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    GSKILL TridentX F3-2666C11D DDR3-2666 + ASUS M5G

    So with the launch of Z77 comes this big jump in memory frequency over previous platforms (well previous Intel platforms at least) and the bandwidth gains that come with it.

    So far it looks like there are three main schools of thought,

    1) Insanely tight timings (7-10 perhaps 6-10/9 or maybe an Andre/Shamino special 5-9) with memory frequencies between 2400-2700
    2) Reasonable timings (9-11/12 10-11/12) with frequencies 2600-2800
    3) Loose timings and high frequencies 2800+

    Let me just weigh in on my person thoughts real quick.

    (1) Insanely tight timings and high frequency will give you the best result, but it does in most cases require LN2 on the memory and brings with it high risks. If you are going after the 3DMark01 or SuperPI 32m world record, yes this is the best option, but not for every day benching. This would be done with PSC or BBSE.

    (2) The ideal option for most users. A good mix of bandwidth, reasonable timings and frequency will be optimal for most benchmarks. The risk is also very low with this option, as you can run this on air.

    (3) So far in my testing I havn't found a time when this is the best option. In most cases to run memory this high you have to loosen off the secondary and tertiary (third) timings and you take a bandwidth hit.

    When you bench Ivy Bridge, it is more than likely your chip will bench at full pot or close to full pot. Due to these cold temperatures and the fact your cold boot bug will require you to continually warm up/cool down means condensation/water will probably gravitate towards your memory slots, just like on AMD. Andre/Shamino need some serious props for running their memory on subzero for all their benching, that seriously isn't easy and adds another level of risk/troubleshooting into the benching. That aside, most benchers will want to run memory on air as it will be much easier to manage especially when ice/water is already impacting the memory slots, which is why for 99% of benching I choose options (2).

    GSKILL have put out their TridentX series of kits, all of which look very strong. I have tested the F3-266611D and Dino is testing the 2600 and they both have strong performance. Here is some results that I have been able to achieve with probably the strongest memory clocker around the ASUS M5G.

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    These sticks are designed specially for that (2) I was talking about, reasonable timings and good frequency. Please keep in mind on this platform TRCD doesn't really make much of a bandwidth difference, tightening CAS can be good for 32m, but timings as you might be familiar with them on Sandy Bridge/Gulftown act in totally different ways.


    Performance Figures

    Stock frequency, tightened up with 10-12-12-31 1T


    1350 MHz, 10-13-13-31 1T


    1400 MHz 11-13-13-31 1T, 1.7v


    1423 11-13-13-31 1T, 1.74v


    1443 11-13-13-31 1T, 1.74v, slightly looser subtimings


    As you can see from these results, the bandwidth is a little up and down. Some of that can be to do with the CPU frequency, but also some is the tightening/loosening of sub-timings to achieve specific frequencies. While this kit is designed specially to offer option 2 with good timings/good frequency, it also has the super high frequency there if you want it. For me benching day in day out I would be looking to sit it around 1333 10-12-12 or 1350 10-13-13 as this will give me plenty of bandwidth for 3D and also give strong 2D performance.
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    I am playing with this same setup right now but with SB. Came here to see some results and Bam! I get this. Thanks youngpro.

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    ah good man, yeah SB i dunno, you will be limited for sure, but should be able to tighten the primaries right up

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    is that the world record of latencies? sub 30ns yum


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    has anyone tested this kit?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231587
    I still have my hyper bbse kits from the 1st batch gskill pi blacks and to this day they are my best benching kits.
    its gonna be hard to beat those. lemme know what you think. I'm always happy to throw down on a great kit if they are the best of that era.
    like the muskin black, ocz eb, ch5 kits, hypers.. you get what im saying.
    are these the best thing after 1st run pi black kits?
    Last edited by trans am; 04-30-2012 at 07:13 PM.

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    yes gskill bbse/PSC are still great kits!

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    Quote Originally Posted by trans am View Post
    has anyone tested this kit?
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231587
    I still have my hyper bbse kits from the 1st batch gskill pi blacks and to this day they are my best benching kits.
    its gonna be hard to beat those. lemme know what you think. I'm always happy to throw down on a great kit if they are the best of that era.
    like the muskin black, ocz eb, ch5 kits, hypers.. you get what im saying.
    are these the best thing after 1st run pi black kits?
    It's here http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t-and-cheap-99

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    yeh i think a comparison between these kits and the 2400C10 and 2600C10's tridents will be a good read.

