AMD Trinity news (looks, its near to launch?)

[FlanK3r]

AMD at mainpage officially show spec of Trinity desktop APU
http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...nstream.aspx#7

[tbone8ty]

Cool!

We will find out release date tomorrow during their keynote

[Piledriver]

AMD at mainpage officially show spec of Trinity desktop APU
http://www.amd.com/us/products/deskt...nstream.aspx#7

So Trinity reached bulldozer frequencies with a GPU and with a lower TDP

[boxleitnerb]

^ and half the cores...

[flyck]

^ and half the cores...

FX4100 : 3.6GHz ->TB 3.8GHz >> 95W TDP

A10-5700: 3.4GHZ -> TB 4GHz + 384Gpu @ 760MHz >> 65W TDP

[FlanK3r]

but 4100 has +L3 cache....I think TDP is moral point. It can be same TDP and in practice 20W difference. Anyway Trinity seems good.

[tbone8ty]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/a...-computex-201/

trinity transformer

[Manicdan]

http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/06/a...-computex-201/

trinity transformer

that thing is really thick
almost call that a laptop with removable keyboard. i dont think trinity is really designed for tablets which should have a power consumption around 5-10w, not 10-20w

[tbone8ty]

true but its a prototype and at least they showing us something lol

where are the 17w trinity A10's????? jeez

anyword on desktop parts?

[tbone8ty]

http://www.techpowerup.com/167290/AS...2A75-Pro4.html
nicest board ive seen so far for desktop trinity, love the all blacked out look

[Manicdan]

true but its a prototype and at least they showing us something lol

where are the 17w trinity A10's????? jeez

anyword on desktop parts?

imagine a hybird tablet/laptop with amd chips:
screen has bobcat (or whatever the next ultra low power chip will be called, i honestly forgot),
and the dock has extra battery and a trinity.
if you need good battery life or doing some simple tasks you run the smaller chip, and when you need the higher performance you run trinity.

example:
student takes tablet portion and mouse/roll-up rubber keyboard to class if needed.
student then goes to the dorm to dock his screen and loads up some crysis to his big screen tv.
student is very happy.

we pay for every little piece of hardware, when many parts probably can be reused. getting 15 hours of use out of a transformer like table that has a keyboard/battery dock is great. but then the extra motherboard with a beefier chip is all thats missing to turn it into a gaming laptop. so why pay 1500-2000$ for a tablet and then a laptop, when for 1200 we can have a product that does both, by sharing the screen, hard drive, battery, case, keyboard, ports, etc.

[haylui]

imagine a hybird tablet/laptop with amd chips:
screen has bobcat (or whatever the next ultra low power chip will be called, i honestly forgot),
and the dock has extra battery and a trinity.
if you need good battery life or doing some simple tasks you run the smaller chip, and when you need the higher performance you run trinity.

example:
student takes tablet portion and mouse/roll-up rubber keyboard to class if needed.
student then goes to the dorm to dock his screen and loads up some crysis to his big screen tv.
student is very happy.

we pay for every little piece of hardware, when many parts probably can be reused. getting 15 hours of use out of a transformer like table that has a keyboard/battery dock is great. but then the extra motherboard with a beefier chip is all thats missing to turn it into a gaming laptop. so why pay 1500-2000$ for a tablet and then a laptop, when for 1200 we can have a product that does both, by sharing the screen, hard drive, battery, case, keyboard, ports, etc.

hope people in AMD see this and seriously consider your opinion with real product coming.
AMD needs to innovative than just follow the footstep of mainstream manufacturer.
It would be great if the tablet running on bobcat could dual boot or virtual machine running Android ICS 4.0.

