XS HWBot Team

[BeepBeep2]

Am I missing something here?
What am I missing? I heard what you said about the microcode, and I believe you. But WTF does it do and what does it affect is all I'm asking, because so far I've found that it affects nothing or doesn't appear to "not work"...

Okay, I realize why Gary contacted me, what's the problem? You're gonna fault me for asking people? The worst that can happen is that they say no, and I move on...I don't get all bent out of shape because I'd get denied free , that's delusional...but I'm not gonna sit around and hope for someone to reach out when nobody is watching either...what is wrong with being opportunistic?

What people do you think I've asked? I never asked anyone to give me free hardware to OC all for myself...

I've asked AMD for some CPUs so we can upgrade 10 lab PCs in our high school, where the kids studying for CompTIA and Cisco certs pull apart PCs and we use them for other things too...senior project coming up and plans are to do a distributed computing project...no $$$$ in the program means I'm looking for grants. I asked him for another CPU or two too so I can provide a live LN2 OC demonstration at the school building next month...the guy gave me a maybe.

You claim they (ASUS) dropped Hyper support for CHV, yet it works up to 2133-2200 in 32M with FX, you claim a specific part of microcode didn't flashback for Phenom II, yet it appears to have (who knows if it does or not, and I you still won't explain what it does), you basically claim I sell off anything people ever give me or make it seem like I don't care about it, which isn't true...

I sold off one motherboard to a guy a know and sold a GPU I was given but couldn't use to a person that could put it to use for a lowball price...the rest of the stuff is all still here...

You have always made it seem like I don't know what I'm doing too, you act like I'm an idiot for running Phenom II on Crosshair V, I've been doing it because I had to...my 890FX board took a $#^t in my brother's PC and I didn't have money for another board...all my intel stuff (57x 2600K/MIVE/good PSC) took a $#^t too or otherwise it would have been benched and sold...

Now I have the 990FXA-UD5 which actually works efficiently with the X4s only because my M4A is FUBAR...

I don't see where you're going with this, saying I'm like your son who is in DCF custody because I don't listen, I'm not a little kid anymore chew* and while I'm not always right you probably shouldn't pretend like I'm always wrong either...

[chew*]

No faulting.

Just the harsh reality how this industry works.

The phrase "ask and ye shall receive" does not apply here. In fact it's rather the opposite.

Old boards are dirt cheap, buy em use em. Less chance of killing PH II's, better results etc etc.

BD's imc is looser everything clocks higher. Hyper works....but not like it should no where near what it could.

Example? Use it for 3d benching on Llano. It seems ok, you can run 32m fine but when you try cranking them up and running 3d you see they lack the support and have conflicts with the cpu.

BD is no different. CH5 runs preety relaxxed so combine that with BD's relaxxed imc and you can see decent speeds...about it though.

Sons 17.....he isn't a kid either....well until he's 18...he is to the courts......

[BeepBeep2]

No faulting.

Just the harsh reality how this industry works.

The phrase "ask and ye shall receive" does not apply here. In fact it's rather the opposite.

Old boards are dirt cheap, buy em use em.

BD's imc is looser everything clocks higher. Hyper works....but not like it should no where near what it could.

Example? Use it for 3d benching on Llano. It seems ok, you can run 32m fine but when you try cranking them up and running 3d you see they lack the support and have conflicts with the cpu.

BD is no different. CH5 runs preety relaxxed so combine that with BD's relaxxed imc and you can see decent speeds...about it though.

I realize that I will probably fail 9/10 times I ask, but it barely hurts to put the 5 minutes in to ask in the first place...I get what you mean with "not worth the effort" but who knows, maybe I'll get lucky. I don't think the lottery is worth the effort either, but people still play it.

Old boards are also hard to come by.
I posted up wanted threads for CHIVF/CHIVE/Giga 890FX for a while, no answers...eventually I got the 990FXA-UD5 which should do well:
http://hwbot.org/submission/2263667 (Giga 970 UD3, but no LLC, same with 990FX UD3 no LLC, so Infrared recommended I just pick up UD5)
vs
http://hwbot.org/submission/2295367 (Crosshair V)

I saw about 3D and Hypers on Llano. I thought it was really interesting.

