Raid0 and TRIM Support on Intel 11.5 OROM and Latest v11.5.0.1184 RST Drivers ?

[chinobino]

Windows 8 has RAID 0 TRIM it works perfectly with Intel driver

With which IRST driver and Option ROM?

I tested with different IRST drivers and OROMs and found that Trim for RAID0 is only working on Windows 7 (despite what the Intel Download Centre seems to suggest).

Here are some screenies from my testing.

Windows 7 + Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006 + OROM 11.2.0.1527 = TRIM in RAID0 works

Windows 7 + Intel RST Driver 11.6.1.1002 + OROM 11.6.0.1702 = TRIM in RAID0 works



Windows 8 + Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006 + OROM 11.2.0.1527 = TRIM in RAID0 not supported

Windows 8 + Intel RST Driver 11.6.1.1002 + OROM 11.6.0.1702 = TRIM in RAID0 not supported



Windows 8 + Intel RST Driver 11.2.0.1006 + OROM 11.2.0.1527 + Toolbox v3.1.1 in Windows 7 Compatibility Mode = Error

Windows 8 + Intel RST Driver 11.6.1.1002 + OROM 11.6.0.1702 + Toolbox v3.1.1 in Windows 7 Compatibility Mode = Error

[Zaxx]

this are my adatas on my M5F Z77

optimize is grayed...

The Intel Toolbox is intended for Intel SSDs...doesn't do much for other brands except read smart data.

[Fernando]

I tested with different IRST drivers and OROMs and found that Trim for RAID0 is only working on Windows 7 (despite what the Intel Download Centre seems to suggest).

You are absolutely wrong!

When the "Customize" button of the Intel SSD Toolbox is greyed out or the optimization doesn't have any effect, it only means, that the manually invoked TRIM feature of Intel's SSD Toolbox doesn't work with the related SSDs or Operating System, but it doesn't mean, that the permanently active "TRIM in RAID0" feature of the actual Intel RST drivers doesn't work.

Just to verify that again I just have redone the quick Hex Editor TRIM test on both Operating Systems Win7 and Win8 of my Intel Z77 chipset RAID0 system running the v11.6.2.1002 RST drivers and the v11.6.0.1702 RAID ROM.
Result: TRIM is active within the RAID0 on Windows 7 and Windows 8.

[chinobino]

You are absolutely wrong!

When the "Customize" button of the Intel SSD Toolbox is greyed out or the optimization doesn't have any effect, it only means, that the manually invoked TRIM feature of Intel's SSD Toolbox doesn't work with the related SSDs or Operating System, but it doesn't mean, that the permanently active "TRIM in RAID0" feature of the actual Intel RST drivers doesn't work.

Just to verify that again I just have redone the quick Hex Editor TRIM test on both Operating Systems Win7 and Win8 of my Intel Z77 chipset RAID0 system running the v11.6.2.1002 RST drivers and the v11.6.0.1702 RAID ROM.
Result: TRIM is active within the RAID0 on Windows 7 and Windows 8.

I see - so it's just the Intel SSD Toolbox that can't manually TRIM in Windows 8.

I decided to do the Hex editor test myself to confirm that TRIM is working, using Coup27's method;

Download a hex editor (I think I used winhex) and open a hex view of your disk. Then find a file and write down its location on the disk (offset). Next to the offset will be a set of hexadecimal values which make up the file stored at that location.

Close winhex and delete the file and then empty the recycle bin. Emptying the recycle bin will trigger the trim command. Now leave your PC idle for about 10 minutes. This will give the drives garbage collection time to clean the block where the file was previously stored.

Reopen winhex and take a new snapshot. Search for the offset you noted earlier and next to it should now be a load of zero's. If it is, then you know TRIM is working as that block is now empty (zero = empty).

I did not even have to wait for 10 mins, within 2 mins the file was gone (the offset that the gif file was located at contained all zeroes from that offset onwards) TRIM is definitely working in Windows 8, I am currently using driver 11.2.0.1006 + OROM 11.2.0.1527.

[Fernando]

I see - so it's just the Intel SSD Toolbox that can't manually TRIM in Windows 8.

Exactly.

I decided to do the Hex editor test myself to confirm that TRIM is working, using Coup27's method;

Here I have written a detailed tutorial about how to do it: http://www.station-drivers.com/forum...hp?f=32&t=4023

I did not even have to wait for 10 mins, within 2 mins the file was gone

If TRIM is active, the data are already erased within 1-2 seconds.

[Brahmzy]

Has anybody successfully gotten TRIM to work on a P8P67 R0 array, using a custom OROM 11.x BIOS?

I've read yays and nays - mostly nays. If not I see a P8Z77-V in my near future. Ugh.

[B Gates]

better get that Z77 board because the yays are dreaming. BTW here is a review that shows RAID 0 TRIM working on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 and compares storage performance of both OS's http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=732

[Brahmzy]

better get that Z77 board because the yays are dreaming. BTW here is a review that shows RAID 0 TRIM working on both Windows 7 and Windows 8 and compares storage performance of both OS's http://www.rwlabs.com/article.php?id=732

Thanks BG, I was afraid you'd say that, lol. Really wanted to skip this intel gen and refresh come Haswell. I still may.

[Ourasi]

Thanks BG, I was afraid you'd say that, lol. Really wanted to skip this intel gen and refresh come Haswell. I still may.