[tbone8ty]

trust me you will see an AMD dual booting win8/andriod

http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases...2011oct20.aspx

[tajoh111]

imagine a hybird tablet/laptop with amd chips:
screen has bobcat (or whatever the next ultra low power chip will be called, i honestly forgot),
and the dock has extra battery and a trinity.
if you need good battery life or doing some simple tasks you run the smaller chip, and when you need the higher performance you run trinity.

example:
student takes tablet portion and mouse/roll-up rubber keyboard to class if needed.
student then goes to the dorm to dock his screen and loads up some crysis to his big screen tv.
student is very happy.

we pay for every little piece of hardware, when many parts probably can be reused. getting 15 hours of use out of a transformer like table that has a keyboard/battery dock is great. but then the extra motherboard with a beefier chip is all thats missing to turn it into a gaming laptop. so why pay 1500-2000$ for a tablet and then a laptop, when for 1200 we can have a product that does both, by sharing the screen, hard drive, battery, case, keyboard, ports, etc.

So many things wrong with this. It is just a barrel of compromises. First off tablets are cheap enough and are not 1500-2000. Even priced separately, you can get a tablet for 400 dollars and core i5 laptop or llano laptop for about 600 dollars.

The biggest problem with your concept is that there isn't an interface at the current moment that supports enough bandwidth to do all this transferring. I.E Ram and memory sharing would be horribly bottlenecked. Sharing resources would be inefficient and slow. You would need an external connection that has to have enough bandwidth to support basically CPU work, SSD storage, Ram and graphics. This doesn't exist and wont for the near future. As a result, there would be a bandwidth catastrophe. Your better off keeping the Dock as a low bandwidth communication hub(keyboard, display output) where tasks would not be hampered by the low bandwidth available. Graphic docks are a complete failure in general because of this and they are not doing half as much as your concept is wanting to do.

Even if this imaginary connection existed, the driver setup would be a nightmare. Two different architecture communicating between two different CPU's, integrated to discrete, two different OS, sharing Ram and bandwidth. It would be an incredible task for a very very niche product and would probably be not worth the effort( 11" gaming laptops are niche enough, this would be even more niche considering your trying to sell a tablet along with your 10.1-11" gaming laptop).

And lets get back to reality, for the dock in essence to work and not be held back by memory bandwidth, the dock would have to have its own CPU, RAM, HD and graphics and at this point it is more of a sync point than anything, because it is self contained and more or less the guts of a real laptop.

As a result, the screen(which is a pain in the ass compromise as having a 10.1"-11" screen on your main laptop is annoying[which it better be at 1000+]) and I guess the keyboard(which will be terrible considering it has to be sized to fit a 11"-10" screen) are the only thing that can be shared between the two devices. In essence, you have two portable devices with extreme compromises in both ends.

This concept has more flaws than a convertible tablet PC(which doesn't have the interconnect problem, nor as much compromises in usability) and the convertible tablet market is a bust. This gaming hybrid(lets not forget Trinity is pretty scoffed at as a gaming solution) is so flawed that I don't think any company, even apple could make it a success.

Whats the point of this concept, when it cost the same as a both solutions put together and your stuck with an undersized, overly compromised gaming laptop in the end(with poor performance for a gaming laptop).

[kuroikenshi]

So many things wrong with this. .

I am not an engineer, but I for one would never say never. It's all dependant on technology and R & D.

[EniGmA1987]

imaginary problems

I see a lot wrong with your assumptions on issues. For one, there are already dual socket systems used all the time. And processors have more than one core and work fine, its the same thing really. All you have to do is get Microsoft to integrate a driver into Windows so people dont have to worry about installing it manually, and this driver just lets Windows know to assign tasks to the highest speed processor that is available. Architecture wise wouldnt be different, you can have the super low power one made on the same Piledriver core as Trinity. Pretty much all AMD processors are moving to that architecture. The interconnect is already available and simple to do. AMD would need to make a proprietary connector for their interconnect to use, like all tablet docks currently do. And as for sharing the RAM, we already have enough bandwidth for the current CPUs as is, and you could probably just make the memory commands pass through the primary processor, instead of some complicated setup with multiple traces. It would add a little bit of latency, but not a ton. For graphics memory you could either use 512MB of vram inside the dock wired directly to the graphics cores or you can make it share RAM like all current setups do, it too wouldnt be a big deal. hard drive bandwidth isnt any different since the connection bandwidth is far greater than the slow performance of the integrated eMMC flash memory used in tablets. You would MAYBE lose a handful of IOps from the connection.

