AMD Trinity news (looks, its near to launch?)

[kuroikenshi]

Well let's throw this one in for a change.

I reckon that we could have a tablet driven by OMAP5 and IPS 14 Inch running windows RT to perform all normal duties someone with a tablet would, you limit the amount of ports and peripheral on this device to allow a sizeable battery to be allocated.
when docked the computer on the tablet shuts down, however the 14 inch IPS is now used with the hardware on the dock and recharging the battery simultaneously.

Here is the thing Tajoh111, I reckon this can be put together using readily available technology and might actually be a lot simpler than what it sounds since all "docking" does is shut down the tablet computer, recharge your battery and make use of the glorious IPS screen as an actual screen.

If anything said in this post seems wrong or contradictory please debunk as you please.

[tajoh111]

posting laptops that have no ssd, single sticks of ram, and low/medium grade gpus and wondering why the price is low?
simple math. i said start with a 1000$ laptop, add 200$ worth of additional hardware and some innovative case design, and you have what can be done with 1500$+

sharing a screen is easily the best way to reduce the cost of the table. look at the parts list for an ipad 3, lcd panel and touch screen make up 40%. the cpu is only 15$.

and it seems like your trying to contradict yourself all over the place. first you mention low priced tablets with cell phone chips. then you mention high priced tablets with laptop chips. pick you battle please. either you admit that it costs alot to make a powerful tablet, or your picking the wrong hardware for the comparison. i dont want to have an argument that you clearly turned this into, for i have no idea why. if you started thinking outside the box instead of posting old tech, maybe there could be a discussion here.

What are you talking about.

Trinity doesn't have that much power and is hardly real discrete graphics class.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...m-a-new-hope/6

The laptops I just shown have more CPU power and have similar graphic performance. So why scoff and call these low end - mid grade GPU when they are the same thing in a trinity solution but more CPU power. A thousand dollar laptop beats trinity up and down with core i7 processors and discrete graphics. They are uncomparable so it doesn't make sense to use them in your 1000 dollar comparison + tablet comparison.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...%3A00001373%3A

Ivybridge quad core i7-3610qm
GTX 660m
8gbs of Ram
500gb HD.

$849

This laptop is well under a grand and would smack around a trinity laptop into the ground.

The reason I mentioned the standard priced tablet(hardly low as you can get transformer eepc is pretty well featured), is because a user is better off getting both a laptop and a tablet. Because there is less compromise for both and you are not spending as much as you have stated. You don't have to make the other product worse for it to make with the other product. They exist better as two different entities.

Sure there might be no ssd, but at total cost of about 1000 dollars, you can add a 240gb ssd in the laptop laptop for $200. This means you have are getting vastly more storage space(ssd based) for the same cost as your shared storage based solution. Even without this upgrade, in the 1000 dollar scenario, your getting the storage of the SSD in the tablet and the volume of a conventional HD opposed to simply having the storage in the SSD in the tablet to be shared between the two units.

The reason I mentioned the expensive tablet in the first place is your design isn't as cheap to implement as you think? You said 1200 dollars. So I took a 12.1 inch tablet(1100 dollars) that is already on the market, which although has a more expensive processor, your hybrid has two processors so there is no or barely any processor savings. You still need to add the motherboard, ram, cooling battery, battery, connectors and chassis to said dock and as a result your well above the 1200 dollars you mentioned.

A battery dock with a keyboard costs 150 dollars and isn't meant to house as much and has no logic inside really. So I am saying it is going to cost alot more than 1200 dollars. One of the reason's your design is more costly is because larger touchscreen IPS or OLED(needed for wide viewing angles in tablets) LCD panels are significantly more expensive to produce than there 10" counterparts as they are not as mass produced on top of being larger. In fact considering the amount of mass produced 10.1" lcd there are compared to 12.1-14 touch screen lcd panels, I think it may be cheaper to get a 10.1" ips or OLED screen and a regular laptop screen compared to a 12.1-13" screen touch with IPS or OLED. Mass production is everything. This is what makes your 1000 + 200 scenario not work. There is no laptop out there with a touchscreen based IPS or OLED screen that is 13". Your underestimating how much this is really adding to the cost and this Intel based device is the closest match, minus the processor.

