AMD FX-8150 Bulldozer finally tested

[Movieman]

As I remember Movieman didn't test the system or use the parts until the 12th. So he is pretty much innocent in regards to prehype.

What happened to movieman and the rest of us, is we were explicitly lied too by AMD marketing department, who cannot get enough criticism. They lied to such an extent, that they cannot be trusted again, considering the impact it has had on our purchases. Movieman was bound by NDA and could not release results from the actual hardware. On top of that, due to the favorable treatment AMD gave him, he was more inclined to believe AMD was not lying to him. They treated him nice with an ulterior motive. Most of us have fallen for this at some point.

A lot of us believed the AMD hype, which is understandable considering the research time and the complexity/size of the chip. BD has twice as much transistors/cores as sandy bridge(and sandy bridge has a IGP built into it) and should perform much better than it does. Most of us if we looked at what amd has released to the public prior to the information released(and not taking into account stuff indirectly related(like executives losses, stock drops and etc), shown BD to be a good chip.

If AMD flew you out, put on an event that made you feel like a king, and put on a marketing speel that was designed to fool the participants involved into thinking BD was a very good product. Most of us would believe AMD, except the very sceptical or intel Fanboyish.

Movieman never tested the stuff prior to October 12 and the only stuff he had to go on without breaking NDA or even being unfair by testing unreleased hardware, was the stuff AMD told him. That's the bottomline.

Another one I have to answer.
First of all I've been around the block a few times ok?
I've dealt with all types of people in my life and even spent a little time in marketing during my 10 years at SOHIO back in the 80's.
Not my cup of tea to be honest but I know the game.
Also understand that I can sit back and be very appreciative of the trip to Austin and the VERY gracious way we were treated there BUT separate that from the capabilities of the products.
IE: Someone wining and dining me doesn't toss a blanket over my head to the truth or effect what I write even though one appreciates the time and expense of the trip to that company.
Also you make a good point that after being treated that well it is natural not to want to write anything negative and yes, like most people that crossed my mind but when all is done you come back to if you write anything but the truth you've dishonored yourself.
It's really that simple..
Now I did run into some unexpected issues that have nothing to do with the build and thats why I haven't posted yet.
I will and soon and will post what I see.
The main point I want to make is that don't read anything into that I haven't posted yet.
To do so would be a mistake on your end.
Ok, now back to our regulary scheduled typical BLUE VS GREEN slugfest!

I think you are both wrong.

Him for accusing you of being incorrect and you for sitting on your high horse.

Hey BeepBeep, play nice huh?
Also keep in mind that Francois has probably forgotten more about cpu design than 90+% of the people on this forum know.
He may not always say it in the most diplomatic way( He's French ok? ) but his info is usually spot on.