On BD though I can get P95 stable up to 2133 which is pretty nice, not much worse than PSC, kinda like difference on Thuban with Hyper/PSC.

[chew*]

One spec for hyper is 2250 8-8-8. If this can not be acchieved at stock dram and stock NB volts then one needs to ask what is the issue. Is it the board? Is it the cpu? Is it the ram?

In BD's case its the cpu.....can it be fixed with bios? Well psc is tuning is 180 degrees tuning of hyper and no compat issues with BD and sold currently.

Worth electrically retuning board for a dated IC? No.

Worth losing compatibility with a currently sold IC? No.

This is just the basics before release of a product.

[BeepBeep2]

One spec for hyper is 2250 8-8-8. If this can not be acchieved at stock dram and stock NB volts then one needs to ask what is the issue. Is it the board? Is it the cpu? Is it the ram?

In BD's case its the cpu.....can it be fixed with bios? Well psc is tuning is 180 degrees tuning of hyper and no compat issues with BD and sold currently.

Worth electrically retuning board for a dated IC? No.

Worth losing compatibility with a currently sold IC? No.

This is just the basics before release of a product.

Of course.

Same goes for intel setups though (not sure bout lynnfield/bloomfield as much), but same went for Thuban, I feel like the clocks have more to do with something of the IC than just tuning the platform...of maybe just all the platforms aren't tuned for Hypers...but I feel there's more.

As far as microcode not flashing back on CHV, I still don't really understand this...

[chew*]

Make more sense if it was a bar graph but......one flash was designed to write over part of a file not usually written to other one wasn't and it will read only not write back.

[BeepBeep2]

Make more sense if it was a bar graph but......one flash was designed to write over part of a file not usually written to other one wasn't and it will read only not write back.

Okay, I get this much now...
But I don't understand what that part does or why it is important, because it acts the same to me. On 9913 for example, I can't OC CPU-NB or Hypers very well at all...flashing to 0051, everything works great again.

When I had this board in virgin state (no BD BIOS) I only used it on air though, so maybe I'm missing something in regards to how it acts/behaves or how it would have on LN2.

[Don_Dan]

This thread has taken quite a turn for the worse...
Prepping my UD5 and zombie 955 now...got like 5-10L LN2 left, gonna try to use it up tonight tackling CPU-Z/1M/32M on a fresh OS. Had a migraine all morning/afternoon so skipped school and was bedridden...now I'll just stay up the night to fall back into sleep rhythm.

7088 MHz was the highest number I saw with it on the CHV, hopefully I can match that again and get that validated...
Top 3 32M should be easy, depending what it has in it for CPUNB, then 1st/2nd will be a stretch with this CPU. Feels good to have a 7 GHz 955 though

I'm looking forward to seeing some scores!

Okay, I realize why Gary contacted me, what's the problem? You're gonna fault me for asking people? The worst that can happen is that they say no, and I move on...I don't get all bent out of shape because I'd get denied free , that's delusional...but I'm not gonna sit around and hope for someone to reach out when nobody is watching either...what is wrong with being opportunistic?

Don't be so sure about that...

[BeepBeep2]

Oooookay

[ZenEffect]

when your name comes up in private conversation such as pm or in a private section of various forums, you are being watched. its something to think about before posting up criticisms or sarcastic remarks as without doing so, you wont get far.

[Movieman]

snip...
Okay, I realize why Gary contacted me, .

I could write you a book on that guy..

[Dumo]

So many talented overclockers that went exile, either by choice or made it that way by its peer.

For those peeps theres no more audience for their overclocking achievement, they will become obscure as quik as new cpu release

Just be nice and decent to your peers.

Just my 2 cents

[BeepBeep2]

Learning everyday. Thanks guys. However to address a few comments...

My 2c:
My scuffle with chew* is reminiscent of the past, apparently I never understand anything he says...I believe some of what he says is true and some is false, I think he is sometimes a bit quick to come up with a conclusion without all the information necessary to do so.

