I did the second BIOS thing, it still didn't work. I don't think the BIOS is broken, I can even get to the controls via the LCD when its in the power off state with some power to select which BIOS to load.
So its not:
over clocking issues
raid, as i have none, no hard drives connected.
VGA issues, as i've changed over to another card that worked on another system. it requires no extra power.
bios 1/2 issues.
all very strange.. ROG boards apparently do have more issues than normals.
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