If you pay more attention to recently slides, can notice many of them are without date or the part that stated date is being splitted. Be aware of those suspicious slides cuz they might be already obsolete, like some rediculous roadmap.Originally Posted by maltrabob
PD is on both trinity and komodo, trinity doesn't seems to have even higher frequency than Zambezi.
Last edited by undone; 10-03-2011 at 01:20 AM.
My point is, do you really believe the next gen would not support PCI-E 3.0 and USB 3.0? Piledriver was originally planned for the second half of 2012 if I remember correctly, also PCI-E 3.0 wouldn`t be the part of a chipset anymore since it`s suppossed to be integrated into CPU.
Sure, that's funny.
Should be up-to-date, as the previous plan was to release an IGP-less Piledriver-based chip named Komodo on FM2. It was only recently replaced by this Piledriver on AM3+ one. (AFAIK it's called Wishera.)Edit: obviously not very up-to-date slide, there is no native PCI-E 3.0 or USB 3.0 either
Edit: alternatively, it was a plan B from way back...
So, "bdver2" is indeed Piledriver, not Steamroller, then... (?)I not only notice the integer performance increase(like Phenom to Llano) but more important is the FMA3 support which is only support on Haswell with Intel plan!
Dresdenboy was wrong here, it seems: http://citavia.blog.de/2010/10/21/si...llano-9726240/
1. You're speaking of Komodo, but it seems that's delayed or even canceled...
2. Piledriver will come first with Trinity 2012Q2 (on FM2).
3. Seems they are releasing a Piledriver-based chip for the AM3+ owners, as well, so that platform won't last a few months only...
But, to design a brand new chipset, as well? Not worth it.
4. Perhaps FM2 will support those feats.
Last edited by dess; 10-03-2011 at 02:35 AM.
that would bring it around the same area as IB which is runnig on a smaller node.... so how doesn't that look good?
FX8170 = (8150 + 8%)
Piledriver = FX8170 * 1.1
IB = SB+20% due to clocks.
Looking everything in a negative way is very easy. especially if you don't know the performance of the current BD..
No, it would not bring it to IB levels. Only if it already was on SB levels which it's not. It's not even on Nehalem levels.
They don't need this note at the bottom of the slide, if they talk about frequency only.
What level is zambezi then? It hasn't launched yet and all leaks show some abysmall perf. behaviour,even Vs thuban. I would rather wait for AT or some other official review to draw any conclusion.
if it is between 2500 and 2600 it is above all nehalems... which is were the current leaks point to...
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Ok. Let's see October 12th then. You are forgetting that even if BD can compete with one SB chip it doesn't mean it could compete with the architecture. SB is a relaxed architecture with lots of headroom, if AMD offered resistance then SB would be sold at higher frequencies and LGA 2011 would be hurried out and not like it has been now, BD doesn't seem to be that relaxed at all. And as it looks now, BD is far behind in single threaded performance, if it’s between 2500K and 2600K in a bunch of test which is mostly multithreaded then it’s not on the same level as I see it. You can talk multithreaded all you want but I don’t work with or play Cinebench. I use Firefox and play games. And single thread performance is important there, and yes, games are multithreaded but to a limit.
And, if the 10% in performance increase with Piledriver is frequency based, then it's a sign that we wont see much more than that until the next update in 2013-2014. But if it's IPC they mean, then there's still room for frequency also. And raising performance with frequency is a bit more desperate and a last resort thing to do. You have to agree that it nice to see IPC improvments rather than frequency improvements. The end result might look the same but the later usually has bigger drawbacks like heat, and has much more limited possibilies and is a sign of lack of innovation.
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-Boris- ffs, do you even know what you are talking about?
Bd might compete with SB chip but not with it's arch
SB is relaxed arch and BD isn't. Can you even get more BS than this?
What does relaxed arch mean in here?
He probably means SB has room to scale in frequency while BD propably wouldn't.