I'm a bit frustrated with personal attacks too, some I feel don't have any place. Much of what I said earlier I could have stated more elegantly...I didn't mean to say that nobody is watching, because I don't know that or not, but I was being faulted for apparently "asking" for everything and asking everyone which quite simply is not the case, (and I was saying, "what could it hurt to ask courteously?") outside of you guys when you've had some spare hardware or such...and I appreciate it immensely.

I just felt as if he was saying I don't appreciate it, that I just sold all the stuff that was given to me, like I'm some kind of rotten person...

EDIT:
Also, while it may seem rude to challenge his position, most of the time he is talking regarding my issues after I ask a question, I never really get an answer to my question, just bickered at because I never listen to his advice or because I'm doing something really stupid and expecting it to work perfectly (which I don't...)...

[BeepBeep2]

With recent strokes of bad luck and a rough life lately in general, I've been pretty afraid of killing hardware.
I didn't have time the other night to run this 955 again, school was more important. Now I've got the evening and 1/3 dewar of LN2. Hope I don't kill something. I've got a lot of mountains to climb in many places in my life and it's funny that I'm even afraid to climb them in a hobby of mine, I guess I'm worried about the money, I've gotta go to college in 9 months...my money should really not be in this right now, nor should I feel like I have something to prove since I've left a lot of points on the table...

I need to start having fun again...maybe I should swap some CPUs for Semprons/Pentiums and swap GPUs for low-end, grab some TPP along the way.

Sorry guys about cluttering the thread here too, what should have been a civil discussion about some simple things got heated rather quickly and I said some stuff I didn't mean, probably because I never listen to "good advice". There's a lot more I want to say but I should be respectful to my peers too. I feel like there should usually be mutual respect though and there never is.

I feel dumb. Not really sure what all I did wrong but I did something.

Here we go, pouring LN2...

[chew*]

I could write you a book on that guy..

His forum presence and support etc etc is his job.....

I can tell you from personal experience however that when the job is not in the way Gary is the type of guy that will give you the shirt off his own back.

I watched him spend the better part of 2 days tossing a free complete ground up AMD rig together and installing OS etc etc for some poor girl ( complete stranger ) who's system took a dump at quakecon.

After what he did there I will defend him personally as an individual till the cows come home.

My

[Movieman]

His forum presence and support etc etc is his job.....

I can tell you from personal experience however that when the job is not in the way Gary is the type of guy that will give you the shirt off his own back.

My

I'm sure thats what you saw from him but you know me well enough that I'm not BS'ing you and this guy has a lot to learn about dealing with people.
ALL I have ever asked of anyone was to tell me the truth. Good news, bad news, doesn't matter just don't play me because that pisses me off beyond belief.
Someday I'm going to sit down and write it all out with the emails, the dates and then going from him to dealing with that Raja guy..
You know that old expression 'Couldn't find his ass with both hands"? Substitute the word truth for ass and your damned close..
Heading to bed pal,take care of yourself..

[BeepBeep2]

I agree with both of you on a few things.
A few times I've gone to PM Raja over the last year about ASUS products and his PM box was full every time...
Then I'd go to ROG Forums and he wouldn't answer...never has never does.

Then about Gary, I think he is a kind guy personally since he was willing to scrap quite a bit of stuff together for me, just so I could have fun, but also, he would just disappear for no reason at all for weeks, then come back like he was never gone, I'd ask him some questions and by the time he could get back to me he didn't know what I was asking anymore or what I was saying, like when a package he was said to have sent me never arrived and when he finally got back here to talk about it, it was a single PM and he acted like he was glad I was enjoying the stuff that never arrived.

I didn't mean to pester him about it but I was worried the package was lost, apparently at one point it was in Fedex's system...
Just went away and never found out if it got returned to him or if lost completely or whatever...

Then Brian@ASUS, which usually answered any questions I had, just disappeared last year with Gary, though Gary logs in here like once every 4 months for 5 minutes to say something then never follows up on what he says or on the discussion...

...confusing.

