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[chew*]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

[liberato87]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

..maybe you re saying that there is not only 1 way to valuate "performance" ?

or maybe you re saying that this architecture will work in a different way, so it is useless comparing that using the "old" cpu architecture functioning?

sorry for my bad english and sorry if Im saying stupid things but I just want to know more about your "ambiguos" expression


also your sign is ambiguos
in my country we use to say that somebody have to "retire" when he is at the highest level.. so I think (and hope) you will retire after doing the world record ln2 overclock on a FX!

[CrazyNutz]

Looks like i will need a bigger PSU

Damn. Where are we going to find a reasonable priced 10.4 Megawatt PSU?

[possessed]

Minimum, so to be safe I suppose it's better to go for a 13 to 15MW PSU

[Buckeye]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Brian skins a lot of cats so he knows what he is talking about

[Solus Corvus]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Now that is sufficiently ambiguous. I'm sure plenty of brains will go pretzelform thinking about that one.

[m411b]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Care to elaborate? Now ya got me thinkin'. I'm a grunt, no one ever accused us of being the cookie with the most chocolate chips in the cookie jar!

[Hondacity]

in southern china, some eat cats like chicken. they skin cats differently. and they eat the flesh. skinning cats have different ways.

[m411b]

in southern china, some eat cats like chicken. they skin cats differently. and they eat the flesh. skinning cats have different ways.

OK Thanks Hondacity.

[JumpingJack]

in southern china, some eat cats like chicken. they skin cats differently. and they eat the flesh. skinning cats have different ways.

Ever been to Athens, Greece? No southern chinaman would go hungry if they took up residence there.

[halofanman]

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[Baam]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Not sure if that's good or bad for Bulldozer. Any more info?

[hyc]

Ever been to Athens, Greece? No southern chinaman would go hungry if they took up residence there.

Lol so true. Haven't been back in ages but I remember the cats in every corner of every building...

[Blaber]

I'm just gonna put this little bit out there.

There is more than 1 way to skin a cat.

Wolf in sheep's disguise has been skinned

[massman]

Assuming the cat is half the solution ...

[Lightman]

Nice way to derail thread which already was kind of derailed. Double Derail FTW

Haven't had that much fun reading forums for weeks now, keep it up!

[chew*]

What that little and very old phrase means. Lets go to a car analogy ( forgive me ).

I have a plain Jane 2001 Neon SE 5spd MATX.

Now in it's stock form the car is a rat, for instancee 1st gear is a very narrow band and sluggish as well as second........the car wakes up around 3rd and 4th gear.

Now if i wanted to improve the performance of the car the right thing to do would be work on the areas it is weak. Installing long tube headers and a CAI and a cam would be counter productive as those 3 things would boost mid range which is already preety strong.

Cost for above mods would be roughly $600 with quality parts.

The logical thing would be to install an under drive pulley for faster rev, alum flywheel, and dump the stock 2" exhaust from the cat back which would all boost the bottom end performance around first and second gear.

Cost for above mods would be roughly $600 with quality parts.

2 totally diff paths of upgrade pointed out above and tbh would you feel the difference? Not really, but it would be measurable and the last one would net better measured performance.

Make sense now?

You can tune deffencies away whether it be a cpu or an entire system build, it all just depends on your end game or goals and choosing correctly. It's always better to tune for some nice balance in the end.

[Oese]

so bulldozer pulls more from the low end xD nice analogy my x6 does this too i believe and its overall smoother

[xsecret]

You guys want to know more about Bulldozer "final" Performance & Pricing ? I just found an (old) interesting screenshot from AMD.

Easy as hell : everything you want to know is written down here.

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[Manicdan]

^funny though both brazos and lynx are more expensive than that chart shows. i think they over-performed.

[Oese]

hehe only that amd is late

whatever msi is also late with bd-ready bios update for my board

[Formula350]

What that little and very old phrase means. Lets go to a car analogy ( forgive me ).

I thanked you for that post, simply because of the car analogy usage lol

You could also do the "blasphemous" move and swap out the MT for an AT, then equip it with a 3500 Stall so it launches immediately in the power band A lot of the problem could easily be the fact that the Neon (sans SRT-4) was not intended for any sort of performance, so an overhaul of the computer's programming could do a world of difference (remap spark curves, AF:R table, tune the knock-retard table). Factory tune is sort of like the whole Intel Compiler use with AMD fiasco, where if you just run it as is you're not getting all the performance you could be heh

As for the cat: Schrödinger's Skun Cat Theory - The cat has neither been skinned, nor does it have skin!
(Definition for our foreign friends, -- ^^^^^ -- since it's not a commonly used term)

^funny though both brazos and lynx are more expensive than that chart shows. i think they over-performed.

In the US I don't see it being that much for a system build, even for a A8-3850 (which I think the 3550 in that chart might be representative of what the 3850 is).
A8-3850: ~$130
Mobo: $65-140
RAM: 2x4GB - $30-40 (DDR3-1600)
PSU: $40-50 (for a quality 600W with MIR, which is overkill)
Case: $40-90
HDD: $40-55
Optical: $20
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Total: $525 (at most)

Monitor, keyboard, mouse, general purpose speakers: ~$155 (monitor would be name brand ~19-21 inch, but relatively inexpensive mouse/keyboard/speakers)
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Complete System: $680

Use the cheaper motherboard and case, and they knock it down to $555! That's lower than the Lynx with E2 APU prediction

whatever msi is also late with bd-ready bios update for my board

I think everyone will be late with the max-performance BIOS since AMD did some chip revising.

[Oese]

I think everyone will be late with the max-performance BIOS since AMD did some chip revising.

It was a joke i dont know if this board would get a bd bios (though it could afaik), let alone the point you made..

Damn i want some more chinese leak benches to drive the discussion even further

[xsecret]

AMD will try to keep the discussion away from performances as long as possible. You'll see next week what I'm talking about

[Oese]

Funny my patience doesnt grow much if people that know more say things like "you will see next week" xD