up and then hit the next town west of us.

[Andreas]

Andreas: next time you try 4 amd cards maybe it might be worth investigating the use of pcie x16 extenders. http://linitx.com/product/pci-expres...extender/10538

back when the gx2 was king I tried this with a reasonable degree of success ....those did vent all to outside the case though

Lifting alternate cards allowed fans to get more air.

I wonder if they make a 1u version?

Thanks for the link.

I got one x16 extender a few days ago, but hadn't have time to check yet. In discussion with the company rep, they were very careful with regards to the maximum length supported. (To get 75watt through)

rgds,
Andy

[bds71]

05.12.13 -------- 1,080,185

woohoo - another first for me: 1M point week!! (thanks in no small part to the core 17 WUs). I remember not too long ago when I was just as excited to get my first 1M point month

I apologize if this sounds boastful - it is not meant to be. I am simply excited for the accomplishment.

[Gimmpy224]

36 i7 desktops have been ordered. ^_^ enjoy the lead while you can bds!

[bds71]

lol, touche!! though, i have still been thinking on getting a 7970 to pair with my old 965e....that would boost my output by no small margin (if it happens lol)

edit: if the gossip is anything to be believed, i may wait for the AMD 8970 later this year (Q4) or wait until they come out and get a 7970 :P

[Gimmpy224]

I didnt know the new series of GPU's were being released this year (thought I read somewhere it wasnt until 2014)


Guess ill wait just a bit longer to make my new rig, although im still caught up in my ati or nvidia debate.

[coo-coo-clocker]

actually, I would recommend Haswell if you can wait....

When is Haswell due out?

[Gimmpy224]

june the 4th supposedly

[bds71]

^^ yea, what he said

oh, gimpy: check out your rear-view mirror....yea, that's me - i'll be seeing you in about 5 days hehe (total points-wise). should jump about 6 places within a week

on a side note (but still relative to our ongoing conversation) - I spoke to my TV guy today about being able to get me the TV I want (65" Sony 4k TV). he said he would check, and it *might* (it's still a pretty big *might* though) be able to get it for me - he has the 55" version in the store, but they won't be stocking the 65 due to its cost and it's probability of selling so I asked him to special order it for me. the biggest problem isn't getting it - it's shipping it to Germany hehe. since they have to use UPS it could cost as much as 1k JUST TO SHIP IT!! so it's still way up in the air. BUT!! if it does go through, i'll be getting a second 690 for quad 680 gaming, and i'll go ahead and get that 7970 at the same time. 3930+2x 690's and a 965+7970 should give me 400k ppd so bring on your 36x new haswells hehe - i'm game !! who knows - me and you combined MIGHT be able to match Angra!! (nahhhh, he's pretty much in the stratosphere lol) your 36 new PCs and my upgrades (if I get my TV) would definitely boost the team though!! (yea, go team )

[Gimmpy224]

I know!!! slow it down!!!

Next week we get 36 i7's in so hopefully if you do pass me it will be short lived ^_^

although I may go through our 30 servers running dual xeons and what not and throw folding on them for giggles

Ill take the challenge of taking down angra >

I did just add everything up though, based on some of the ivy bridge i7's that i get ~25k ppd per, I assume the haswell's will at least get that. so 25k x 36 = ~900,000ppd Although I will probably only fold on half of them depending on which department they go into. so probably around an extra 450.

[Andreas]

Folks here might be interested in the GTX 780 as folding card.

Finally I had been able to pick up my GTX 780 (the stock clock version, not the OC).
To better compare the total system impact, I took two

I have 2 identical systems with two AMD 7970s each.
CPU is a Celeron G1610, sufficiently powerful to drive the 2 GPU cards but it doesn't do any folding. With 2 cards at 1150/1600MHz, each system can produce 200k PPD of WU 7663. Power consumption is 380 watt at the plug.


I took one system and replaced the 2 AMD cards with 2 GTX 780 cards - the rest of the system was kept unchanged.

Currently the first WU is running:

With stock settings, TPF is 1min22sec (111k PPD per GPU)
Power consumption is 405 watt. The difference comes mostly from the Celeron CPU, as the NVidia driver keeps the CPU running at 100%. The ATI driver is much better (CPU is at 18% plus running at reduced clock)

Changing the settings to 1175 MHz (+180MHz for the shader), +160 MHZ for memory, and TDP to 104%.
TPFs seem to settle in the 1min9sec range with this WU. Two GTX 780 are then producing 288k PPD. Power consumption is 430 watt
With the fan set to 90% (There is a difference in the available settings to the Titan which is limited to 85%), temperature of GPU-0 is 58 degrees Celcius and GPU-1 is 50 degrees. A 200mm fan in the side panel is getting ambient air (currently 20 degrees) to the GPUs.

