Kepler Nvidia GeForce GTX 780

[eric66]

Realistically why wouldn't a company want to milk the prices for as much as they can. 560-580s can compete with AMDs midrange for now.

If that was the case amd wouldn't have released their own mid range products selling your previous high end card for half the price isn't that profitable lol so much bs in this thread anyway....

[koc]

I was thinking and reading for long time if its worth the upgrade from my GTX580 SLI, to GTX680 SLI, especially with all the argument about the GTX680, and it is a mid-range card , and latter Nvidia will release its (GTX685 or GTX780) high-end card.

Then i take my decision to enjoy the new card (whatever its called) , then i upgrade again if Nvidia release another (better) card Q3 2012 or Q1 2013.

[Rollo]

If AMD got big bolls with their tahiti cards, nVidia would be in serious trouble. As they got little ones, nVidia feels good right now.
Their middle chip perform better than what AMD can deliver with its big dog chip.
If you blame nVidia, don't forget to blame AMD

That is what is sad about the current situation. If the conspiracy theorists are correct and NVIDIA is selling their midrange card as top end, the GPU market parallels the CPU market. AMD can't compete in either market, intel and NVIDIA just smack them around like cats with rubber mice.

AMDs limited funds and low market share may finally have caught up with them, money talks and BS walks in silicon valley as elsewhere.

Price cuts upcoming for the AMD line. With all this talk of the influence of marketing departments, how would you like to be AMD marketing these days trying to sell a Bulldozer/Tahiti "high end" rig?

Looks to me like they've been reduced to "We're number two, but at least we're tryin' ".

[Mech0z]

I was thinking and reading for long time if its worth the upgrade from my GTX580 SLI, to GTX680 SLI, especially with all the argument about the GTX680, and it is a mid-range card , and latter Nvidia will release its (GTX685 or GTX780) high-end card.

Then i take my decision to enjoy the new card (whatever its called) , then i upgrade again if Nvidia release another (better) card Q3 2012 or Q1 2013.

I just dont understand, what is it you CANT game at 30+ FPS now?

[Kristoferr]

I was thinking and reading for long time if its worth the upgrade from my GTX580 SLI, to GTX680 SLI, especially with all the argument about the GTX680, and it is a mid-range card , and latter Nvidia will release its (GTX685 or GTX780) high-end card.

Then i take my decision to enjoy the new card (whatever its called) , then i upgrade again if Nvidia release another (better) card Q3 2012 or Q1 2013.

Yes, GTX680 is mid range. HD7970 and 7950 are also mid and low-mid range. The names are just for distraction for us. 190W TDP and 2x6pin is obviously the best indicators of that card being mid range. Even tho both cards are consume over 210W in peak, this doesnt mean anything. Their all MIDRANGE, people!!!

[Dami3n]

Looks to me like they've been reduced to "We're number two, but at least we're tryin' ".

The saddest thing is that they reduced themselves to that second position. Nobody puts a gun in their head to not build big chips and base their high-end offering in dual nonsenses with crappy driver support, o to not base their new top cards in the more efficient and faster Pitcairn core. IMO, they did a great job with 4800s series, but didn´t take advantage of that in the next generations to build a stronger marketing position.
Now Nvidia have a free highway to put the prices they want, and rule the discrete market at will.

[GoldenTiger]

Yes, GTX680 is mid range. HD7970 and 7950 are also mid and low-mid range. The names are just for distraction for us. 190W TDP and 2x6pin is obviously the best indicators of that card being mid range. Even tho both cards are consume over 210W in peak, this doesnt mean anything. Their all MIDRANGE, people!!!

... really, now? Your definition of mid-range is by power consumption?

[Kristoferr]

Peeps here are defining "mid range" based on anything as you see. If you like to call GTX 680 as a mid range, then there is absolutely no reason to call 7970 a mid range as well.
Similar power consumtion. Similar perfomance. Both names are indicating to last generation single GPU flagships. GTX has smaller dye due 256bit and missing crunching abilities. There is no official info of either company coming out with bigger single GPU card any time soon.
All we have is 500$ midrange cards.

[GoldenTiger]

Peeps here are defining "mid range" based on anything as you see. If you like to call GTX 680 as a mid range, then there is absolutely no reason to call 7970 a mid range as well.
All we have is 500$ midrange cards.

Ah, I get your concept now... but I don't agree .

[WeaponX]

Be funny if both of these companies had to release their cards on the same day. Then we'd really see some impressive numbers and price wars. It's like playing paper, rocks, scissors with AMD going first and Nvidia winning easily at the end. The worst part, the customers pay for it all in the end. Just makes me want to stop PC gaming all together.

[RealTelstar]

yes gtx680 and 7970 are both midrange cards and they use midrange chips.

[Piledriver]

Any of you who say that NVIDIA would release GK110 or GK100 if they had it do not understand business or the business of silicon.

