Crysis 3: AMD FX CPUs dominate, INTEL left behind

[DefStar]

So what's up with the new 3Dmark, is it doing multi-threaded physics? I mean, if Crytek can do it then why can't our so called end all be all benchmark tool do it? Or maybe, they don't want it to?

[dasa]

That was an early Alpha build. You can see how poorly it was optimized. Final build runs good on AMD cpus as both PCGH and Russian GameGPU has demonstrated (linked on first page).

but doesnt something seem a bit off when i3 530 drops from being twice as fast to slower than the athlon x2?

[informal]

but doesnt something seem a bit off when i3 530 drops from being twice as fast to slower than the athlon x2?

Yes,it means that Athlon performs to its full potential . You can see how well Piledriver performs on Linux,in some workloads even 3-4x better when properly optimized code is run on it. Hardware is just a lesser "half" of the equation. Actually bothering to optimize for specific uarchitecture can bring great performance improvements . Not many game studios bother to do that,they just code for biggest hw provider and are done with it.

[mbreslin]

Pretty funny stuff...

Anyone that has ever did any research on it or anything would know that intel are faster, have been for some time.
At least by 300-500 mhz worth, to close that gap (clocking up the amd).
I say 300 because that's what mine needed to get close to an older intel I think 3 years ago, maybe longer.
In pcsx2...

Crises 3 comes out tomarrow.
You can play it now if you're south korean supposedly... ^^
I never played 1, or 2 or that other one., heard 2 sucked and 1 was good.

No offense to amd.
But they have piss poor mem and cache performance.
And they're faking an 8 core, intel doesn't even mislable there chips like that.
If they actually sold a real 8 core at $300 I would buy it...

And btw ipc means instructions per clock...
Not every single instruction can exe within a clock, some reg's are faster then others...

I'm sorry, I can't help it.
I some of you guys wanna pretend that amd is faster then go ahead...
Have fun with that, I know that's what overclocking is for but still...

Though, the 3770k is a quad core as well.
In that sense it is possible for amd to get the upper hand.
But it would be rare.
It's some sort of scheduling or something I'm guessing.

The thing is, integer's them self's are not that taxing on the cpu, stable at lower voltages then what the fpu instructions usually need.
If you wanted to, if your os was not using any fpu instructions at all, you could clock your cpu way higher.
But I don't think they have independant clocks...

Anyways amd only has 4 fpu's..
They only way I can think of, is that they simulated there fpu instructions with the normal registers.
It's possible in asm to do that..., I do it because I don't even know how to use the fpu never got into it...
Or they just took advantage of more normal registers, twice as much.

I don't know.
I haven't seen any benches on that...
I think it may be all down to when it's a good idea to access an fpu and when it's a bad idea on the amd's.

No offense to anyone or anything, I'm just rambling on...

Lots of things wrong with this but starting from the top: Crysis 3 was out yesterday. Not tomorrow. Not sure what South Korea had to do with anything.

[dasa]

Yes,it means that Athlon performs to its full potential . You can see how well Piledriver performs on Linux,in some workloads even 3-4x better when properly optimized code is run on it. Hardware is just a lesser "half" of the equation. Actually bothering to optimize for specific uarchitecture can bring great performance improvements . Not many game studios bother to do that,they just code for biggest hw provider and are done with it.

it could also mean that intel is not performing to its full potential
all just speculation at this point anyway hopefully we will learn more soon

[Rollo]

Actually Stock vs Stock, Intel still wins.

Top CPU on the list = Intel
Out of the top 5, 3 of them are Intel

I still dont understand how you conclude that AMD are 'dominating', and Intel are 'left behind'. This terminology would indicate a clear cut victory for AMD CPUs in this test with a significant FPS advantage over the Intel CPUs. But the graph does not show anything like that. The Difference between 4 Ghz FX-8350 and 3.5 Ghz I7 3770K is only 2 FPS, neither is 'dominating', and neither is 'left behind'.

You are apparently new to teh intarwebz.

Any time AMD does something reasonably well, a handful of guys will post "Yes! AMD triumphs again! They are the lords of engineering".

Just the way of it, it's harmless.

[DefStar]

What new gaming consoles are going to use AMD CPUs (anyone with a definitive answer)? If Microsoft and Sony are going with AMD CPUs then all new games will be optimized for for them (i.e. multi-threaded). Sure, Intel will bust out 8 cores and beat out AMD's 8 cores proving once again Intel just hindered progress...but here we go AMD once again pushes forward technology against all odds...way to go AMD.