Comparing it with the GTX Titans (1090 MHz, +100 MHz memory, 104% TDP):
2 GPUs are constantly between 300 and 310k PPD (TPF between 1:05 and 1:06)

Andy

[Gimmpy224]

Folks here might be interested in the GTX 780 as folding card.

Finally I had been able to pick up my GTX 780 (the stock clock version, not the OC).
To better compare the total system impact, I took two

I have 2 identical systems with two AMD 7970s each.
CPU is a Celeron G1610, sufficiently powerful to drive the 2 GPU cards but it doesn't do any folding. With 2 cards at 1150/1600MHz, each system can produce 200k PPD of WU 7663. Power consumption is 380 watt at the plug.


I took one system and replaced the 2 AMD cards with 2 GTX 780 cards - the rest of the system was kept unchanged.

Currently the first WU is running:

With stock settings, TPF is 1min22sec (111k PPD per GPU)
Power consumption is 405 watt. The difference comes mostly from the Celeron CPU, as the NVidia driver keeps the CPU running at 100%. The ATI driver is much better (CPU is at 18% plus running at reduced clock)

Changing the settings to 1175 MHz (+180MHz for the shader), +160 MHZ for memory, and TDP to 104%.
TPFs seem to settle in the 1min9sec range with this WU. Two GTX 780 are then producing 288k PPD. Power consumption is 430 watt
With the fan set to 90% (There is a difference in the available settings to the Titan which is limited to 85%), temperature of GPU-0 is 58 degrees Celcius and GPU-1 is 50 degrees. A 200mm fan in the side panel is getting ambient air (currently 20 degrees) to the GPUs.

Comparing it with the GTX Titans (1090 MHz, +100 MHz memory, 104% TDP):
2 GPUs are constantly between 300 and 310k PPD (TPF between 1:05 and 1:06)

Andy

Lovin the info mate, def helps since im still browsing the market lol. glad to have you folding with us aswell, id love to see a sig for you and stare at your ridiculous 24hr avg lol.

[Andreas]

Lovin the info mate, def helps since im still browsing the market lol.

Glad I could help. For folding purposes the 780 is the better card vs. the Titan (price wise). When street prices come down a bit, it is imho also more cost(PPD) effective than the 7970 cards (total system cost considered)

glad to have you folding with us aswell, id love to see a sig for you and stare at your ridiculous 24hr avg lol.

uh, some outing is on order

While I started as an "independent" folder, I got some great help and info over at [H] to set up my bigger smp systems (Dual Xeon E5-2687W and Dual Xeon E5-2650) and finally joined team 33. There is also quite a community of 4p system owners and I intend to build one for dual use (compute/ highspeed IO) as well.

Hope you don't mind this choice.
Nevertheless, I thought the GTX780 info might be helpful for some here (BAsed on this initialy experience, I consider the GTX 780 currently an excellent folding card - price, perf and power wise)

Andy

PS:
All systems aren't running yet and I had some things to tinker with, but at least I achieved 17 mio PPD in the last 2 weeks for a good start.

[Gimmpy224]

Glad I could help. For folding purposes the 780 is the better card vs. the Titan (price wise). When street prices come down a bit, it is imho also more cost(PPD) effective than the 7970 cards (total system cost considered)


uh, some outing is on order

While I started as an "independent" folder, I got some great help and info over at [H] to set up my bigger smp systems (Dual Xeon E5-2687W and Dual Xeon E5-2650) and finally joined team 33. There is also quite a community of 4p system owners and I intend to build one for dual use (compute/ highspeed IO) as well.

Hope you don't mind this choice.
Nevertheless, I thought the GTX780 info might be helpful for some here (BAsed on this initialy experience, I consider the GTX 780 currently an excellent folding card - price, perf and power wise)

Andy

PS:
All systems aren't running yet and I had some things to tinker with, but at least I achieved 17 mio PPD in the last 2 weeks for a good start.

NOOOOOOO!!!!

