Geforce Titan - GK110 will be a consumer part

[Rollo]

Leading another company to bankruptcy in a 2 player battle ends the battle, and the winner doesn't really win anything ( anti-monopoly laws mainly )

I don't think anti monopoly laws come into play if no companies are trying to compete with you. If NVIDIA had these cards ready to go last year I think it could have only benefitted them. (the only thing I can think of they'd have to worry about is if they sold below cost to drive AMD from market)

[Lanek]

I don't think anti monopoly laws come into play if no companies are trying to compete with you. If NVIDIA had these cards ready to go last year I think it could have only benefitted them. (the only thing I can think of they'd have to worry about is if they sold below cost to drive AMD from market)

Nvidia is not crazy.. this card for consumers was not ready... or GK100 will have exist ( when i was speak early about difference on GK100 and 110, this was not Nvidia have not release the GK100, just they have never push the GK100 outside early tapped out it who have been made around August 2011 , so impossible to know what was Kepler GK100 initially ) ... they have only start to push the GK110 in taped out in May.. ( 2 months after release the GK104 and 7 months after release pushed out the initial samples of the GK100 on test .. ), the GK110 have been starting production in end of summer.. ( who is fast for consummers production, not when you only send core to an HPC center, as yields are not important, what is important is you can delivery them ( who have finally been possible for 14000 chips 3 months later ) . K20 Tesla series have been then launch officially on Q4 2012.

If Nvidia will have launch the GK100 around march or even before ( January 2012 ), this cost 6 months for start the final production after tapped out.. so they should have pay TSMC during since month for launch the GK100 and finally put it down in december.. ( this cost too many time, engineer and money for let it down because GK104 was enough ..)

Its not a question of release them or not, what i was said, is when peoples said, this is the Kepler who was expected to be the GTX680, this is not true. GK100 have been taped out in august 2011 and never released, GK110 is not the Kepler GK100 ... the GK100 have been taped out and lost somewhere between august 2011 and december 2011. We all know how work Nvidia, Gx100 = first cores.. GK110 = the second based on the g100 architecture.

The GK110 is really a revisited GK100 ( with certainly more difference between the GK100 you can see on the GK104 ( more FP64 cores ( 64/SMX ), no Polymorphe engine ( no need for computing , they are replaced by pure DP units )

If the GK110 used in August 2012 for the Titan center, is not even able to use the full cores and SMX available ( one is disabled ), this is really hard to imagine they could have this chip ready for Q1 2012 as a consumer / gaming cards.. specially when it have been taped out in May 2012 ( so after the GK 104 have enter the market ) . And finally release it as a "titan cards " 8 months later .. who dont look to be included in the 700 series so far.

[Handrox]

If we look at the rumors of Kepler, we reported that some of the GTX 680 using GK100/110, proximity information with current reality makes me believe that yes, GK110 was ready that time.

For example this table, see that little lacking to be 100% reliable, if we understand how it happens this time, we see that these results are real and these VGA's already existed at that time, of course, prototypes ...

[Kersh]

GTX Titan will come 800$-900$ I'm sure of it

That's correct

$800 in gpus are normally 1000? in Europe, because the "I love to screw europeans lest do it again!" marketing teams pricing tactics

[Iconyu]

That's correct

$800 in gpus are normally 1000? in Europe, because the "I love to screw europeans lest do it again!" marketing teams pricing tactics

It's not so bad in the UK, once you convert a Newegg price to Sterling and add 20% VAT the prices are within ?5-10 on most components. Sure you may have to shop around but component resellers don't have anywhere near the profit margins of high street retailers. I'm sure in Eastern Europe this observation isn't true, but for the UK at least if you make the effort the only real overhead is VAT.

[herderien]

@kersh : i think it's mainly related to the VAT included / not included difference. but you're also right, they also add a little extra for europeans :'(

[Olivon]

GK100 have been taped out in august 2011 and never released, GK110 is not the Kepler GK100 ...

Round 2 :

Who gives a sh*t about GK100 except you ? Nobody ...

[boxleitnerb]

GK100 have been taped out in august 2011 and never released...

Any reliable source or just fantasy? Do you think Nvidia is so stupid and would repeat the mistake they made with Fermi, i.e. release a large GPU on an unproven new process?

You are going on and on about a GK100, but you have no proof whatsoever. Just stop if you cannot back it up. Seriously, it gets so old.

[BenchZowner]

Lanek:

GK100 didn't exist and won't exist.
You can believe whatever you want, the truth doesn't necessarily reflects what you think or even wish.

If you want to get it right, at least talk about GK204 ( 3072SP ) which should be the next iteration to juice some more $$$ for nV later on.

[zalbard]

GK204 ( 3072SP )

I find it highly unlikely that we will see 3072SP on a single gaming GPU before Maxwell.

[Stevethegreat]

Due to driver enhancements last year (specifically 12.11), AMD managed to outperform the GTX680 with the HD7970s by the end of 2012(GCN latency issues aside) and costs a full 20% less. (Link)

Yes I believe I referred to that. But imagine if titan was out around July/august? No amount of driver updates would had saved AMD..
I have read quite many opinions above of why nvidia chose not to release yesteryear' but I'm still unsure which stand to reason and which don't...