GK-104 is a cheap chip to produce and it has good yields. Therefore, NVIDIA is making a killing on all of these cards, as are their board partners. Since that is the case, why wouldn't they release the cheaper to produce relatively fast GPU that makes them a crapton of money? Then, once they have proper volumes and yields on the bigger/hotter chip, release that. To me, it seems that NVIDIA is in no rush to release their fastest, hottest, obviously lower yielding chip. If anything, they can continue to make those chips in preparation for thousands of TESLA and Quadro orders when they're announced. NVIDIA has a pretty good strategy if you ask me and they're executing it fairly well.

So basically Nvidia isn't selling right now a card for 999$ because they don't need and don't want. Amazing. It's a shame i don't "understand business" or "the business of silicon", because that's look like incredible retarded to me, but i'm sure it would make sense if somehow i understood business.

I bet Nvidia could have been selling GTX680 since dec 2011, they just didn't felt like releasing it sooner.

Their middle chip perform better than what AMD can deliver with its big dog chip.

lolwut, you got all wrong. AMD 7xxx are all the lower end, middle chip is coming end of year. And they are ready, they could have been out since 1 year ago, they just want make money first with the cheaper ones, higher yields ones.
So basically Nvidia mid range barely beats AMD lower end. Nvidia is going to need their big dog chip to fight against AMD midrange 8xxx series. WOW if AMD's lower end and midrange 8xxx are like this i can only think what their BIG DOG CHIP is going to do... is coming out in 2054, it's going to be a beast. Poor nvidia...

[Kristoferr]

Piledriver, thats so true lol.

[koc]

I just dont understand, what is it you CANT game at 30+ FPS now?

I agree with you, that my GTX580 SLI is enough right now, but man the new GTX680 (mid-range or low-range i really don't care),
kick ass my high-end GTX580 in every single test + the new features (TXAA, adaptive vsync, dynamic overclocking, more realistic game physics) it is very tempting.

I REALLY CANT RESIST AND I WANT JOINT THE CLUB

[SKYMTL]

lolwut, you got all wrong. AMD 7xxx are all the lower end, middle chip is coming end of year. And they are ready, they could have been out since 1 year ago, they just want make money first with the cheaper ones, higher yields ones.
So basically Nvidia mid range barely beats AMD lower end. Nvidia is going to need their big dog chip to fight against AMD midrange 8xxx series. WOW if AMD's lower end and midrange 8xxx are like this i can only think what their BIG DOG CHIP is going to do... is coming out in 2054, it's going to be a beast. Poor nvidia...

Delusion at its best right there....with just the right amount of "whoops, madeya look!" at the end. Brilliant.

[iboomalot]

wow people sure make assumptions on here

So I guess a Prescott is faster than a Core and a Core is faster than a Ivy Bridge since the others use more wattage to get the job done???

Dual 6 pins on a more effective core doesn't mean its "midrange"

If its so midrange why didn't NV launch in December ?? If its so midrange why is it faster than the 580 ??

"Delusion at its best right there" You said it right Skymtl

[OCX600RR]

This is getting sad...

[Piledriver]

Delusion at its best right there....with just the right amount of "whoops, madeya look!" at the end. Brilliant.

Sarcasm? I thought the big dog coming in 2054 was pretty obvious... but yeah while i was joking, some really believe in what they say, so i agree delusional at their best.

[ice_chill]

So I guess a Prescott is faster than a Core and a Core is faster than a Ivy Bridge since the others use more wattage to get the job done???

NO BECAUSE you measure performance using benchmarks and not power consumption, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT ?

Dual 6 pins on a more effective core doesn't mean its "midrange"

YES IT DOES mean it is midrange, it is acceptable for a high-end card to have atleast 6+8 pin power requirements, and they could have easily made use of it by raising the core clock and thus making their card more competitive, but decided to stick to a thermal envelope of a midrange part, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT ?

If its so midrange why is it faster than the 580 ??

Because a new generation mid-range part SOMETIMES outperforms old generation high-end part, i.e. GTX460 outperformed GTX280, Geforce 6600GT outperformed FX5800, YOU DIDN'T KNOW THAT ?

[SKYMTL]

Sarcasm? I thought the big dog coming in 2054 was pretty obvious... but yeah while i was joking, some really believe in what they say, so i agree delusional at their best.

Hence why I thought it was quite brilliant.

[ClockZ]

I agree with ice_chill above, to me its fairly obvious this is NOT the high end part, Is it a great card? Sure.....but not the big one IMO.

[Manicdan]

fact, its the highest end part you can buy until something higher comes.

myth, people who think they know what it was intended to be before the 7970 even launched.

[Kallenator]

This thread, at least it's somewhere certain people can blow of some fan smoke. Probably should stop it now, it's served it's purpose until further information comes along.

Here, watch Darth Vader playing a bagpipe on a unicycle instead!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rzkCkFIus

[Kristers Bensin]

So that means 6870 "was" the high end untill 6970 came along, even "higher end" than 5870?

No whats fact is that GTX 680 uses a GK104 core, GF 104/114 anyone?

[ajaidev]

What pin number the power connector has does not make a said card an high end or low end. The performance and power consumption does not to mention the companies designation for the card.

GTX 680 eats almost the same as the HD7970 and performs almost the same. So if AMD can call the 7970 high end why cant we call GTX680 high-end on bases of comparison?