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[SkullCracka]

900 series = nvidia gheyness... lmao

[SkullCracka]

we dont need no foxconn lic. beat it.....................

[mav2000]

I am one of the sad souls with a Asus CH V. Was waiting for the BD and with all the hype created by AMD and a few of the top members on numerous forums, I got carried away I guess....no more AMD for me. I also got carried away thinking that there was no way a company like AMD could introduce a new product that was probably as good as or worse than the older gen...

I guess people who were discredited before this will now sleep easy knowing that they have been proved right...

Sorry JF, but IPC didn't increase, sorry JF but its a new arch that's still trying to beat a 1100T comprehensively....forget the competition. What was AMD thinking, releasing a chip that didn't even beat the in house competition and at a higher price point and that to with way more power consumption???? Wow.....

I have been using AMD for the last 13 years now and have recommended it to a lot of people..but all the bull and just plain fail is now driving me away.

[imamage]

Basically, it's the DNF of processors. A colossal joke. All that BS about "power", "return of FX" and "bulldozing" was simply that, BS.

Doubtful we'll see JF around these parts anytime soon. I feel sorry for those who were duped into purchasing new boards in order to take advantage of this .

I'll just get myself a 1090t or Phenom II X4 980 and be done with it.

I wasted $250USD to get Crosshair V Formula
and this is even worse than Duke Nukem Forever !!!

[imamage]

i think terrace posted too much

@chew*: can we still expect better performance via bios updates and such in the future is that really it ???

That's right , He posted too much and this is the outcome

[Daveburt714]

Wow.... When you look at the number of folks viewing the AMD thread compared to the Intel thread right now it doesn't really suprise me at some of the comments.
Do AMD folks actually go into Intel threads and trash things like this when Intel F's up?
I know I don't, and yes, Intel has had it's share of screw ups (remember the SATA problems with the last chipset?).

I know folks had really high expectaions for BD, I did too!
But, if you look at things from a rational point of veiw this chip doesn't look all that bad...
Yes, it's different, and it loses badly in ST performance. Keep in mind, this is a radical change from what we've seen in previous arch's.
It may take a little time for software/firmware tweaks (or even a respin) to make this chip shine!

What really shocks me, is the fact that I see alot of known AMD fans trashing it too....

None of this is really new to me. I hope it doesn't happen again, but I rode Commodore Amiga out of existence, and to this very day I still think it was a serious loss
from a tech point of veiw...

I'm less dissapointed in the chips performance, and more dissapointed in some of the responses I've seen.

I'll buy one as soon as I can, and push the snot out of it!
Maybe I'll be riding AMD out of business just like I did the Amiga....

I'd hope that reguardless of which camp your in, you'd realize that a world without AMD wouldn't be good for anyone.

[savantu]

i think terrace posted too much

Indeed. Maybe others guy lied so much and purposely disinformed the others that reality felt it needed to slap them..

@chew*: can we still expect better performance via bios updates and such in the future is that really it ???

You think a magical 0.3% from tunning some hidden timings are going to make a difference ?

I feel so sorry for those who waited years for this (crap).

Even my little X6 1055 keeps up pretty well.

Your sig has a completely different meaning starting from today...

[andos]

I'm actually still considering the 8150, since I can obtain the CPU for 1500 DKK, which is a pretty damn good prize.

[imamage]

Wow.... When you look at the number of folks viewing the AMD thread compared to the Intel thread right now it doesn't really suprise me at some of the comments.
Do AMD folks actually go into Intel threads and trash things like this when Intel F's up?
I know I don't, and yes, Intel has had it's share of screw ups (remember the SATA problems with the last chipset?).

I know folks had really high expectaions for BD, I did too!
But, if you look at things from a rational point of veiw this chip doesn't look all that bad...
Yes, it's different, and it loses badly in ST performance. Keep in mind, this is a radical change from what we've seen in previous arch's.
It may take a little time for software/firmware tweaks (or even a respin) to make this chip shine!

What really shocks me, is the fact that I see alot of known AMD fans trashing it too....

None of this is really new to me. I hope it doesn't happen again, but I rode Commodore Amiga out of existence, and to this very day I still think it was a serious loss
from a tech point of veiw...

I'm less dissapointed in the chips performance, and more dissapointed in some of the responses I've seen.

I'll buy one as soon as I can, and push the snot out of it!
Maybe I'll be riding AMD out of business just like I did the Amiga....

