NEW: aquaero 5 series

[gmat]

I used a progressive curve too first but that leads to oscillations, and the fans i use (gentle typhoons) have resonant frequencies, that's quite unpleasant. I went to a stepped curve instead, it works rather well, no more fan speed oscillation and they dont dwell over resonant frequencies (i adjusted each step so the fan speed results in a smooth noise):

[barfastic]

Is the aquaero able to monitor CPU temps and adjust fan speeds according to that yet?

Im trying to figure out the fanspeed/watertemp ratio i want and its getting a little annoying. Would be muhc easier to say

if cpu temp 80 then fans = 100

etc etc..

[Eeeaugheeeaugh!]

Is the aquaero able to monitor CPU temps and adjust fan speeds according to that yet?

Im trying to figure out the fanspeed/watertemp ratio i want and its getting a little annoying. Would be muhc easier to say

if cpu temp 80 then fans = 100

etc etc..

Not sure if there's a way, but I don't see the point if you're cooling other items as well. Regardless of load, your CPU temp will always rise relative to water temperature anyway. How about this...place your fans on max and game for an hour...see how hot your water gets. Then try them at 90%...then 80% and so on. What most people want is quiet during a typical gaming session...so...this is entirely up to you. I'd suggest playing around with your fan speeds, figure out the max noise you can stand & set your curve accordingly.

Good luck.

Josh

[jiiper]

Hi! have been readin long time here now but not posted enything so my first post here. And sorry for my bad english

So im not 100% sure what is best way to connect my D5 pump and 7 fans to A5 LT and PA2. So i decided to ask it from you guys.

Thanks!

[jiiper]

Hi! have been readin long time here now but not posted enything so my first post here. And sorry for my bad english

So im not 100% sure what is best way to connect my D5 pump and 7 fans to A5 LT and PA2. So i decided to ask it from you guys.

Thanks!

[Shteud]

Do some one use this thermal sensors (http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...read-G1-4.html) with AE5 ? How they fit to AE? Will it normally show the water temperature?
I dont want use AC therm. sersors because internal diametr is about 8-8,5 mm. Phobya is standart 10mm
This may do the loop more restrictive.

[mm67]

Is the aquaero able to monitor CPU temps and adjust fan speeds according to that yet?

Im trying to figure out the fanspeed/watertemp ratio i want and its getting a little annoying. Would be muhc easier to say

if cpu temp 80 then fans = 100

etc etc..

New beta version of Aquasuite2012 can now read temperatures from Aida64, SpeedFan and Open Hardware Monitor.

Do some one use this thermal sensors (http://www.aquatuning.de/product_inf...read-G1-4.html) with AE5 ? How they fit to AE? Will it normally show the water temperature?
I dont want use AC therm. sersors because internal diametr is about 8-8,5 mm. Phobya is standart 10mm
This may do the loop more restrictive.

I have both Phobya and AC sensors mixed up in my loop, both show similar temperatures.

[Martinm210]

Hey Guys,

I'm finally getting around to hooking this baby up and starting in on a guide/review. There is obviously a ton of information through this thread I'll be reviewing and I've been doing the web research as well.

Any pointers before I get too far into this (Should I flash right away, etc?)

I also noticed my sample XT has a larger aluminum colored heatsink?


That's a much bigger heatsink than the black one shown here:


Which one is the current standard?

Also any special requests for this guide review?

I've got a lot to learn about this complex unit, and hope to develop a pretty good guide out of the effort. I also plan to do some testing on the fan channels using both the heatsink and waterblock, etc. In the end I think it will be more guide than review, but I'm looking forward to working through it.

Cheers!
Martin

[Shteud]

mm67
Thanks!
Martinm210
Silver radiator now standart for XT. For Lt/Pro its optional.
It been great, to have a good guide on AE. AC dont have nothing similar. AC give only thin broshure.

[gmat]

Martin, you should flash the firmware right away, and probably use the "jumper method". Once the unit is connected you'll have to unplug everything in order to re-flash...