The reason why I mentioned two different scenarios is one is to illustrate buying two separate devices isn't as expensive as you think and secondly to illustrate the cost savings of your hybrid designs are not as much as you think. Keeping them two separate designs has a lot of practicality.

Plus you haven't really addressed the battery life issue and the storage issue.

This is hardly thinking outside the box. It is just so impractical that it doesn't make sense.

Are 13" tablets practical?
Is a laptop stuck with 64GB of storage practical?
Is getting a 4 hours of battery life in a tablet(bobcat is closer to intel ULV in power usage than ARM) with limited APP selection practical?
Is paying 1400+ for a laptop powered by a budget CPU/GPU practical? Remember trinity has the CPU power of a core i3 processor with the power of lower end discrete graphics.

The last one is what really kills this thing along with the engineering problems.

Well let's throw this one in for a change.

I reckon that we could have a tablet driven by OMAP5 and IPS 14 Inch running windows RT to perform all normal duties someone with a tablet would, you limit the amount of ports and peripheral on this device to allow a sizeable battery to be allocated.
when docked the computer on the tablet shuts down, however the 14 inch IPS is now used with the hardware on the dock and recharging the battery simultaneously.

Here is the thing Tajoh111, I reckon this can be put together using readily available technology and might actually be a lot simpler than what it sounds since all "docking" does is shut down the tablet computer, recharge your battery and make use of the glorious IPS screen as an actual screen.

If anything said in this post seems wrong or contradictory please debunk as you please.

I agree using an OMAP5 or ARM based solution is better physically. You keep your profile thin, battery life good and windows 8 is being programmed to work on ARM efficiently. The difficulty in this is that ARM and x86 are completely different languages, so the system who need dual OS systems on board.

If the docking is only utilizing the storage and screen and not switching back between resources to increase battery life, your killing much of the what would be benefits if the design was possible and the interconnect existed. By combing this weird design, your getting a over sized tablet, a clunky design( this is going to be one thick screen lid) and have the solution stuck with 64gb of memory.

Wouldn't it be better to keep both ecosystems separately, since when combined they cost the same anyway if not cheaper. I doubt the public would pay this much for an AMD CPU based products, especially without the apple logo on it.

[haylui]

What are you talking about.

Trinity doesn't have that much power and is hardly real discrete graphics class.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...m-a-new-hope/6

The laptops I just shown have more CPU power and have similar graphic performance. So why scoff and call these low end - mid grade GPU when they are the same thing in a trinity solution but more CPU power. A thousand dollar laptop beats trinity up and down with core i7 processors and discrete graphics. They are uncomparable so it doesn't make sense to use them in your 1000 dollar comparison + tablet comparison.

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...%3A00001373%3A

Ivybridge quad core i7-3610qm
GTX 660m
8gbs of Ram
500gb HD.

$849

This laptop is well under a grand and would smack around a trinity laptop into the ground.

The reason I mentioned the standard priced tablet(hardly low as you can get transformer eepc is pretty well featured), is because a user is better off getting both a laptop and a tablet. Because there is less compromise for both and you are not spending as much as you have stated. You don't have to make the other product worse for it to make with the other product. They exist better as two different entities.

Sure there might be no ssd, but at total cost of about 1000 dollars, you can add a 240gb ssd in the laptop laptop for $200. This means you have are getting vastly more storage space(ssd based) for the same cost as your shared storage based solution. Even without this upgrade, in the 1000 dollar scenario, your getting the storage of the SSD in the tablet and the volume of a conventional HD opposed to simply having the storage in the SSD in the tablet to be shared between the two units.

The reason I mentioned the expensive tablet in the first place is your design isn't as cheap to implement as you think? You said 1200 dollars. So I took a 12.1 inch tablet(1100 dollars) that is already on the market, which although has a more expensive processor, your hybrid has two processors so there is no or barely any processor savings. You still need to add the motherboard, ram, cooling battery, battery, connectors and chassis to said dock and as a result your well above the 1200 dollars you mentioned.