[BenchZowner]

I find it highly unlikely that we will see 3072SP on a single gaming GPU before Maxwell.

I didn't say when... neither can provide you with a "guaranteed" date, but it shall come ( could be even after Maxwell's 1st iteration launches, could be right before Maxwell comes ).

[aussie-revhead]

That's correct

$800 in gpus are normally 1000? in Europe, because the "I love to screw europeans lest do it again!" marketing teams pricing tactics

We have "Australia Tax" here too mate, it's usually significantly cheaper for us to source stuff in USA and pay $60 post than it is to buy locally ... Sucks I tell ya

[CryptiK]

Yep, $899 USD = $1199 AUD and $999 USD = $1299 AUD, even though our dollar is stronger than their dollar. And out stupid government wonder why Australians import so many goods

[zalbard]

I didn't say when... neither can provide you with a "guaranteed" date, but it shall come ( could be even after Maxwell's 1st iteration launches, could be right before Maxwell comes ).

There is no talking about when. Pretty sure it isn't coming at all.
GMxxx is Maxwell, GK204 is Kepler. By the time we have 3072SP on a single gaming GPU we will be well in Maxwell generation.
And I find it unlikely that there will be more GKxx0 professional GPUs released, either.

[BenchZowner]

There is no talking about when. Pretty sure it isn't coming at all.
GMxxx is Maxwell, GK204 is Kepler. By the time we have 3072SP on a single gaming GPU we will be well in Maxwell generation.
And I find it unlikely that there will be more GKxx0 professional GPUs released, either.

You do realize that they have at least some fully functional 16SMX units at HQ don't ya ?
It is a matter of yields, profitability, opportunity, risk & interest and finally a timing thing.

When is Maxwell going to hit the shelves in your opinion ?

[PedantOne]

maxwell was tape-outed few months ago, but NV is waiting for 20nm production

[boxleitnerb]

You do realize that they have at least some fully functional 16SMX units at HQ don't ya ?
It is a matter of yields, profitability, opportunity, risk & interest and finally a timing thing.

When is Maxwell going to hit the shelves in your opinion ?

GK110 has 15 SMX. A 16 SMX GPU would be a completely new design. Highly unlikely that we'll see that with Kepler since it really isn't necessary and would just cost money to design, tape out etc.
There are rumors that initial Maxwell parts will be 28nm too. Either they skip the traditional refresh and release Maxwell@28nm in Q4 2013/Q1 2014 or they release the Kepler refresh and release Maxwell@20nm somewhere in H2 2014.

maxwell was tape-outed few months ago, but NV is waiting for 20nm production

Source? Which Maxwell GPU?

[BenchZowner]

Key of your post... H2 2014 for Maxwell

[boxleitnerb]

What do you think about the Maxwell@28nm rumors, then?
We'll get a Kepler refresh until then, right?

[Rollo]

What I'm curious about is to see if this part really replaces GTX690 as rumoured.

As long as they're at different price/performance points, I don't see why it should. (and have to wonder if with improved yields on 114s/smaller memory bus if 690s aren't cheaper to make)

Am interested to see the reviews, with GTX680 SLi in my main box I probably don't have a lot of reason to buy this card. But I do love to play with new video cards, the rarer the better. I'd have a 690 if the quick sellouts wouldn't have outlasted my lust for one. Was on autonotify with EVGA and newegg for weeks trying to buy one.

[CryptiK]

Given the limited numbers too (in addition to it not being performance matched to the 690) I don't see Titan displacing any of the current 600 series. Its faster than a 680 but slower than a 690, so 690 and 680 SLI users have little incentive to buy one (unless theyre desperate to run single card and would take a performance hit to do it). SLI Titans would be badass but the price is likely to be hideous and unless you are playing modded skyrim or hitman etc 2Gb ram is enough.....and 4Gb 670/680 are available much cheaper. Would be nice to have a rare powerhouse of a card though is the only real appeal, and given no one knows just how good the 700 series will be.....hard to drop for me $1200+ per card on something esoteric and 'fun to play with' when I need 2 to not be a downgrade.....

[cowie]

How are these cards going to be anything more then 750-800usd if a 690 goes for 1k?

Besides them just screwing us then gouging on top of that,even two oc'ed 670's could top a 690 for 200 less.
Guess we will see how it goes in a week or so

[zalbard]

You do realize that they have at least some fully functional 16SMX units at HQ don't ya ?

Nope.

GK110 has 15 SMX. A 16 SMX GPU would be a completely new design. Highly unlikely that we'll see that with Kepler since it really isn't necessary and would just cost money to design, tape out etc.

This.

When is Maxwell going to hit the shelves in your opinion ?

At some point next year.
This year we will see GK114 (or something similar). Rumours about ~1920SP make sense. And then, the next GPU iteration is going to be Maxwell based.

How are these cards going to be anything more then 750-800usd if a 690 goes for 1k?

"Limited edition!" "Fastest single GPU!" "Faster GPU than in the upcoming GTX 780!" "6GB of VRAM, enough to last you for years!"
Lots of way to market this, I'm sure you get the vibe...

[mbreslin]

For the record, with amd's 8xxx 7 months away now, and nothing new from nv as well anytime soon, I'll be grabbing two titans.

I had a bad experience with 5970's and I don't think I'll be going with dual gpu cards ever again.