Given the process problems and the frequencies BD gets at stock and oced, it seems like BD has alot more frequency to gain than SB in the same power envelop though. (FX8150 -> FX8170 = +300MHz (300MHz turbo). 2600 ->3820= +200MHz (100MHz turbo) with an increased TDP.
Last edited by flyck; 10-03-2011 at 04:33 AM.
Totally agree with your statement. In my opinion, it would seem that Piledriver is what BD should have been.
As quoted by LowRun......"So, we are one week past AMD's worst case scenario for BD's availability but they don't feel like communicating about the delay, I suppose AMD must be removed from the reliable sources list for AMD's products launch dates"
No way!
Feel like something got lost in translation here.
If the best BD is capable of competing with a single product like the 2500K then it's not the same thing as the whole BD architecture is able to compete with the whole SB architecture. Intel has put SB more or less on hold until now. How well will BD compete with LGA 2011? So, that BD can compete with some SB chips does not mean that the architectures are comparable.
That Intel haven't pushed SB at all. SB got lots of potential but there is no reason to hurry for Intel. With 3960X Intel is pushing SB a bit more, can BD compete with that? No. So BD and SB isn't at the same level.
First of, FX8150 is already at a higher TDP than 2600K. Second, frequency isn't everything. LGA 2011 SB get a lot more than frequency. Third you still don't compare the best with the best. 3960X is Intels true highend, where they are pushing SB a bit.
Last edited by -Boris-; 10-03-2011 at 05:18 AM.
It's an "if".No way!I do think it will be 10% better IPC, maybe not overall but in certain workloads. I just say that IF it's all frequency, then Piledriver won't be such a nice refresh after all.
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I killed my 1090T :{
1st time I've ever killed a CPU, and I've been OC'ing since the K6-2 400 ...
I was trying to push my memory the other night on the new Sabertooth 990FX.
Long story short, I was doing pretty well @ 245 HTRef , 3.9 cores, 2.94 IMC and 1960 7-9-7 ram (no crazy voltage either).
I had some problems getting over that, so instead of cranking v's higher I turned "IMC Current Capacity" up to 120% in bios.
After that, I had a No Post situation...
I tried everything else first, CMOS reset, change MEM, 1 stick, I even changed the VidCard but still had the red light under the SB (HDD Boot Device Error).
My first thought was the board had died, so I pulled the CPU and put it in the C4F....
Same no post situation. Forunately, I still have a 965, so I put it in the main rig and everything is fine.
MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful cranking the current capacity on the IMC with Thuban....
Theres no doubt it could have just been my hardware, but I'll be real hesitant to crank it that high again.
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Is not the IMC part of the Uncore???
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Does the AMD Phenom II follow this description also????
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I think Boris should lay off the speculation pipe for the time being,he is wandering to some strange lands. 9 more days and many things will be much clearer.
Last edited by informal; 10-03-2011 at 05:26 AM.
I've just said that BD won't compete with the best SB has to offer. Is that to speculative for this thread?I think Boris should lay off the speculation pipe for the time being,he is wandering to some strange lands
And I wrote no way they meant for the frequency. No case I remember they meant for that in such slides, without indicating it.It's an "if".
You're just trying to find a reason to be negative. Again.
No, not at all.You're just trying to find a reason to be negative. Again.
I've said I believe it to be IPC improvements. I've just tossed an if into the equation, then people started arguing that those 10% would be enough to pu PD in the same performance as IB, and that BD already had the same performance as SB.
To summarize.
I think PD will be 10% faster than BD clock for clock.
I don't think BD is equal to SB.
I don't think PD will be equal to IB.
I think it would be bad IF these 10% were just frequency improvements.
And people are saying I'm wrong and speculating when presenting the last three points here. And I can't see why.If that's being negative then I don't want to be positive, cause it seems delusional.
Microcenter Monthly ad has prices expire the 16th of October, which is not normal; my guess is that a new ad will be released with bulldozer deals, et al. Looks like the 12th or there-abouts is the real deal...
and If they throw in a new stepping and bios update they can make PD have 33.5%(22.5%+10%) better IPC
im just kidding based on the latest BD ruomor
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