Lol its all good mate, ^_^ like BDS says, though I enjoy competing with other teams and competing with BDS, so long as everyone is folding im happy the cause is more important than the competition. The competition just helps to spark more interest

[bds71]

Lol its all good mate, ^_^ like BDS says, though I enjoy competing with other teams and competing with BDS, so long as everyone is folding im happy the cause is more important than the competition. The competition just helps to spark more interest

yea, what he said.....err that I said...well, whoever said it - yea, it's all for a good cause - though we still wish, of course, that you was folding with us

as for the 780 comparison, it might be worth it to throw out some cost per ppd numbers. I know these things don't often concern me too much, but I know plenty who take this very much into consideration - so here it is: (I threw in the 680 and 690 for comparison - and because I have a 690 to offer the numbers - 680 numbers are from 690 cores currently running at stock so 680 might be slightly better ppd...maybe 90k)

Titan: $1020 @ approx. 140k ppd = $7.29 per 1k ppd
GTX-780: $650 @ approx. 110k ppd = $5.91 per 1k ppd
GTX-690: $1000 @ approx. 170k ppd = $5.88 per 1k ppd
GTX-680: $420 @ approx. 85k ppd = $4.94 per 1k ppd ($4.67@90k ppd)
AMD 7970: $360 @ approx. 100k ppd = $3.60 per 1k ppd

note: all prices current at Newegg - as of 5 minutes ago and, this price does not include 24/7 operation/power consumption which I would guess would also favor the AMD variant (?)

now, as I said before though, if one plans to game with this video card (as well as fold) then the NVidia variant would still get the nod (from me) - and in that regard the 780 or possibly even the 680 would be tops.

[Andreas]

yea, what he said.....err that I said...well, whoever said it - yea, it's all for a good cause - though we still wish, of course, that you was folding with us

as for the 780 comparison, it might be worth it to throw out some cost per ppd numbers. I know these things don't often concern me too much, but I know plenty who take this very much into consideration - so here it is: (I threw in the 680 and 690 for comparison - and because I have a 690 to offer the numbers - 680 numbers are from 690 cores currently running at stock so 680 might be slightly better ppd...maybe 90k)

Titan: $1020 @ approx. 140k ppd = $7.29 per 1k ppd
GTX-780: $650 @ approx. 110k ppd = $5.91 per 1k ppd
GTX-690: $1000 @ approx. 170k ppd = $5.88 per 1k ppd
GTX-680: $420 @ approx. 85k ppd = $4.94 per 1k ppd ($4.67@90k ppd)
AMD 7970: $360 @ approx. 100k ppd = $3.60 per 1k ppd

note: all prices current at Newegg - as of 5 minutes ago and, this price does not include 24/7 operation/power consumption which I would guess would also favor the AMD variant (?)

now, as I said before though, if one plans to game with this video card (as well as fold) then the NVidia variant would still get the nod (from me) - and in that regard the 780 or possibly even the 680 would be tops.

Some comments to your list:

Prices in Euro (bare GPU / fully loaded)
Titan: 1000 / 1110
780: 650 / 760
7970: 400 / 510

Energy is 0,16 Euro / kwh

TCO: Total cost of ownership over 3 years (system with 2 GPUs and energy):
Titan: 4070 Euro
780: 3328 Euro
7970: 2618 Euro

Production (WU 7663 as base over 3 years)
Titan: 361mio ppd
780: 307mio ppd
7970: 219mio ppd


energy efficiency (ppd / kwh over 3 years)
Titan: 195k ppd / kwh
780: 170k ppd / kwh
7970: 137k ppd / kwh

cost efficiency (total ppd production / TCO Euro )
Titan: 88.8k ppd/ Euro
780: 92.1k ppd/ Euro
7970: 83.7k ppd / Euro

Disclaimer: many simplified assumptions are applied (utilization, energy cost stability, etc ...)


rgds,
Andy

[Gimmpy224]

CRUD!

I was going so good for a few days at 200k ppd, now im back down to probably 130 ish.

> must keep bds off my tail!

[bds71]

yea - don't think I didn't notice that. or that you passed me!! unfortunately, i'm going all out atm. until I do my upgrade (and I have confirmed: I will be getting that new 4k TV within the next 2 months - and it's associated PC upgrades ). watch for it - i'm coming!!

oh, and watch out for wfo - his 24 avg is climbing....it hit 101 today....(vs 165/175 for you and I) - but that isn't that far off really....he's coming for YOU too!! hehe (since your at the top now - well, except for angra lol)

edit: looking at wfo's results, it looks like he's capable of 180+ just like you and me. but, i'm guessing he turns off his PC at night (might be in his bedroom or something similar)....