[Church]

Martinm210: IIRC Shoggy wrote that new one is more effective (and it looks like such, as less/higher fins should be more effective in cramped bay space with little air flow, vertical fin direction also might help a little), and it looks cheaper to make .
Whatever you do, please test with a bit more scientific approach maximum total and per channel wattage with no heatsink (like LT)/passive heatsink (mounted in actual bays with "normal"(=limited) airflow over)/heatsink + fan/waterblock, before protection kicks in @90C, also with different loads in channels placed nearby or further from each other. + With several popular fans/pumps combo. Eg. how much power is left for fans if one runs one DDC/two DDC/one D5/two D5 from it. Maybe also how much power for fans is left if pumps are not toned down till lowest possible voltage. And also how well it's 4th, PWM, channel is effective in regulating MCP35X. Also .. if you can, also test real world max wattage/regulation capabilities of Power Adjust 2 connected to AA5.
I wonder why AC still has not done that themselves with posting charts of wattages/temps lines and tables with several popular pumping solutions in product description page on their site. Imho all of the AA5 users or potential buyers would greatly benefit from availability of such data. Not all potential users frequent forums like this, imho info should be first and foremost at vendor's site.

[D749]

Couple of questions in regard to the Aquaero 5 XT.

(1) Can you plug just the RPM wire from a Koolance pump (e.g., 450S) into the XT to monitor just the RPM? If so, where does it attach? I don't want to power the pump from the XT.

(2) If you use a 3-pin Y-splitter for fans (e.g., two fans per XT port) you won't be able to mintor RPM correct?

(3) Do they make extension cables for included temperature sensors, etc.? I have some serious wire routing in front of me and I don't think the included sensors will reach.

Thank you.

[Martinm210]

Martin, you should flash the firmware right away, and probably use the "jumper method". Once the unit is connected you'll have to unplug everything in order to re-flash...

Sounds good. I tried flashing without the jumper and getting sort of a reboot occurring on the AQ5 when I click on the settings button under the new AS2012. The AQ5 reboots itself then the flash to 1019 button shows up, but clicking that seems to hang the program. I'll try the jumper thing next. I do have a logitech mouse, but using the polling software, I'm at 125Hz. Maybe I'll try another mouse too..

Martinm210: IIRC Shoggy wrote that new one is more effective (and it looks like such, as less/higher fins should be more effective in cramped bay space with little air flow, vertical fin direction also might help a little), and it looks cheaper to make .
Whatever you do, please test with a bit more scientific approach maximum total and per channel wattage with no heatsink (like LT)/passive heatsink (mounted in actual bays with "normal"(=limited) airflow over)/heatsink + fan/waterblock, before protection kicks in @90C, also with different loads in channels placed nearby or further from each other. + With several popular fans/pumps combo. Eg. how much power is left for fans if one runs one DDC/two DDC/one D5/two D5 from it. Maybe also how much power for fans is left if pumps are not toned down till lowest possible voltage. And also how well it's 4th, PWM, channel is effective in regulating MCP35X. Also .. if you can, also test real world max wattage/regulation capabilities of Power Adjust 2 connected to AA5.
I wonder why AC still has not done that themselves with posting charts of wattages/temps lines and tables with several popular pumping solutions in product description page on their site. Imho all of the AA5 users or potential buyers would greatly benefit from availability of such data. Not all potential users frequent forums like this, imho info should be first and foremost at vendor's site.

Good ideas, I'll use those as a list of goals to work on, but admitted I'm very much in figuring out how it works mode. I've got a ways to go before I feel like I know what I'm doing and capable of testing. I was pretty happy to just get the fan to turn down today..

Couple of questions in regard to the Aquaero 5 XT.

(1) Can you plug just the RPM wire from a Koolance pump (e.g., 450S) into the XT to monitor just the RPM? If so, where does it attach? I don't want to power the pump from the XT.

(2) If you use a 3-pin Y-splitter for fans (e.g., two fans per XT port) you won't be able to mintor RPM correct?

(3) Do they make extension cables for included temperature sensors, etc.? I have some serious wire routing in front of me and I don't think the included sensors will reach.

Thank you.

1) I'm sure you could use one of the four fan channels, but you may need both RPM and ground wires.

2) You would need to cut the RPM wire from the series so only one of the string of fans is feeding an RPM signal. Some cables may already be setup that way but I always make my own... I just know you only want one RPM signal and some sensors need both the RPM and ground to work. I'd leave the power wire out.

