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    Was there ever any doubt? I mean, GTX 580 had 1.5GB and it was fine, so it couldn't possibly be worse with more memory available

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    Quote Originally Posted by eric66 View Post
    but what about rumors that they sacrificed gpgpu part in order to do that is that true ?
    We don't really know since the final unified drivers with optimized GPGPU code aren't due out until sometime in the next two months. Hence why there are several bugs (Design Garage, Folding, etc. don't work right now). This launch is geared solely towards gaming at this point.

    Plus, the GK104 won't be the basis of their HPC cards anyways.

    Also remember that this is a GK104 so its compute performance should be compared against the GF114. The compute powerhouse will be the card that replaces GF100 / GF110 on the desktop side and the higher end Tesla models on the other.

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    Question for SKYMTL: Is the GTX680 really a DX11.1? Because with all the rumours and nonsense coming out of everywhere, sometimes it can be hard to get the cold hard facts. Your review states it, but I just want to make sure it's not a typo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardant View Post
    Was there ever any doubt? I mean, GTX 580 had 1.5GB and it was fine, so it couldn't possibly be worse with more memory available
    Read over the last last 10 or 20 pages and it's filled with people ing and moaning that 2gb is not enough for high resolution gaming, and here we are where Kepler clobbers the 7970 in surround.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SKYMTL View Post
    Really? I didn't get that impression at all. In my tests, the GTX 680 wins handily (on average) at every resolution and only looses in a few situations. Minimum framerates are much better as well.
    Why didnt you quote my entire post? You see me saying the reasons there. Whats unclear to you? Do i need to make it GREEN for you to see better?

    Im not being either green or red here. Simple facts from reviews say that GTX is bit better on 1920 and higher resolutions on overall. One post earlier i even posted the percentages. In DX11 games, the GTX is around 9% better in 1920 and only 4% better in 2560 resolutions with 8xAA/16AF used. The power draw is identical to 7970. That makes GTX a better performer per watt.
    The reason i sayd 1:1 is because its rather similar perfoming card which came out nearly 4 months after the HD. Its not 16% better like some fans posted earlier. Not even close.
    Dont tell me that in lower resolutions the difference is bigger. If you buy this card and play under full HD, then good luck to you!
    Like i sayd before. AMD needs to drop 7970 price bit under the GTX and it will still be atractive to buyers. AMD has already sold a lot of cards in past months. Now they can afford a price cut.

    What interests me a lot is how much costs the production of GTX 680 vs HD 7970. The GPU dye is big part of the overall cost, but its not everything. We may think that GTX should be cheaper to make, but im not 100% sure on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardant View Post


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    That's... OVER 9000!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardant View Post


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    lol yeah 7870 faster than 7970
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    So for the last 3 months Nvidia talked about Uniengine and then Uniengine and more Uniengine and finally Uniengine. And then takes the best 5 seconds from all the benchmark run, makes a graph and then proudly shows it everywhere.

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    NVIDIA did a pretty good job with GTX 680 though I'm more interested with the flagship card. At least this card is not power hungry unlike the previous generations and thats a good thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad1723 View Post
    Question for SKYMTL: Is the GTX680 really a DX11.1? Because with all the rumours and nonsense coming out of everywhere, sometimes it can be hard to get the cold hard facts. Your review states it, but I just want to make sure it's not a typo
    Yes. Fully DX11.1 compliant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vardant View Post


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    GTX 680 (machete)

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    [H] review with 57x12 triple display numbers included
    http://hardocp.com/article/2012/03/2..._card_review/1
    and Techreport
    http://techreport.com/articles.x/22653

    at 57x12 the 680 and the 7970 are dead even.

    Impressive card so far! Though Perf/watt crown stays on the AMD side for now.

    Anyone found any OC numbers yet?
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    is there a review that compares both oced i am on my 4-5 review still can't see any
    Quote Originally Posted by LesGrossman View Post
    So for the last 3 months Nvidia talked about Uniengine and then Uniengine and more Uniengine and finally Uniengine. And then takes the best 5 seconds from all the benchmark run, makes a graph and then proudly shows it everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoran View Post
    [H] review with 57x12 triple display numbers included
    http://hardocp.com/article/2012/03/2..._card_review/1
    and Techreport
    http://techreport.com/articles.x/22653

    at 57x12 the 680 and the 7970 are dead even.