I'd hope that reguardless of which camp your in, you'd realize that a world without AMD wouldn't be good for anyone.

I won't blame so hard if AMD haven't use the "FX" name to name Bulldozer , plus all those hype they spread !
For Bulldozer performance , it doesn't fit to revive "FX" ( the "FX" does mean a lot to AMD fans , if you recall the Athlon64 era )

If Bulldozer don't use "FX" , it probably won't piss so much AMD fans off.

[Hondacity]

Wow.... When you look at the number of folks viewing the AMD thread compared to the Intel thread right now it doesn't really suprise me at some of the comments.
Do AMD folks actually go into Intel threads and trash things like this when Intel F's up?
I know I don't, and yes, Intel has had it's share of screw ups (remember the SATA problems with the last chipset?).

I know folks had really high expectaions for BD, I did too!
But, if you look at things from a rational point of veiw this chip doesn't look all that bad...
Yes, it's different, and it loses badly in ST performance. Keep in mind, this is a radical change from what we've seen in previous arch's.
It may take a little time for software/firmware tweaks (or even a respin) to make this chip shine!

What really shocks me, is the fact that I see alot of known AMD fans trashing it too....

None of this is really new to me. I hope it doesn't happen again, but I rode Commodore Amiga out of existence, and to this very day I still think it was a serious loss
from a tech point of veiw...

I'm less dissapointed in the chips performance, and more dissapointed in some of the responses I've seen.

I'll buy one as soon as I can, and push the snot out of it!
Maybe I'll be riding AMD out of business just like I did the Amiga....

I'd hope that reguardless of which camp your in, you'd realize that a world without AMD wouldn't be good for anyone.

idf2011, amd released 8.4ghz that totally jerk excitements all over.

anticipation for the best cpu from amd, of course threads like these will get a lot of views from xs members and other forum members.

[Negaterium]

So ... lab501 was right after all... too bad for AMD.

[richierich]

I agree with imamage. Why use FX-branding? Black Edition processors were fine by themselves. I was about to pull the trigger on an AM3+ mobo + BD combo on 10/12, but AMD has disappointed me. Why even bother releasing BD if it can't keep up with Thubans? I just sold my 2500K because I was expecting better. I'm a big AMD fan but this really irritates me. It makes me want to take an hour drive down to Sunnyvale to show AMD what a real bulldozer is, lol.

[Assimilator87]

I am absolutely crushed by the sad state of Bulldozer. How does an architecture specifically tuned for multithreaded performance fail so hard at said tasks? I was hoping for performance between quad SB and Gulftown, with significantly lower platform costs, but instead we get performance that on average, matches Thuban and at best, matches quad SB. I've exclusively used AMD for my personal systems since my first custom computer with a Thoroughbred Athlon XP. I shed a tear as I'm literally forced to upgrade to Intel.

[TheBlueChanell]

I am absolutely crushed by the sad state of Bulldozer. How does an architecture specifically tuned for multithreaded performance fail so hard at said tasks? I was hoping for performance between quad SB and Gulftown, with significantly lower platform costs, but instead we get performance that on average, matches Thuban and at best, matches quad SB. I've exclusively used AMD for my personal systems since my first custom computer with a Thoroughbred Athlon XP. I shed a tear as I'm literally forced to upgrade to Intel.

Why exactly do you need to upgrade? I'd think you could get another 300-500mhz out of your CPU and probably some higher CPU-NB clocks. If there's something you're doing that calls for higher performance that's understandable but for gaming and general desktop useage there's really no reason to upgrade what you've got. I'd say wait until the IVB/Piledriver Era.

[Evantaur]

if they would've called module=core people wouldn't be so mad now

[duron]

...did this one got lost along the way?

Pros:

Incredible Multi Threaded Performance
Excellent Price/Performance Ratio
Smooth Working Turbo Core For Speed Boost
Dual Turbo Modes For Increased Boost In Lightly Threaded Apps
Maintains Excellent Temps At Stock Speeds
Black Edition With Unlocked Multiplier
Eight Physical Cores
Easily Achieves High Overclocks
Excellent OC Performance Scaling
Easily Tweaked With AOD For Maximum Performance

Cons:

Performance In Single Threaded Apps Not On Par With Multithreaded

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/...13752?start=23

[duron]

...did this one got lost along the way?

