Quote Originally Posted by tifosi View Post

Surely you don't think it is as scummy as paying off Dell etc to not use AMD chips, slow other chips in their compilers etc. Or for that matter, willy nilly deciding which ISA is supported or not (remember SSE5, FMA4). If you talk about X86 compatibility, then Intel has a lot more to answer than other two companies involved.
Pointing someone else's failures doesn't eliminate yours. Intel is guilty of all that. How does that nulify the fact that AMD PR is currently in damage control mode, trying to spin the whole matter in the most positive light ? The whole "wait for trinity/piledriver" movement is already under way and BD hasn't been released yet !
Also, wait till NDA lapses before you decry the chip. As it is, we all know how Nvidia screwed DX10. We also have recently learned that windows is more optimized for HT than actual cores, which is to be fixed. So either you could be sane, and rational, or just jump around tearing up your hair.
I don't need an NDA lifted to make an opinion on the chip. I have the same opinion since 18 months and I will be proven right. Talk about consistency, a rare treat these days. I've been banned, insulted, laughed at, whatever. Reality however shows I interpreted the signals correctly and most others ( except a handful ) were day dreaming. No problem, reality will crash their dreams. BD will not touch SB, nice idea, lousy execution and too many tradeoffs.

Quote Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
Savantu is one of the resident AMD haters (and was banned from the news section for trolling the AMD threads I believe), so I do recommend taking anything he says regarding AMD with a fairly large amount of salt
Yes, the "hater" proven right, I must be damn good if I hit it correctly in "anger mode.". Just FYI, it's never about hate or preferences, whatever. Only idiots love or hate an abstract entity, a corporation. It's only the debate on the technical grounds which thrills me. My only pleasure is in debating, be it CPUs or corn crops, with other smart people. That's the whole purpose of a forum, no ? Exchanging, sometimes heated, ideas and opinions.