    Impressive card so far! Though Perf/watt crown stays on the AMD side for now.
    Haven't read the techreport one but hardocp shows surround being better on 57x12 for GTX 680 by a margin, versus radeon 7970. And perf/watt is NOT better on amd, the GTX 680 outperforms the 7970 *and* runs at a good bit lower wattage.

    EDIT: Um, techreport's doesn't have 57x12 display numbers even... and the hardocp article you linked shows the GTX 680 as superior, plus all reviews showing it as better perf/watt. I'm confused by your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric66 View Post
    is there a review that compares both oced i am on my 4-5 review still can't see any
    Yes. http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=28910

    And the GTX 680 wins nicely still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristoferr View Post
    Why didnt you quote my entire post? You see me saying the reasons there. Whats unclear to you? Do i need to make it GREEN for you to see better?

    Im not being either green or red here. Simple facts from reviews say that GTX is bit better on 1920 and higher resolutions on overall. One post earlier i even posted the percentages. In DX11 games, the GTX is around 9% better in 1920 and only 4% better in 2560 resolutions with 8xAA/16AF used. The power draw is identical to 7970. That makes GTX a better performer per watt.
    The reason i sayd 1:1 is because its rather similar perfoming card which came out nearly 4 months after the HD. Its not 16% better like some fans posted earlier. Not even close.
    Dont tell me that in lower resolutions the difference is bigger. If you buy this card and play under full HD, then good luck to you!
    Like i sayd before. AMD needs to drop 7970 price bit under the GTX and it will still be atractive to buyers. AMD has already sold a lot of cards in past months. Now they can afford a price cut.

    What interests me a lot is how much costs the production of GTX 680 vs HD 7970. The GPU dye is big part of the overall cost, but its not everything. We may think that GTX should be cheaper to make, but im not 100% sure on that.
    First of all, the reason why I don't fully quote posts (other than this one) is because I believe it is a courtesy to ensure people don't have to read through two whole posts every time someone quotes.

    My whole point is that AMD DIDN'T sell many HD 7970 cards. Everyone noticed how there were a few in the channel at launch and then stock suddenly dried up with cards being sporadically available at retailers. And then, three days ago EVERY retailer suddenly gets a huge shipment of the things. Coincidence? I think not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Handrox View Post
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    how did you get 240 mhz OC while leaving the power level at 100%?
    wouldnt it throttle everything down?
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    Its good to see, that 2GB and 256bit does not become much of the bottleneck on NV surround. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoran View Post
    at 57x12 the 680 and the 7970 are dead even.
    Pretty much:

    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-24.html
    http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...review-25.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristoferr View Post
    The reason i sayd 1:1 is because its rather similar perfoming card which came out nearly 4 months after the HD.
    Actually it's been only 2 months since HD7970 became available for purchase. Paper launch, remember?


    Its not 16% better like some fans posted earlier. Not even close.
    When you take into account ALL resolutions commonly used in games, yes... it is 16% better. I know you just want to cherry pick a few very high resolutions that 99.999% of gamers don't use because they don't run 3 monitors, but the numbers are quite clear.

    Like i sayd before. AMD needs to drop 7970 price bit under the GTX and it will still be atractive to buyers. AMD has already sold a lot of cards in past months. Now they can afford a price cut.
    You'd have to cut the price at least $150 in order to get an objective customer to even consider the 7970. I could care less about the fanboys since they'll buy anything. If the CEO took a dump in a box, one of them would buy it. hehe.

    What interests me a lot is how much costs the production of GTX 680 vs HD 7970. The GPU dye is big part of the overall cost, but its not everything. We may think that GTX should be cheaper to make, but im not 100% sure on that.
    Of course GTX 680 is cheaper to produce. It's a much smaller GPU die which means more chips can be made from each wafer, plus you guys are forgetting about the elephant in the room.... VRAM!! That extra gb GDDR5 is not cheap, nor is the wider memory bus, or additional layers in the PCB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicdan View Post
    how did you get 240 mhz OC while leaving the power level at 100%?
    wouldnt it throttle everything down?
    Indeed. That's not possible. It may SHOW an OC but that OC won't necessarily be applied in games.

    Also, it wouldn't throttle down, it would just default to its standard clock speeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenTiger View Post
    Yes. http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=28910

    And the GTX 680 wins nicely still.



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