And no there wouldnt be two different OSes. Where did you even pull that from? The person you quoted also said Why pay $1200-1500 for a tablet AND a laptop, not each one costing that much. And Trinity may be "scoffed at" as a gaming solution, but it is vastly more powerful than the current line of graphics on tablets.

[Manicdan]

First off tablets are cheap enough and are not 1500-2000. Even priced separately, you can get a tablet for 400 dollars and core i5 laptop or llano laptop for about 600 dollars.


the dock would have to have its own CPU, RAM, HD and graphics

As a result, the screen(which is a pain in the ass compromise as having a 10.1"-11" screen on your main laptop is annoying[which it better be at 1000+]) and I guess the keyboard(which will be terrible considering it has to be sized to fit a 11"-10" screen) are the only thing that can be shared between the two devices. In essence, you have two portable devices with extreme compromises in both ends.

a 500$ tablet, plus its 150$ dock, then a 1000$ laptop, and boom were right in the same price range that i gave you. a 600$ llano laptop will not be top of the line at all for the 35W segment, and 400$ is the starting price for any decent tablet. one that can run win8 and do almost anything a laptop can (poorly) should sell for more than 400$. 1200$ gives you room to put in an SSD and high quality cpus, but still saves your 300-800$

the dock would have an APU and RAM. the screen would only need like 2-4GB of non removable ram, while the dock can have 2 slots and let the user put in whatever they want. were talking about 20$ of replicated parts for the screens pc

who said it had to be an 11" square tablet? why not a 13" 16:9 with 1080p? if your thinking about whats already out there. then you are not thinking about what could be done.

the only thing that actually gets connected across the screen and dock is a monitors connection (hdmi/dvi/dp), the hdd which can run like an esta, and power. why would you waste all the extra effort to make the smaller chip try and use ram form the dock or the docks gpu. the goal is for the smaller chip is to run the most basic tasks. like watching movies and browsing the web and word processing.

[cezar]

A lot of new FM2 and 990FX boards in one place:

http://www.coolenjoy.net/bbs/cboard....ga=&cat=&vote=

[tbone8ty]

Nice!

Would interested in finding outs new about the saber tooth R 2.0

[Darakian]

What differences are there between the A75 and A85 chipsets?

[superpyton]

A85 have eight SATA 3.0 ports (A75 - six) and it supports RAID 5.

[tajoh111]

a 500$ tablet, plus its 150$ dock, then a 1000$ laptop, and boom were right in the same price range that i gave you. a 600$ llano laptop will not be top of the line at all for the 35W segment, and 400$ is the starting price for any decent tablet. one that can run win8 and do almost anything a laptop can (poorly) should sell for more than 400$. 1200$ gives you room to put in an SSD and high quality cpus, but still saves your 300-800$

the dock would have an APU and RAM. the screen would only need like 2-4GB of non removable ram, while the dock can have 2 slots and let the user put in whatever they want. were talking about 20$ of replicated parts for the screens pc

who said it had to be an 11" square tablet? why not a 13" 16:9 with 1080p? if your thinking about whats already out there. then you are not thinking about what could be done.

the only thing that actually gets connected across the screen and dock is a monitors connection (hdmi/dvi/dp), the hdd which can run like an esta, and power. why would you waste all the extra effort to make the smaller chip try and use ram form the dock or the docks gpu. the goal is for the smaller chip is to run the most basic tasks. like watching movies and browsing the web and word processing.

