Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[tajoh111]

The GTX 660 is overclocking nicely, 7 GHz memory

With a nice overclock it's keeping up with a stock 670 and in one case beating a 7970 GHz Edition (3DMark 11). Overclocking is castrated as with the rest of the 600 series though, it seems NVIDIA is trying to push extreme overclockers towards AMD. This card is beating out the GTX 580 and GTX 460 SLI on about 85 % of tests.

In this thread I see a lot of misunderstanding on the way GPUs are designed or just people putting together specs they want with disregard to what is available.

I would say maybe under stock conditions but for the most part they are trading blows. Currently according to hwbot, the gtx 680 has the top score(single card) in 3dmark 06, 3dmark vantage p and 3dmark 11 p. These are among the most popular benches right now.

What is holding back the gtx 680 series the most is the pcb these cards are simply not up to the overclocking challenge. To make many of these records, kingpin and Shamino had to heavily mod the card, more so compared to what I have seen in the 7970. Not every extreme overclocker has a mod king like Shamino with them, so breaking records tends to be more difficult. These PCB actually do matter as most of the records with the 7970 have been achieved with lightning series.

[Lanek]

I would say maybe under stock conditions but for the most part they are trading blows. Currently according to hwbot, the gtx 680 has the top score(single card) in 3dmark 06, 3dmark vantage p and 3dmark 11 p. These are among the most popular benches right now.

What is holding back the gtx 680 series the most is the pcb these cards are simply not up to the overclocking challenge. To make many of these records, kingpin and Shamino had to heavily mod the card, more so compared to what I have seen in the 7970. Not every extreme overclocker has a mod king like Shamino with them, so breaking records tends to be more difficult. These PCB actually do matter as most of the records with the 7970 have been achieved with lightning series.

And if we take 3Dmark11, Vantage, 06 ..... you have 1-2 scores made with 680 in the 20first scores... and even if Kingpin is in front, it is offtly the only score you see in the top 20 with 680. ( 3Dmark11 on Hwbot is a bit special with tesselation disabling ).. ( I admit i have not watch all ranking scores ( 1-2-3x cards etc ). Without saying we dont have all the possibility to choose the best cards between 10-15 models..

The problem is particulary visible with H2o scores too ( by definition, not really extreme )... you have nearly only 7970 scores in the top20. And with the politic of Nvidia to block all voltage increase now (even MSIAB, Asus, Trixxx will not anymore allow voltage control ).. this dont help at all if you dont hard mod the card.

Its absolutely funny to look the top 20ranking on HWBOT for each bench, you have the feeling to see only 7970.

The other way around, lets be honest, if you have a 670-680, with H2o... , you push the slider to 110-120%.. and you forget it, the card will goes to 225-250W, you will gain 100-200mhz with the turbo without even have to think about it.

[[XC] Oj101]

In a word: no. I have yet to see GDDR5 hit the 7GHz mark without error correction kicking in.

Well, do you want to?

I would say maybe under stock conditions but for the most part they are trading blows. Currently according to hwbot, the gtx 680 has the top score(single card) in 3dmark 06, 3dmark vantage p and 3dmark 11 p. These are among the most popular benches right now.

What is holding back the gtx 680 series the most is the pcb these cards are simply not up to the overclocking challenge. To make many of these records, kingpin and Shamino had to heavily mod the card, more so compared to what I have seen in the 7970. Not every extreme overclocker has a mod king like Shamino with them, so breaking records tends to be more difficult. These PCB actually do matter as most of the records with the 7970 have been achieved with lightning series.

I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the first part of your post at all. I'm saying that an overclocked GTX 660 Ti will equal a stock GTX 670 or 7970 GHz Edition in 3DMark 11. You've really lost me with your first paragraph.

NVIDIA has killed overclocking with the restrictions placed on the 600 series. Software may not allow for more than +100mv, cards may not be clocked higher than 1.1 GHz ±2%. MSI was forced to change BIOS on their new Lightning cards to enforce the vGPU limit. They've pretty much leveled the playing field between reference cards and Lightnings. Vince's score won't be achieved by many others, if anyone, as EVBot + GTX 680 is not public.