Intel SSD Tool's manual TRIM works on raid0 with latest OROM and drivers on my Asus Sabertooth P67, and do indeed have an positive effect. The sad part is that it's Intel SSD's only, like with singelSSD, and likely a slim comfort for those with other SSD brands. No Z77 for me I decided long ago, but this helps in low willpower moments, when explosive sales drops into my inbox.. :P

[B Gates]

Intel SSD Tool's manual TRIM works on raid0 with latest OROM and drivers on my Asus Sabertooth P67, and do indeed have an positive effect. The sad part is that it's Intel SSD's only, like with singelSSD, and likely a slim comfort for those with other SSD brands. No Z77 for me I decided long ago, but this helps in low willpower moments, when explosive sales drops into my inbox.. :P

looks like Intel is giving themselves a pass LOL

[Zaxx]

Intel SSD Tool's manual TRIM works on raid0 with latest OROM and drivers on my Asus Sabertooth P67, and do indeed have an positive effect. The sad part is that it's Intel SSD's only, like with singelSSD, and likely a slim comfort for those with other SSD brands. No Z77 for me I decided long ago, but this helps in low willpower moments, when explosive sales drops into my inbox.. :P

That's some very interesting news indeed. Hopefully someone will bench it out and post it up.

[Ourasi]

The 11.6 OROM/drivers scored 8.5k in Anvil bench before manual TRIM, and 9.2k after. The positive thing is it maintains 9.2k every run after an manual TRIM, while unTRIMMED drops a little for each run done, naturally..

The 11.6 iaStorA/F SCSI and all others of it's kind, are a little slower then the 11.2 iaStor drivers. So for optimal benches one might revert to 11.2 after using 11.6 for TRIMMING, allthough removing the pesky leftovers from SCSI Intels, are a drag at best of times.. It scores 9.7k after reverting from 11.6 and manual TRIM vs. 9.2k with 11.6 and for daily use one would just leave the 11.6 installed as one would never notice the difference.

I might soon SE the drives back to prestine performance, as I now probably can maintain that performance better.

[Zaxx]

I also noticed the better performance of 11.2 but since I don't have a Z77 chipset, I stayed with it but will gladly update to gain R0 trim. Waiting to see how much the 64GB SuperSSpeed SLCs go for but it's soo tempting just to add another 520.

[andressergio]

guys i need some help here

im runing on M5F raid of SSD on sata 3 intel ports and 1 3TB Seagate on the ASMEDIA sata 3 also, when i open intel RST UI gives an error that stopped working, i reinstalled deleted installed again...maybe it fails cauz it tries to read the ASMEDIA ???

[Fernando]

im runing on M5F raid of SSD on sata 3 intel ports and 1 3TB Seagate on the ASMEDIA sata 3 also, when i open intel RST UI gives an error that stopped working, i reinstalled deleted installed again...maybe it fails cauz it tries to read the ASMEDIA ???

Nope, this issue is an Intel RST console software v11.6.0.1030 and v11.6.2.1002 one on Win7. Windows 8 is not affected by that issue.
Which Intel RST driver/software package version are you running?

[andressergio]

Nope, this issue is an Intel RST console software v11.6.0.1030 and v11.6.2.1002 one on Win7. Windows 8 is not affected by that issue.
Which Intel RST driver/software package version are you running?

this one Fernando v11.6.2.1002

but i didnt have problems with ONLY on intel controller, now that im using ASMEDIA also i cant open it...any solution ?

thanks
Sergio

[Fernando]

but i didnt have problems with ONLY on intel controller, now that im using ASMEDIA also i cant open it...any solution ?

It's the updated version of the ISDI2.dll, which causes the problem. You may be able to solve the problem by replacing the DLL file by a previous version. For further details yo may look into >this< discussion.

[andressergio]

It's the updated version of the ISDI2.dll, which causes the problem. You may be able to solve the problem by replacing the DLL file by a previous version. For further details yo may look into >this< discussion.

Thanks Fernando will do !!!

[andressergio]

Fernando i replaced and now it doesnt start says thats an error and that i should restart or reinstall program...

wich version is best to replace ?

**i replaced with a lot and none works

[Fernando]

Fernando i replaced and now it doesnt start says thats an error and that i should restart or reinstall program...
wich version is best to replace ?

Obviously even Intel is still searching for a solution.
I have uninstalled the Intel Rapid Storage Technology software from my Win7 partition and use it only on Win8, where it runs properly.

[Fernando]

@ all users with an Intel 6-series chipset RAID0 SSD system (incl. X79):

If you are waiting for the "TRIM in RAID0" feature, you should have a look into >this< very interesting thread at AnandTech Forum.
According to Dufus he managed it to get TRIM working within his P67 RAID0 array by just modifying the Intel RAID ROM module v11.6.x.xxxx!
These test results verify, that Intel should be able to create an updated RST RAID ROM version, which offers the "TRIM in RAID0" feature for much more Intel chipsets than just the 7-series ones.

[Ourasi]

Can someone plz tell him to post this modified OROM, or how to? The guy is actually afraid Intel will hit him with the "hammer" if he posts this, gee... It's not illigal to modify oroms or bioses, never have been or never will be, period...

[andressergio]

Obviously even Intel is still searching for a solution.
I have uninstalled the Intel Rapid Storage Technology software from my Win7 partition and use it only on Win8, where it runs properly.

tought u said with other dll will work in my case i tried all same error...

[Fernando]

tought u said with other dll will work in my case i tried all same error...

Other users obviously succeeded by replacing the dll file by an older version. I have never tried it, because I don't really need the RST Console.

[Fernando]

The mainboard manufacturers ASRock and GIGABYTE have published the first X79 mainboard BIOSes with the ability to flash an Intel RST RAID ROM of the v11.6 series. A user named snout, owner of a GIGABYTE G1.Assasin X79 board, just has verified, that TRIM is working within his X79 RAID0 system after having flashed the new BIOS containing the Intel RAID ROM v11.6.0.1702. For details you may look >here<.