[Hornet331]

Intel just hindered progress

[blindbox]

This is interesting. Multithreaded improvements kinda make me want to go AMD now. I bought a 3570K for the office but hm, those FX-8350 results look lovely. I'm still waiting for Star Citizen to come out, so meanwhile, I'm waiting for Steamroller. It's great, because Star Citizen is using CryEngine 3, and most of my work are multithreaded.

[Kallenator]

For a moment there I actually thought AMD had a truly competitive product, not only from a price/performance stand point. But as soon as I looked through the Anandtech review, few battles where won.
Some competition could truly be good for all us, Intel has had their crown untarnished for far too long.

I find the die size a bit funny, 8350 = 315mm^2 , i3770k + iGPU = 160mm^2
Intel's production is ridiculous far ahead.

[Voodoo Hoodoo]

What new gaming consoles are going to use AMD CPUs (anyone with a definitive answer)? If Microsoft and Sony are going with AMD CPUs then all new games will be optimized for for them (i.e. multi-threaded). Sure, Intel will bust out 8 cores and beat out AMD's 8 cores proving once again Intel just hindered progress...but here we go AMD once again pushes forward technology against all odds...way to go AMD.

Why would Intel need an 8 core when the 6 core is already better than the AMD 8 core?

[bill_d]

Why would Intel need an 8 core when the 6 core is already better than the AMD 8 core?

well in this game the 3960k wins but not by 800 dollars worth

[Mungri]

If you take the single graph in the OP as final.

I'll wait until I've seen higher resolution, AA and AF results. At that resolution there probably was no where near enough bottlenecking from either the CPU or GPU. And while the game may have been worse for optimization in the alpha, I don't understand how alpha > final release = vastly reduced Intel performance.

[zanzabar]

Why would Intel need an 8 core when the 6 core is already better than the AMD 8 core?

the intel extreme edition is just a broken 8 core, they should be selling the whole chip and not a cut down chip for $1200. seriously though, intel has not put out a real upgrade for about 6 years for anything other than power consumption if you do a mild overclock on the old parts.

[Mungri]

And for about 6 years, AMD still don't have a better CPU than an X58 hex core. That's why Intel's prices don't come down.

[sutyi]

What I think is that the way it looks I'll have to replace my i3 2120 with an i5 in the near future.

[CrimInalA]

#1 = i7 3960x (12 threads) : 900€
#2 = fx-8350 (8 threads) : 170€

Intel fanboys better let go in my opinion . You really can't win this one .

[Voodoo Hoodoo]

the intel extreme edition is just a broken 8 core, they should be selling the whole chip and not a cut down chip for $1200. seriously though, intel has not put out a real upgrade for about 6 years for anything other than power consumption if you do a mild overclock on the old parts.

I know it's a broken 8 core and I agree they should be selling one but thumbs up for the straw man argument..



Anyhow, back on topic - let's see the results at 1080 maxxed out with the same hardware stock?

[LightSpeed]

Good news indeed, I expect the gaming performance gap to close further with next generation ports since both the consoles should be powered by multiple AMD x86 cores.

SR cant come soon enough

[Mungri]

And lets see SLI / Xfire results too, multi GPU is very CPU dependant.

[R101]

4 core IB has so much die size/price to produce advantage over Vishera it is not even funny. Underperforming from AMD is what keeps prices of Intel CPUs jacked up, and 6 core models only in s2011.

If new games start being 8+ thread optimized, it might force Intel's hand and that would be good for everyone - Intel 6 cores for 300$, AMD 8 cores for <150$..

[Mungri]

Intel aren't going to reduce their prices simply because AMD become competitive in upcoming multithreaded games.

They will reduce their prices if this leads to more sales for AMD and fewer sales for Intel. Just like Nvidia never lowered the prices on GTX 680 / 690 after the much cheaper 7970 began performing better in almost every game, because they are still selling well at their current prices.

[R101]

I did not say it will happen tomorrow, but if the trend continues Intel has so much space to go down with the prices I do not see why they would not react.

On the other hand, 4 core Haswell + good TIM + couple of hundred MHz will surely beat Vishera and still leave us with 4c8t for next year at least..

[DilTech]

Well guys, you can call off the hounds... The mystery has been solved.




Crysis 3 isn't using the extra threads on the intel chips, but IS on the AMD.

[R101]

Just when everyone hoped for Intel being pushed a bit ..

So it needs a patch, it seems.