Last thing, that 18.5k score in 03 is either very bugged or was run at 2D clocks. Getting under 100k is difficult with a 660 Ti and you've got to actually try to get a low score

[Lanek]

The restriction of Nvidia start really to bory me... Many 580's user report with latest drivers, you cant clock anymore the card past 1000mhz. ( whatever is the cooling used ), MSIAB, all software report the clock set, but if you use GPU-z (real time monitoring, not the front page ), the clock are not applied and revert back directly.

[Olivon]

NVIDIA has killed overclocking with the restrictions placed on the 600 series.

Right, this really sucks. Hopefully, some tweaked BIOS are findable on Interzeb.

[Olivon]

[Lanek]

Thanks Olivon .

[Andrew LB]

And if we take 3Dmark11, Vantage, 06 ..... you have 1-2 scores made with 680 in the 20first scores... and even if Kingpin is in front, it is offtly the only score you see in the top 20 with 680. ( 3Dmark11 on Hwbot is a bit special with tesselation disabling ).. ( I admit i have not watch all ranking scores ( 1-2-3x cards etc ).

Well going by the top ranking scores in both single card and multi-card scores over at the Official 3dMark Hall of Fame.... There are only 2 AMD cards that even make the top 20 in the single card category and 2 in the multi-card as well.

http://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame/

[Olivon]

Kepler for the Masses : Nvidia GeForce GTX 660 Ti from Zotac - XBitLabs

[NEOAethyr]

Hey dudes I found this, not sure if it's been posted though.
http://kingpincooling.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1680

Anyone know what resistors to change up for the device id's on the 670/680 boards?
Thinking of going with the 670, been looking at the msi's.
If I got one, I would actually like to mod it into a quadro, I miss having one.

One other ?, sorry.
Are the 670's ref ver's using the exact same pcb as the 680's?, pwm and all... ?

[SubZero.it]

Are the 670's ref ver's using the exact same pcb as the 680's?, pwm and all... ?

The EVGA 670 FTW it's like the 680, I own one and it's really good.

[NEOAethyr]

I see .
I was looking at the galaxy 4gb 670, it had the 8+6pin config, 7 stage pwm.
The galaxy also had dual bios too, but I wasn't able to find all that much info on it.
Some of the higher end 680's have up to 12 pwm stages .
Then I was looking at the evga's and msi's...
I believe the evga 670 ftw or some other variant of it had 7 stage pwm as well.

I ah... ordered the 680 gtx msi lightning, lmao, oh why did I spent $600 on that...
Gotta spoil myself sometimes .
Only has 2 gigs of ram though, which is the only bummer part.
Awesome looking pcb though .
Can't wait 'till it comes in the mail, I just ordered it a few mins ago.
I'll be joining the nv 6xx club .

To be honest I really took a good look at the specs of the 670 and 660ti.
The mem bandwith of the 660ti is about 50% faster then my 460se.
Texture/pixel performance was maybe 10x?
I wasn't sure if it was gonna be enough for some of the stuff I do.
So I went with the 680, it's not much more wattage then my 460se anyways.
Though I hope the 2 gig thing doesn't limit me... :\, still that's 2x what I got now so it'll do I guess.
Shader performance should be nice, good for pc gaming, 1536? is alot more then 288 or so.

Yay... lol

[TRANCEFORMER]

No NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 before March 2013, Maxwell Only in 2014:

http://vr-zone.com/articles/no-nvidi...14-/17073.html

[jimba86]

is that a reliable source?

[Lanek]

Its- VR-zone ... and in reality they dont really offer us anything news here ..

GK110 maybe for first quarter 2013 .. Maxwell have been pushed to 2014 since a long time now ...

Im still not sure for GK106..

[Olivon]

is that a reliable source?