A battery dock with a keyboard costs 150 dollars and isn't meant to house as much and has no logic inside really. So I am saying it is going to cost alot more than 1200 dollars. One of the reason's your design is more costly is because larger touchscreen IPS or OLED(needed for wide viewing angles in tablets) LCD panels are significantly more expensive to produce than there 10" counterparts as they are not as mass produced on top of being larger. In fact considering the amount of mass produced 10.1" lcd there are compared to 12.1-14 touch screen lcd panels, I think it may be cheaper to get a 10.1" ips or OLED screen and a regular laptop screen compared to a 12.1-13" screen touch with IPS or OLED. Mass production is everything. This is what makes your 1000 + 200 scenario not work. There is no laptop out there with a touchscreen based IPS or OLED screen that is 13". Your underestimating how much this is really adding to the cost and this Intel based device is the closest match, minus the processor.

The reason why I mentioned two different scenarios is one is to illustrate buying two separate devices isn't as expensive as you think and secondly to illustrate the cost savings of your hybrid designs are not as much as you think. Keeping them two separate designs has a lot of practicality.

Plus you haven't really addressed the battery life issue and the storage issue.

This is hardly thinking outside the box. It is just so impractical that it doesn't make sense.

Are 13" tablets practical?
Is a laptop stuck with 64GB of storage practical?
Is getting a 4 hours of battery life in a tablet(bobcat is closer to intel ULV in power usage than ARM) with limited APP selection practical?
Is paying 1400+ for a laptop powered by a budget CPU/GPU practical? Remember trinity has the CPU power of a core i3 processor with the power of lower end discrete graphics.

The last one is what really kills this thing along with the engineering problems.



I agree using an OMAP5 or ARM based solution is better physically. You keep your profile thin, battery life good and windows 8 is being programmed to work on ARM efficiently. The difficulty in this is that ARM and x86 are completely different languages, so the system who need dual OS systems on board.

If the docking is only utilizing the storage and screen and not switching back between resources to increase battery life, your killing much of the what would be benefits if the design was possible and the interconnect existed. By combing this weird design, your getting a over sized tablet, a clunky design( this is going to be one thick screen lid) and have the solution stuck with 64gb of memory.

Wouldn't it be better to keep both ecosystems separately, since when combined they cost the same anyway if not cheaper. I doubt the public would pay this much for an AMD CPU based products, especially without the apple logo on it.

perhaps if you would just reply : "Intel FTW". It would be more than enough.

[tajoh111]

perhaps if you would just reply : "Intel FTW". It would be more than enough.

AMD has it's place and that is in budget minded laptops, where it doesn't have to compete against higher end core i7 or even core i5 combined with discrete graphics from Nvidia or AMD. Against core i3 or i5(in some instances) with only intel graphics, it is the better option for gaming minded people. Go into the 1000 dollar laptop plus range and your going against intel processors that commonly beat it by 50% percent in benchmarks and discrete graphics with something like double the power.

It is not about Intel or AMD at that point, it is simply about getting a good laptop for your money.

[haylui]

AMD has it's place and that is in budget minded laptops, where it doesn't have to compete against higher end core i7 or even core i5 combined with discrete graphics from Nvidia or AMD. Against core i3 or i5(in some instances) with only intel graphics, it is the better option for gaming minded people. Go into the 1000 dollar laptop plus range and your going against intel processors that commonly beat it by 50% percent in benchmarks and discrete graphics with something like double the power.

It is not about Intel or AMD at that point, it is simply about getting a good laptop for your money.

the pricing and positioning is not determine by AMD itself and alone.
most of the laptop makers put A6 Trinity system at SGD$1000 level, at this level there are much much more Intel options are available.

see Asus for example, A6-3420M selling for SGD$999 while i5-2450M for SGD$899.
http://itfairsg.com/pcshow2012/asus-...brochure-9090/ (AMD Trinity laptop pricing)
http://itfairsg.com/pcshow2012/asus-...brochure-9064/ (Intel i5 laptop pricing)

edit: the i5 system even comes with nVidia GT 610M with 2GB Graphic RAM on it.