Pros:

Incredible Multi Threaded Performance
Excellent Price/Performance Ratio
Smooth Working Turbo Core For Speed Boost
Dual Turbo Modes For Increased Boost In Lightly Threaded Apps
Maintains Excellent Temps At Stock Speeds
Black Edition With Unlocked Multiplier
Eight Physical Cores
Easily Achieves High Overclocks
Excellent OC Performance Scaling
Easily Tweaked With AOD For Maximum Performance

Cons:

Performance In Single Threaded Apps Not On Par With Multithreaded

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/...13752?start=23

[spursindonesia]

I still say the underlying architecture of the chip is quite sound and innovative, i just can't fathom what and where the ups are that make it like this state right now. Really waiting for peeps with knowledge to chime in with their analysis and opinion regarding this debacle .......

Perhaps if certain peep didn't make the statement of IPC increase and those leaked slides didn't happen to overly excite many of us, the anticipation won't be that high and it won't be perceived like a total abortion of release product as of right now.

[informal]

What we have been promised:
-higher or equal IPC (AMD HC22 presentation, AMD bulldozer blog,JF blog and posts)
-more cores(33% more)
-more clocks
-overall 30-50% more performance in the same TDP envelope than previous design

What we got as a final product:
-lower IPC,ranging from 10 to 25%!
-more "weak threads" that in many workloads barely beat X6 at lower clock ( weak threads are direct result of much lower IPC than K10even 4.2Ghz Turbo is not enough to offset this)
-higher clocks with much higher power draw under load (this can be GloFo's mistake for all we know)
- overall around 10-15% more performance vs 1100T

End result: we practically got 8 Bobcat cores (which are sometimes slower per clock than real Bobcat!),higher power draw than 1100T which can clock rather high (with astronomically high power draw when you do that).

With AMD's projected IPC improvements(now to be taken with much salt) ,even Steamroller will not be able to beat Llano which is around 7% faster than Thuban at around same clock while having no L3 cache at all.This is major fail I'm afraid. For desktop at least. For server I suppose they can do fairly well in SOME workloads,but overall they will be just a tiny bit better than where they were with MC. 2B transistors and this is what we get...

[Spectrobozo]

...did this one got lost along the way?


http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/...13752?start=23

probably because its a good example of a bad review,
a lot of GPU limited tests and selected benchmarks which would obviously show the main strength of the CPU, lack of PII X6, lack of OC on the Intel CPUs and so on,

if they would've called module=core people wouldn't be so mad now

I don't think so,
the biggest problem with BD is the low single thread performance, low IPC.

so using softwares that can only take advantage of 1-4 cores will always make BD look BAD, and unfortunately that's the case with many popular softwares.

[Chrono Detector]

Yeah, Bulldozer is an epic failure, I built a 990FX system all ready to go hoping that Bulldozer would deliver but apparently didn't. I have no more hope for AMD when it comes to CPU's anymore. and I doubt their next generation would be any good as well. The gaming benchmarks were the worst though, and power consumption was insane despite that its slower than the i7 2600K, not worth it. Not going to buy Bulldozer anymore.

[Postmodum]

... Bulldozer got bulldozed ... :x

The time to change to AMD still didn't come for me...

AMD had to launch this processor ... it imagine the R&D & yieldings costs ... they must, somehow, get same profit out of it ... They knew this was not as good as they anticipated ... what's sad, because the latest cpu's from AMD are labelled as " Not as good as you would like but ... get's the job done " and this is one more for the bunch .

bugger... :x

[bamtan2]

I'd hope that reguardless of which camp your in, you'd realize that a world without AMD wouldn't be good for anyone.

that was when amd made a good product. if amd keeps producing bad products like this, then they aren't helping us.

it doesn't matter if amd disappears if this is all they can do. this will not keep intel prices down. if anything, the reverse is happening, and intel is putting price pressure on amd. that is how bad zambezi is for the price right now. intel is better performance per dollar right now.

[bamtan2]

I'd hope that reguardless of which camp your in, you'd realize that a world without AMD wouldn't be good for anyone.

that was when amd made a good product. if amd keeps producing bad products like this, then they aren't helping us.

it doesn't matter if amd disappears if this is all they can do. this will not keep intel prices down. if anything, the reverse is happening, and intel is putting price pressure on amd. that is how bad zambezi is for the price right now. intel is better performance per dollar right now.

[FlanK3r]

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I think, power consumption is mistake of editors (some used bad BIOS version). OBR has more experinece, than most of editors from all world, look at his results. Still could be some problems in BIOS of some motherboards.