Not really ...

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-rade...ly-/16567.html

http://vr-zone.com/articles/nvidia-k...dp-/15011.html

http://vr-zone.com/articles/amd-post...ary/14404.html

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http://www.arabpcworld.com/?p=18215

http://www.arabpcworld.com/?p=18235

[Frontl1ne]

Thread title reminds me of the time when people thought nvidia was holding back and that the newly released GTX680 wasn't their best card.

Good times

[[XC] Oj101]

Thread title reminds me of the time when people thought nvidia was holding back and that the newly released GTX680 wasn't their best card.

Good times

What's changed? They're still holding back. They're playing both AMD and the consumer :/

[BababooeyHTJ]

What's changed? They're still holding back. They're playing both AMD and the consumer :/

Holding back what? A monolithic die that they can't mass produce? It seems like they are just taking care of their issues with GK104 production and they still haven't rolled out the rest of the lineup. Most of their money is made from the sub-$200 cards that they haven't released.

[Lanek]

What's changed? They're still holding back. They're playing both AMD and the consumer :/

So lets imagine, tomorrow, AMD release a HD8000 who will not wait so fast, with +50% performance vs the 7970-680 ( pure non credible non number, but just for serve the purpose )..
Nvidia is able to release the GK110 the day after ? ..

Lol if it was the case, the GK110 will have been released at the same time of the K20. the K10, just for computing use, HPC; Tesla .. Cause you can play with your gaming consumers, but not with the professional who was waiting a Kepler made for computing. Specially with the promise of their DP strategy increase ( the nice graph we see again and again ).

[zalbard]

They could probably release GeForce GK110 soon. The issue is, it wouldn't be cost-effective. Huge manufacturing expenses, low yields, and most likely not-so-huge gains for gaming (look at all the added GPGPU features). We are likely to get a slightly cut-down version, and not before yields improve. These cards will first come to professional market, where their potential can be fully unleashed, and where prices are significantly higher, allowing for more risky production.

[DilTech]

Thread title reminds me of the time when people thought nvidia was holding back and that the newly released GTX680 wasn't their best card.

Good times

Other than the fact that they are? Remember what NVidia said when they showed off the K20 and were asked when we'd see GK110 in the desktop space?

"When AMD are able to make us do so".

Holding back what? A monolithic die that they can't mass produce? It seems like they are just taking care of their issues with GK104 production and they still haven't rolled out the rest of the lineup. Most of their money is made from the sub-$200 cards that they haven't released.

NVidia are making insane profit margins with the way they have everything laid out and they are STILL outselling their competitors. Only a fool would cannibalize their own sales by releasing a lower margin part unless they absolutely had to. AMD literally are having a hard enough time dealing with NVidia's mid-range kepler, after all.

The obvious reason they haven't released the rest of their line-up, clearing out stock of their previous parts. I hate when companies delay new parts specifically for that reason, but I think it's clear as day in this case that that's what is going on here.

Am I happy about how this is all working? No. I prefer strong competition.

[aussie-revhead]

Thread title reminds me of the time when people thought nvidia was holding back and that the newly released GTX680 wasn't their best card.

Good times

Hey man, yeah I still reckon they shelved the 110 because they could, so the 780 will be a "free" next step for them.

[turbox997]

Eh, Nvidia is just hoarding cash while they still can so they can save it for a rainy day when they need it... there were times when they were in such a position while riding out the storm. Right now it's harvest time.

[Manicdan]

i still dont get these comments. right now that super gpu would sell for thousands in the server world. per mm2 it would be more profitable than anything else out there. but not only would it earn them lots of cash, it will let them set world records or gain crazy market share.

if they wait just 1 year the value of those super gpus drops like a rock to about where things are now. sure yeilds will be higher, but R&D wont change, and their per chip margin will be severely hurt. if they wait 2 years its almost worthless. getting something out AHEAD of schedule in the world of semiconductors is the best thing ever. delaying that costs millions.