Swiftech's new products for 2012

[situman]

A bit of a stretch lol but I see your point. Waiting for it to be available and ivy bridge.

So you already declared it to be the best eh? I hope so too. A nice and compact clean system. :-)

[Waterlogged]

@waterlogged: Still working on it. I know you've been waiting long, just a little bit more patience.

Thanks Gabe...are we talking a few weeks or 1+ months?

...and more importantly, why am I the only one that seems interested in them?

[phinix_mike]

I'm sure there are more people waiting for them too.
However looks like majority is awaiting for new fantastic APD2 !!!

[MengNa]

I would also like to get a single 140 for upgrading my loop. It should go great in my Corsair 700D on the divider between the PSU and MB compartments.

[jasper1975]

Any word on a release date for the MCP35X2 heatsinks?

[Martinm210]

Does martin got a sample already? Would be nice to see an early review.

Sorry, I'm not doing any more block reviews. I've got four more radiators and possibly one round of fans and then going into permanent testing retirement..

I figure this last round of CPU blocks cost me over $1000 replacing test damaged hardware alone. I can't afford it!

[st0ned]

Sorry, I'm not doing any more block reviews. I've got four more radiators and possibly one round of fans and then going into permanent testing retirement..

I figure this last round of CPU blocks cost me over $1000 replacing test damaged hardware alone. I can't afford it!

Sad to know you'll be going for good Though if it's about money I think WC brands would finance you to keep on doing what you do so well I wish you were just taking a break.

[stephenswiftech]

Any word on a release date for the MCP35X2 heatsinks?

In production. ~ 3 weeks

[Church]

Martin: out of curiosity - which & how hw got damaged in block test?

[Martinm210]

Martin: out of curiosity - which & how hw got damaged in block test?

i7-2600k and/or 1155 MSI board, too many high pressure mounts...no post..nada. Not sure if it was the MB or processor that went south, but one or both were another testing donation I made.

Anyhow, back on topic. I am sure Stephen will share some sort of HD vs APD2 data at release to satisfy the performance questions.

[Kayin]

Generally, at this juncture it could cool like the ALC ECO block/pump I have here on the desk but actually have a functional mount system and I'd use it. My system is dying here. Alabama heat, stock cooling and a low airflow setup at the moment are destroying it.

Here's a more interesting question for Stephen/Gabe-can I put a pelt on the Drive II? I'm really interested in returning to ambient or thereabouts , and it's an issue of I can go to a purpose built pelt block and controller and have no idea where to put my pump or I can go with the Drive II and make a clean loop, but lose the lower temps. I'm already running a Delta 1100W PSU with plenty of headroom. If it came down to it I have room to drop a Meanwell in there. But are there any plans at the moment (I know Gabe was mentioning pelts again, so I thought I'd ask...)

[stephenswiftech]

You would need to do some modifications to the base plate (cold plate mounting holes), remove any and all features that give the base plate its convexity (box), relap the base plate flat. Base on its size you could go up to 50 mm sq TECs. Oh and you would need to use your own mounting screws.

I don't think it would make a lot of sense unless you are running a pretty low TDP CPU.

[Kayin]

All right then. I just had to ask. Someone who apparently likes me sent me a link to a pelt based chiller. Should work much better along with giving me the freedom to use any block I want. Like the Drive II.

[Trox]

Any price idea about apogee drive II?

[Church]

Ehh, sorry to stephen & gabe for hijacking thread with offtopic.
Martin: i recall once reading thread about trying to make cpu simulator. As in similar die size, similar heat dump, just that artificial heat source. I wonder if making it close enough is possible (including mounting sys). Of course, you retired a bit from testing (& big thanks for your enormous job done in it ), but if you ever feel like returning to testing in few years, imho it's worthy enough idea to explore in future (after all, you made yourself several DIY benching contraptions for testing other components). Making it modular might solve few things with it - replaceable heat source to simulate different core types, replaceable mounting sys - to solve mounting longetivity. Calibrating side by side with comparing to real cpu-s might help to tune it down closer to real ones, yet with lesser number of damaging mounts on actual cpus then in case of testing all the blocks on them ..

Hmm, noticed new helix fans @swiftech's page. Martin: if you ever get back to fan testing (i know, i know, retirement and such ) - imho these might be interesting ones as well, with fan blades and max rpm so similar to GT AP-15's. Mentioned Z bearing probably is some kind of hydrodynamic bearing vs ball bearing @GT, who knows how it will compare, but helix fans have smaller motor size on their side.
Gabe/stephen: any plans for helix fans of 140mm size?

[phinix_mike]

Can we have an update on APD2? Week almost ended, do you guys finally have your hands on those puppies?

[Martinm210]

Ehh, sorry to stephen & gabe for hijacking thread with offtopic.
Martin: i recall once reading thread about trying to make cpu simulator. As in similar die size, similar heat dump, just that artificial heat source. I wonder if making it close enough is possible (including mounting sys). Of course, you retired a bit from testing (& big thanks for your enormous job done in it ), but if you ever feel like returning to testing in few years, imho it's worthy enough idea to explore in future (after all, you made yourself several DIY benching contraptions for testing other components). Making it modular might solve few things with it - replaceable heat source to simulate different core types, replaceable mounting sys - to solve mounting longetivity. Calibrating side by side with comparing to real cpu-s might help to tune it down closer to real ones, yet with lesser number of damaging mounts on actual cpus then in case of testing all the blocks on them ..