ThinkPad T520
Intel Core i5-2520M Processor (2.50GHz, 3M Cache with Turbo Boost up to 3.20GHz)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium (64 bit)
15.6" HD+ (1600 x 900) LED backlight Anti-Glare display, with Wireless WAN Antenna
NVIDIA Quadro NVS4200M Optimus technology (1GB)
4 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (1 DIMM)
UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad) No Fingerprint Reader
320GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
DVD Recordable
6 Cell 2.6Ah Li-Ion Battery
Intel WiFi Link 1000
Mobile Broadband ready (no mobile broadband module)

This is the type of system you can get for about 600 dollars. 616 to be more precise.

Vostro 3550 w/Core i5-2450, 4GB RAM, 320GB HD, Radeon 6630M 1GB, Win 7, DVDRW - $549

HP Laptop, i5-2450M, Radeon HD7690M XT, 750GB, Bluetooth, WiDi, USB 3.0, $498

Both these setups have faster processors than trinity by quite a bit. At least according to anandtech. The thinkpad t series is hardly bottom of the barrel.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/a...m-a-new-hope/5

Thus, a $1000 dollar laptop would blow this thing away. As you can easily find a laptop with a near top shelf processor and discrete graphics for that much.

In addition, the dock is hardly necessary for a student with a laptop. And you get the rather new transformer ee pad with tegra 3 and 32gb of storage for 399(519 with dock).

So the only thing you would be sharing is storage and the screen when docked? Not Ram AND CPU and graphics? This hardly seems efficient at this point, since your not getting any benefit from powersavings when the thing is docked by using any of the resources in the tablet portion. Another problem with keeping storage associated with actual tablet portion is size. The largest modules at the current moment in tablets are 64gb and they come at a massive premium(200 dollar upgrade over a 16gb model). 64 gb seems hardly enough for a laptop, especially a gaming one. You can get a 240gb SSD that is crazily faster for under 200 dollars now.

A 13" tablet? Ever think about battery consumption. This is a tablet that has an equivalent bobcat like processor in it(18 watts). The run time is 3 and a half hours. Tablets get 10 hours in the same tests.

http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/asus...wBody;paginate

Weight is another issue and a 13" tablet would simply weigh too much and the user would hate it for everyday usability.

That brings us to another related point. Bob cat is simply too power hungry. Arm processors use in the range of 1-2 watts range. Bob cat or any other x86 is much higher than that. Not to mention that this ee-pad costed 1100 dollars out of the gate. Putting and AMD equivalent would save max 200 dollars(as the ulv processor in the intel one cost 250). With the elaborate dock your putting in this thing, minimum 1400 bucks. The motherboard, ram, larger battery, processor, ports can't be done for 300 dollars.

Not to mention what makes or breaks a tablet at this point is their app marketplace. Keeping this thing windows 8, would be a death sentence at this point. MS partnered with the largest phone maker in the world and windows phones are in a downward spiral.

So many compromises it is not even funny. People don't want to pay 1400 dollars, which is getting really expensive and have trinity at the middle of this thing. It is simply too expensive for an AMD based solution and is much less practical and slower than a laptop and tablet separately.

[Darakian]

A85 have eight SATA 3.0 ports (A75 - six) and it supports RAID 5.

Not much then. Thanks.

[FlanK3r]

And 2x 8 CrossfireX

[Manicdan]

snip

posting laptops that have no ssd, single sticks of ram, and low/medium grade gpus and wondering why the price is low?
simple math. i said start with a 1000$ laptop, add 200$ worth of additional hardware and some innovative case design, and you have what can be done with 1500$+

sharing a screen is easily the best way to reduce the cost of the table. look at the parts list for an ipad 3, lcd panel and touch screen make up 40%. the cpu is only 15$.

and it seems like your trying to contradict yourself all over the place. first you mention low priced tablets with cell phone chips. then you mention high priced tablets with laptop chips. pick you battle please. either you admit that it costs alot to make a powerful tablet, or your picking the wrong hardware for the comparison. i dont want to have an argument that you clearly turned this into, for i have no idea why. if you started thinking outside the box instead of posting old tech, maybe there could be a discussion here.