[Gimmpy224]

yea - don't think I didn't notice that. or that you passed me!! unfortunately, i'm going all out atm. until I do my upgrade (and I have confirmed: I will be getting that new 4k TV within the next 2 months - and it's associated PC upgrades ). watch for it - i'm coming!!

oh, and watch out for wfo - his 24 avg is climbing....it hit 101 today....(vs 165/175 for you and I) - but that isn't that far off really....he's coming for YOU too!! hehe (since your at the top now - well, except for angra lol)

edit: looking at wfo's results, it looks like he's capable of 180+ just like you and me. but, i'm guessing he turns off his PC at night (might be in his bedroom or something similar)....

Yup I noticed him aswell. Tomorrow we are supposed to begin our project of setting up the 36 machines, so hopefully I can start to reap the benefits

[bds71]

When is Haswell due out?

reviews abound today....lots of em - all over the place

summary: ehhh, +5-10% from IB. not so great for desktop, but the bigger design features are for smaller/less powerful platforms so i guess it's to be expected.

it seams Intel is trying to back out gracefully from the high performance/enthusiast/desktop arena. i'm beginning to wonder if we will still have desktop chips available in 5 years? i can understand if we're nearing the end of what x86 can do, but that tells me that we just need to figure out the next evolution (not stop it alltogether!!). i would think there would always be a need for high end PCs, but maybe i'm wrong? maybe technology for the sake of technology simply isn't enough anymore....man, the world is changing - and not necessarily for the better.

[Gimmpy224]

reviews abound today....lots of em - all over the place

summary: ehhh, +5-10% from IB. not so great for desktop, but the bigger design features are for smaller/less powerful platforms so i guess it's to be expected.

it seams Intel is trying to back out gracefully from the high performance/enthusiast/desktop arena. i'm beginning to wonder if we will still have desktop chips available in 5 years? i can understand if we're nearing the end of what x86 can do, but that tells me that we just need to figure out the next evolution (not stop it alltogether!!). i would think there would always be a need for high end PCs, but maybe i'm wrong? maybe technology for the sake of technology simply isn't enough anymore....man, the world is changing - and not necessarily for the better.

yeah it doesnt make any sense tbh. Most of my clients out grow their machines every 2 years and need something higher end, especially when we have engineers working on huge projects within autocad and need their machine to be able to crunch numbers rather quickly.

I dunno, maybe the next generation of computer is on the horizon and the silicon chips have to be retired. ^_^ probably being too optimistic though considering how most of the world views funding education that would provide said technological advances.

[bds71]

is anyone else getting sporadic units like this? (see below) maybe the core 17 units have changed? it previously was almost a solid 18-19k; per (3) hour block....now i get a bunch of zero time slots and then anywhere from 2-5 WUs completed for mid 50k points every 6-9 hours. happened previous to now too, but this was all that was shown....

06.04, ---- 6am ------- 0 ------- 0
06.04, ---- 3am ---- 59,357 ---- 3
06.04, ---- 12am ------ 0 ------- 0
06.03, ---- 9pm ---- 53,406 ---- 2
06.03, ---- 6pm ------- 0 ------- 0
06.03, ---- 3pm ------- 0 ------- 0
06.03, ---- 12pm ---- 54,660 ---- 4
06.03, ---- 9am ------- 0 ------- 0
06.03, ---- 6am ---- 55,236 ---- 2
06.03, ---- 3am ------ 0 ------- 0
06.03, ---- 12am ----- 0 --------0
06.02, ---- 9pm ---- 54,290 ---- 3
06.02, ---- 6pm ------ 0 -------- 0

[Andreas]

Might be due to a change from 7663 WUs to 8900 WUs - they run longer.
Should be visible in your log files

Andy

[bds71]

Might be due to a change from 7663 WUs to 8900 WUs - they run longer.
Should be visible in your log files

i figured as much - though they still seem to equal out to about the same amount of points. i dont usually check the log files - i prefer to generate discussion i like to try to get others involved, but it seems that Gimmpy, you, and myself are pretty much the only ones who contribute to the discussions lol

i wonder if we actually finished the 7663 WUs? if they move on, does that mean the other "set" was completed?

[Swiftdeathz]

I'm only getting 8900's these days. They get me roughly the same ppd as the 7663's on my stock 7870