3) Not sure on the extension cables, but I would think you could fabricate your own and simply recalibrate the sensor for the added resistance of the wire extension. I'd probably use an Iced and stirred glass of water to calibrate all the sensors together. The calibration features seem pretty easy to use. I noticed today that the flow sensor didn't jive with my king flow meter and it's pretty easy to simply adjust the pulses per liter to correct it up. The temperature sensors have a temperature offset option in the firmware and I presume the new 2012 aquasuite may even have more advanced options. The older AS software provided an option to develop complex curves for sensors, but the offset method would probably serve most users needs.

[mav2000]

Any idea on whether the problems with the CH V mobo working with this has been fixed?

[gmat]

Martin: the logitech mouse will be fine. I belive the old firmwares just cannot be flashed properly. Putting the unit in recovery mode solves the problem.

(3) Do they make extension cables for included temperature sensors, etc.? I have some serious wire routing in front of me and I don't think the included sensors will reach.

I found a lot of these under the brand Phobya. Helped a lot reaching places in my huge Mountain Mods case...

[Martinm210]

Martin: the logitech mouse will be fine. I belive the old firmwares just cannot be flashed properly. Putting the unit in recovery mode solves the problem.

Nice! Up and running with the latest 1019 firmware now..thanks for the tips!

I swapped mice and that didn't help, then I did the jumper trick to recovery mode. First time I left the jumpers in through the flash process and it gave me an error. The second time I removed the jumpers before flashing and it worked! So I think the process is:

1)Turn off computer and switch off power supply
2)Remove all sensors from AQ5 except power molex and USB
3)Install jumpers across sensors 5, 6, 7, 8
4)Turn on computer & PSU (AQ5 will beep and a "Recovery Mode" screen will turn on.
5)Remove jumpers
6)Using Aquasuite 2012 click on AQ5 settings and proceed with flashing firmware. When successful, the AQ5 will beep and the recovery mode will dissappear. It will also give you some message in German, not sure what it says...but it's good as long as the AQ5 screen comes back
7)Turn off computer and PSU
8)Reconnect Sensors
9)Turn on computer and PSU
10)Drink a cold one..

The RGB LED seems to be working now as well as the aquastream XT information coming through the aquabus high port.

Aquasuite2012 also seems to be rolling as well..the firmware update using the jumper method was a must

So far I'm liking everything although using aquasuite to configure seems to be a lot quicker and more user friendly than the layers of menus configuring at the unit.

I think I'll start by creating some sort of menu tree guide, there is so much stuff in there I'm getting lost and need a map!

[Shteud]

Few days ago flash AE5 LT (firm. 1014) last firmware. All that need been to do is down usb frequence in mouse driver (razer death adder) from 1000 hz to 125 hz. After that Aquero easy flash and work really fine. Before that AE5 dont work properly (but see it in system properties). Maybe it helps some one.
the system is been:
i7-875K
asus p55 sabertooth
580gtx
logitech g15(v1) keyb.
razer deathadder mice
aquero5 lt

[frank anderson]

Just a update on those who are on the sidelines waiting to purchase a Aquaero (XT | Pro | LT)... I purchased mine recently, well I purchased it a about two months ago but it took a while for AC to have everything I ordered in stock (mainly the AquagraFX blocks), I have have had it up and running for a few weeks now... any-hoot...

I did not have to do the jumper reset, I just plugged in the XT only and installed the Aquasuite 2012, did a firmware update... successfully...

downloaded the "aquasuite_setup_4.72.00" and named the channels on all my Power Adjust 2 to 50, 51 > 55 respectively, 1 per PA2 and each channel must be unique or Aquaero 5 will not recognize all of the attached PA2, this requires each PA2 to be connected to the USB port on the MB individually.. This step is only valid for those who purchased more than one PA2...

Plugged everything in and ran the Aquasuite 2012 Beta 9 and set everything up.. I had it up and running in about a hour or so...

Just a screenshot of the overview page, this thing is "butter"... !!!

[mm67]

Just a screenshot of the overview page, this thing is "butter"... !!!