I've seen Gary around xda-developers forums pretty active earlier in this year about ASUS tablets/mobile products, but nowhere else.

[chew*]

Gary is under pressure of his job. I'm sure many people can relate to having to do things we don't like for the sake of supporting our family which I know for a fact is very important to him......theres an inside story to that that is personal and his business so I'm not going into detail as I respect peoples privacy.

Raja is just Raja and i'll leave it at that.

Brian@ASUS left ASUS shortly after I quit. He had been accepted at another job.

[BeepBeep2]

Okay, I think I remember talk about Brian@ASUS getting a new job elsewhere, must have slipped my mind.

I tried emailing Gary at his work email about that package during that time too and no replies, seems to me several hundred dollars of hardware he gave up were just lost in the mail or something...he was gonna send me a 990X board to test in early July I believe and mentioned something about "extra surprises" in the package as a type of birthday present or something. (Birthday is in July)

After two months after shipping date (~Sept 2011) I gave up on trying to contact him, I figured he was busy and had more important things to do.

I know his daughter was struck ill...

[Dumo]

Imo, the right thing to do is not talking bout other peeps in this thread, especially if it personal and they're not here to give their side of the story (or whatever it is been discussed).

It just not cool

[Don_Dan]

With recent strokes of bad luck and a rough life lately in general, I've been pretty afraid of killing hardware.
I didn't have time the other night to run this 955 again, school was more important. Now I've got the evening and 1/3 dewar of LN2. Hope I don't kill something. I've got a lot of mountains to climb in many places in my life and it's funny that I'm even afraid to climb them in a hobby of mine, I guess I'm worried about the money, I've gotta go to college in 9 months...my money should really not be in this right now, nor should I feel like I have something to prove since I've left a lot of points on the table...

I need to start having fun again...maybe I should swap some CPUs for Semprons/Pentiums and swap GPUs for low-end, grab some TPP along the way.

Here we go, pouring LN2...

Did you get some results in with the 955?
I understand you're worried about the money and this makes pushing hard kind of impossible.
I thought you bought some Socket A stuff, maybe work on that some more. It's cheap and CPUs can be easily replaced. I don't think beching (cheap) VGAs is such a good idea as you'll still need a decent setup to push them and if you go subzero there's always a risk to the motherboard.

Of course we respect you for what you're doing, however sometimes I think you try to achieve too many things at once, focus on one thing and complete it before you think about the other stuff you can bench! By the way, I'll reply to your PM later.

Imo, the right thing to do is not talking bout other peeps in this thread, especially if it personal and they're not here to give their side of the story (or whatever it is been discussed).

It just not cool

I agree with you, all this shouldn't be discussed in public. I'll clean up a bit when I get the rights to do so.

Guys, if you want to discuss these issues, please take it to PM.

[Mafio]

hey guys, some days ago a dude called me and offered me something which I couldn't really say no.
I'm not going to explain what he offered me etc etc, but one of the terms of the agreement was to leave the team XS.
I hope you guys understand, this is going to be a really big step forward for me and I really couldn't say no to him.

keep up the good work team XS.
Fabio

[BeepBeep2]

Uhh...

No, no results with 955. Only got OS installed and decided I was out of LN2

[Don_Dan]

hey guys, some days ago a dude called me and offered me something which I couldn't really say no.
I'm not going to explain what he offered me etc etc, but one of the terms of the agreement was to leave the team XS.
I hope you guys understand, this is going to be a really big step forward for me and I really couldn't say no to him.

keep up the good work team XS.
Fabio

Well, it makes me very sad to see you leave the team.
I guess I have an idea what you've been offered, so good luck with your new overclocking endeavours!

[Movieman]

hey guys, some days ago a dude called me and offered me something which I couldn't really say no.
I'm not going to explain what he offered me etc etc, but one of the terms of the agreement was to leave the team XS.
I hope you guys understand, this is going to be a really big step forward for me and I really couldn't say no to him.

keep up the good work team XS.
Fabio

Just my 2 cents but asking someone to leave a team over any offer is crossing the line of shall we call it "class"