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    @youngpro they are the 1st run F3-17600CL7D-4GPIS 7-10-10-28 1.65v 2x2gb from 2 years ago. BBSE?
    I think that 99 kit is going to be closest to the kit I already have. I'm going to splurge for the $199 kit.
    It looks like it will be more exciting in the end. I would rather have a corvette and a Lamborghini countach than 2 similar corvettes in different colors. you know?
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    Quote Originally Posted by trans am View Post
    @youngpro they are the 1st run F3-17600CL7D-4GPIS 7-10-10-28 1.65v 2x2gb from 2 years ago. BBSE?
    I think that 99 kit is going to be closest to the kit I already have. I'm going to splurge for the $199 kit.
    It looks like it will be more exciting in the end. I would rather have a corvette and a Lamborghini countach than 2 similar corvettes in different colors. you know?
    I bet it's PSC. I don't think BBSE can do CL7 at 2133.

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    I think you're right man. They would do 6-9-6- 1t at 2050 on crappy clarksdale imc. I ran up to 2.2V into them.

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    F3-17600CL7D-4GPIS are 100% PSC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theix View Post
    I bet it's PSC. I don't think BBSE can do CL7 at 2133.
    All BBSE should be able to do 2133 7-9-7-20 with 1.65v if they are not crap. Every set of BBSE IC based kit I have can run that and 2133 6-9-6-20 at 1.8v.

    But ta's kit is most definitely a PSC based kit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
    All BBSE should be able to do 2133 7-9-7-20 with 1.65v if they are not crap. Every set of BBSE IC based kit I have can run that and 2133 6-9-6-20 at 1.8v.

    But ta's kit is most definitely a PSC based kit.
    yeah its the 1st run of the pi blacks. which are better? for example I have a hyperx kit from the same hardware era and they couldn't do the timings and speed as the pi blacks. I think those are psc and the gskills are bbse.
    or the hypers were something else altogether. they were just strange. were the 1st pi black kits bbse and then they switched to psc? Id love to rip them off and figure this out. Ive derailed this thread so badly now I just feel bad. sorry guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
    All BBSE should be able to do 2133 7-9-7-20 with 1.65v if they are not crap. Every set of BBSE IC based kit I have can run that and 2133 6-9-6-20 at 1.8v.

    But ta's kit is most definitely a PSC based kit.
    I totally forgot about my previous owned 17000CL8D-4GBXMD. It's BBSE and it could do 2133/7-9-7-20 at 1.63v

    The 16000CL9D-4GBRHD was also BBSE (some of them was EBSE) but the best it could do was 2200/9-9-9-27 at 1.65v. 2133/7-9-7-20 was no go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trans am View Post
    @youngpro they are the 1st run F3-17600CL7D-4GPIS 7-10-10-28 1.65v 2x2gb from 2 years ago. BBSE?

    yeah dude PSC, those first run PIS kits that we thought were a bit loose when they first came out are all of a sudden one of the best kits to have!

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    Quote Originally Posted by l0ud_sil3nc3 View Post
    All BBSE should be able to do 2133 7-9-7-20 with 1.65v if they are not crap. Every set of BBSE IC based kit I have can run that and 2133 6-9-6-20 at 1.8v.

    But ta's kit is most definitely a PSC based kit.
    yeah your right and from testing so far BBSE might be able to do the cas5 easier than PSC, but a good kit of either will give you similar 32m results,

    for my personal benching i will use a TridentX kit for everything except 32m and use PSC subzero for that..

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    hey pro. whats a decent BBSE kit to keep an eye out for?
    only kits ive seen available are the Trident 2000 9-9-9-27's and some Ripjaws in the same spec.

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    im not really sure to be honest, i havnt worked out what the best ones are, the trident 9-9-9 for sure and probably the perfect storm 9-9-9, when i know ill let you know

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    Haven't seen either of those for sale around. You probably have a better idea where to look.
    Oh well.
    Just need to figure out why my pis clock easily and my tridents won't boot.

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    I'm waiting that i can buy them ^^
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    haha awesome dude, throw some results up when you get them

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    Quote Originally Posted by youngpro View Post
    yeah your right and from testing so far BBSE might be able to do the cas5 easier than PSC, but a good kit of either will give you similar 32m results,

    for my personal benching i will use a TridentX kit for everything except 32m and use PSC subzero for that..
    I would love one of those ultra bin covered in special sauce 2800 Trident kits but I think good PSC or BBSE under cold for 2D will be fine as you have stated.

    However running 2800-3000 benchable is

    and not mention one less variable to worry about especially if cpu and vga are cold.
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    exactly mate

    as i said above, i think the way to go for 95% of benching is a kit like youve got, a high rated tridentx or similar it, that gives similar bandwidth to the PSC kits, that PSC/BBSE kit is just for your serious 32m or similar bench

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