Try playing with charts yet ? These are nice

[Avathar77]

Ooooh tempting!
But I have a question.
I would like to know if the sensors(Temp, Fan Speed etc) can be read by "Open Hardware Monitor" ?

[mm67]

Ooooh tempting!
But I have a question.
I would like to know if the sensors(Temp, Fan Speed etc) can be read by "Open Hardware Monitor" ?

It only works the other way, at least now. Aquasuite can read temps from Open Hardware Monitor but OHM can't read values from Aquasuite.

[D749]

Sounds good. I tried flashing without the jumper and getting sort of a reboot occurring on the AQ5 when I click on the settings button under the new AS2012. The AQ5 reboots itself then the flash to 1019 button shows up, but clicking that seems to hang the program. I'll try the jumper thing next. I do have a logitech mouse, but using the polling software, I'm at 125Hz. Maybe I'll try another mouse too..

I had the same issue flashing. The key is the jumper but I'm not sure why since my unit is brand new. I was about to throw my XT in the garbage until I stumbled on that piece of information.

1) I'm sure you could use one of the four fan channels, but you may need both RPM and ground wires.

Sorry, what do you mean "you may need both RPM and ground wires?" The 450S has a 2-pin molex (yellow & black) for power and a 1-pin molex (blue) for RPM (http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...mp-450s_p0.jpg). The 2-pin molex will be going to another device to power the pump. Can the 1-pin blue wire simply be attached to a XT fan header?

2) You would need to cut the RPM wire from the series so only one of the string of fans is feeding an RPM signal. Some cables may already be setup that way but I always make my own... I just know you only want one RPM signal and some sensors need both the RPM and ground to work. I'd leave the power wire out.

So there is no way for the XT to understasnd multiple RPM wires coming from different fans when connected to a single XT fan header via a Y-splitter correct?

3) Not sure on the extension cables, but I would think you could fabricate your own and simply recalibrate the sensor for the added resistance of the wire extension. I'd probably use an Iced and stirred glass of water to calibrate all the sensors together. The calibration features seem pretty easy to use. I noticed today that the flow sensor didn't jive with my king flow meter and it's pretty easy to simply adjust the pulses per liter to correct it up. The temperature sensors have a temperature offset option in the firmware and I presume the new 2012 aquasuite may even have more advanced options. The older AS software provided an option to develop complex curves for sensors, but the offset method would probably serve most users needs.

Thanks.

[gmat]

It only works the other way, at least now. Aquasuite can read temps from Open Hardware Monitor but OHM can't read values from Aquasuite.

I installed Open Hardware Monitor, but the Aquasuite wont pick any software sensor. Is there a trick to do it ?

[mm67]

I installed Open Hardware Monitor, but the Aquasuite wont pick any software sensor. Is there a trick to do it ?

You need modified version of OHM from this thread : http://forum.aquacomputer.de/berwach...nsoren-alpha1/ . I myself use Aida64 but that version of OHM should work too.

[Martinm210]

I had the same issue flashing. The key is the jumper but I'm not sure why since my unit is brand new. I was about to throw my XT in the garbage until I stumbled on that piece of information.



Sorry, what do you mean "you may need both RPM and ground wires?" The 450S has a 2-pin molex (yellow & black) for power and a 1-pin molex (blue) for RPM (http://www.koolance.com/water-coolin...mp-450s_p0.jpg). The 2-pin molex will be going to another device to power the pump. Can the 1-pin blue wire simply be attached to a XT fan header?



So there is no way for the XT to understasnd multiple RPM wires coming from different fans when connected to a single XT fan header via a Y-splitter correct?



Thanks.

I would try just the blue wire connector as is, it should work if it's all grounded to the same PSU, but in testing I've used various power supplies and some times you have to add the ground to complete the pulsing circuit.

To get more RPM monitoring channels you would have to expand, I believe you could create up to 10 channels with extras but I haven't dug enough enough to completely understand the options there yet. Every fan controller and MB header is only capable of measuring one fan per series string. It measure "pulses per unit of time", so adding more pulses to that wire would screw up the signal and you get weird readings. There is no way to really fix that other than get more channels or make sure all the fans on that one channel are the same so you assume they are all about that one RPM.