Hmm, noticed new helix fans @swiftech's page. Martin: if you ever get back to fan testing (i know, i know, retirement and such ) - imho these might be interesting ones as well, with fan blades and max rpm so similar to GT AP-15's. Mentioned Z bearing probably is some kind of hydrodynamic bearing vs ball bearing @GT, who knows how it will compare, but helix fans have smaller motor size on their side.
Gabe/stephen: any plans for helix fans of 140mm size?

Die Simulator is something I have always been very curious about building, but I've seen over and over again where it has simply failed to represent a CPU properly. I wish I could as it would be more controlled and avoid damaging hardware, but die simulators have no place in block testing reviews IMHO. The mechanical contact and heat signature of the actual processor is something you just can't simulate. I have seen myself where the 2600K vs 3930K results are completely different such that a die simulator just can't simulate well enough.

I've been getting a lot of support for my efforts lately which is lifting my spirits quite a bit, so I will likely continue to do reviews but just at a much much slower "as supported" pace is all. I will probably be creating some sort of "what's next testing poll" for deciding where to go next. I want to return the favor to my supporters some how in making them part of the decision process in my future testing priorities.

If you guys really want to see the APD2 tested, let me know. I haven't had any requests for it on my site though from my supporters. I am interested in it myself, but that's not how I'm prioritizing my limited time and future reviews anymore. I have got to a support system and figure I have about 2 reviews worth built up.

The APD2 would certainly be a viable future review if that's what was decided.

[Trox]

Glad to hear that martinm, is very interesting seeing how different processors react to respective blocks, I would love to see differents CPU testes under same blocks, for example lets take de Apogee HD or the raystorm por example, and put it under differents plataforms.

In my country im very limited (WC does not exist here), but I would love to make it, put under test 2 blocks with CPU going from Presscott(I wont have any problem finding one of this :P) to Ivy for example, and most important of course the new plattaforms: SB, SB-e & IB.

I'm very exited about this, I will make some numbers to see if I can get this running for the sake of the community.

Cheers-

Bruno

[Utnorris]

@Martin - Definitely. Test it.

[Endgame]

I've been getting a lot of support for my efforts lately which is lifting my spirits quite a bit, so I will likely continue to do reviews but just at a much much slower "as supported" pace is all. I will probably be creating some sort of "what's next testing poll" for deciding where to go next. I want to return the favor to my supporters some how in making them part of the decision process in my future testing priorities.

How best does a person lend support? I'd love to contribute!

[Martinm210]

I've got my eye on the retail APD2 for when it comes out. I still have a few other rads and fans to test before opening up more work. Figured I'd start some sort of thread or page on my site to brainstorm future testing requests, then take a poll on it.

Looking forward to the Drive II release..what's not to like when you combine a 35x motor, HD block, heatsink, and an LED. That's a lot of premium goodness in one package..

[squick3n]

How best does a person lend support? I'd love to contribute!

There is a donate button on his webpage.

I've got a MCP35X2 top coming for my two pumps. Something I read on OCN has me freaked a little, though. I plan on making sure my motherboard limits the output via PWM, but there's always that couple seconds at startup where the fans/pumps run at 12V before the motherboard posts. Even though I've run dual D5s at 100%, I'm paranoid I'm going to explode some fittings or tubing with as much power as that thing pushes.

[Kayin]

If we didn't blow them out with Mag7s, I think that'll be OK. I remember those days. So much fun getting them into a PC case...

[stephenswiftech]

There is a donate button on his webpage.

I've got a MCP35X2 top coming for my two pumps. Something I read on OCN has me freaked a little, though. I plan on making sure my motherboard limits the output via PWM, but there's always that couple seconds at startup where the fans/pumps run at 12V before the motherboard posts. Even though I've run dual D5s at 100%, I'm paranoid I'm going to explode some fittings or tubing with as much power as that thing pushes.

it depends on the motherboard, really. I've played with MSI/2600K not so long ago and even for the very first few seconds of boot, the motherboard does generate the right PWM output. Motherboards don't all do that, though.


I don't see how a MCP35X2, as powerful as it is, could explode anything. The worst thing that could happen is show you that one of the fitting or clamp wasn't tight enough (finger tighteners we know who you are ahaha j/k :P ).

8mH2O (max head pressure which you'll never reach in a flowing liquid cooling loop) only is about 11.5 PSI..

[squick3n]

it depends on the motherboard, really. I've played with MSI/2600K not so long ago and even for the very first few seconds of boot, the motherboard does generate the right PWM output. Motherboards don't all do that, though.


I don't see how a MCP35X2, as powerful as it is, could explode anything. The worst thing that could happen is show you that one of the fitting or clamp wasn't tight enough (finger tighteners we know who you are ahaha j/k :P ).

8mH2O (max head pressure which you'll never reach in a flowing liquid cooling loop) only is about 11.5 PSI..

Thanks for putting my mind at ease. All my fittings are compression fittings so I'm pretty sure they'll hold.

If you are taking requests, I'd also like to chime in for support for some 7/16-5/8 Lok-Seal Compression fittings