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[freeloader]

I hope you can show us some tricks then, if not you better start learning some. I'm pretty sure he's going to be right about sub-par performance and the actual date you can purchase a CPU (October).
I really hope AMD ditches SOI and just uses a bulk process in the future. SOI has been the thorn in AMD's side for a few years now. Always causing
delays on a new process node.

[muziqaz]

I hope you can show us some tricks then, if not you better start learning some. I'm pretty sure he's going to be right about sub-par performance and the actual date you can purchase a CPU (October).
I really hope AMD ditches SOI and just uses a bulk process in the future. SOI has been the thorn in AMD's side for a few years now. Always causing
delays on a new process node.

Sub Par, you mean like in those benches he made up?

[freeloader]

I seen benches from multiple sources now and I can't believe they're all fake. I seriously think BD is a dud. Starting to remind me of the original Phenom launch.

[TESKATLIPOKA]

I seen benches from multiple sources now and I can't believe they're all fake. I seriously think BD is a dud. Starting to remind me of the original Phenom launch.

And what are those multiple sources? Everything I know about was from OBR and that Turkey site had just some fake benches from OBR.
http://www.overclock3d.net/articles/...ces_revealed/1
Can you explain why the price for BD will be 300 dollars when Its performance should be worse than even SB 2500k and is released almost one year later.
On the other hand I can pretty much agree on the date you can buy It. Release date in September with availability in October.

[muziqaz]

multiple sources

[TESKATLIPOKA]

you got me

[freeloader]

If I told you where I've seen numbers, I would have to kill you. I believe what I've seen and as I've said, it does not look good for BD. You can thank me in two months when you see the numbers for yourself.

[PerryR]

If I told you where I've seen numbers, I would have to kill you. I believe what I've seen and as I've said, it does not look good for BD. You can thank me in two months when you see the numbers for yourself.

Why can't you tell us the sources? It shouldn't be too much trouble. I believe you've only seen the OBR benches, which he admitted were fake/troll induced. I've been following this thing for months, and have heard next to nothing on performance figures elsewhere. BD not arriving in vast numbers isn't enough to convince me it's a fail.

I just wanted to say that. It costs me a dollar. LOL.

[freeloader]

Why can't you tell us the sources? It shouldn't be too much trouble. I believe you've only seen the OBR benches, which he admitted were fake/troll induced. I've been following this thing for months, and have heard next to nothing on performance figures elsewhere. BD not arriving in vast numbers isn't enough to convince me it's a fail.

I just wanted to say that. It costs me a dollar. LOL.

Go out on the net and find them. You can obviously tell which ones are fake and which ones may have some credibility. I don't believe anything that OBR has published, he's just fishing for page hits. I personally believe AMD has given up trying to take Intel on in a performance per core battle. They can't win that as Intel simply has too much of an advantage in money, R&D and process capability. I'll stick to what I've said and we can check back on this thread in two months.

[crazydiamond]

From what I've seen I'm not worried about bd

[Manicdan]

if its so obvious, post which you think are real for those of us who dont know which your looking at.

[PerryR]

Go out on the net and find them. You can obviously tell which ones are fake and which ones may have some credibility. I don't believe anything that OBR has published, he's just fishing for page hits. I personally believe AMD has given up trying to take Intel on in a performance per core battle.

Go find them on the net? Where? I've told you I haven't seen anything aside from OBR, plus, I'm skeptical that you've actually seen such benches; and if you did, they were likely based off OBR's "findings." Furthermore, if AMD is giving up on competitive CPU', why bother with the FX moniker, why bother providing a $300 price tag; why produce a comic that takes blatant shots at Intel? Doesn't add up.

[TheBreezyBB]

Freeloader, you know as much as OBR does.

[PaganII]

Didn't they change the posting rules here recently? Why are people still spreading FUD?

[freeloader]

Go find them on the net? Where? I've told you I haven't seen anything aside from OBR, plus, I'm skeptical that you've actually seen such benches; and if you did, they were likely based off OBR's "findings." Furthermore, if AMD is giving up on competitive CPU', why bother with the FX moniker, why bother providing a $300 price tag; why produce a comic that takes blatant shots at Intel? Doesn't add up.

If I was AMD, I would not put the FX moniker on BD. The comic is merely a marketing tool and a poor one at that. If AMD was so confident in BD, don't you think they would place a lot higher price than $300 on their new CPU?

[freeloader]

Freeloader, you know as much as OBR does.

More than OBR does. Like I've said, see me in two months.

[PerryR]

If AMD was so confident in BD, don't you think they would place a lot higher price than $300 on their new CPU?

What? Why? Now you're not making sense. You're the one who said BD was going to be a release on the levels of Phenom. Why would AMD price a failed product, that according to you won't compete with Intel's offerings, the same as their competition? Particularly if they aren't confident, or don't have an interest in competing (as you surmise)? That sounds ridiculous.

More than OBR does.

But you can't provide your sources. I look forward to seeing your response in the next two months.

[Dumo]

Any prediction of how good/bad BD is just speculation...until we have an actual FX chip on our mobo's socket

[freeloader]

What? Why? Now you're not making sense. You're the one who said BD was going to be a release on the levels of Phenom. Why would AMD price a failed product, that according to you won't compete with Intel's offerings, the same as their competition? Particularly if they aren't confident, or don't have an interest in competing (as you surmise)? That sounds ridiculous.



But you can't provide your sources. I look forward to seeing your response in the next two months.

You're the one who said AMD is going to have a $300 dollar price tag on BD, not me. If you had a product that was faster than your competitors, you would definitely charge more for it. We will see in two months who is right and who was wrong. A lot of AMD peeps around here are going to end up with egg on their faces, including myself. I already set up a CHV system with a Phenom II 955 (waiting for BD to arrive when I built it), but now I feel I made a poor decision.

[PerryR]

Who says it has to be faster? As long as it matches SB, I'll be more than satisfied.

[Daveburt714]

You're the one who said AMD is going to have a $300 dollar price tag on BD, not me. If you had a product that was faster than your competitors, you would definitely charge for it.

I honestly don't think most (rational) AMD fans expect BD to crush the 2600K since they're priced in the same range.
That being said, I expect BD to be quite competetive depending on the workload... If you have a need for a SPi/IPC monster you may well have made a mistake buying the C5F...

If your looking for a multi-tasking machine that will be good with modern workloads, I think the C5F was a good purchase, and will only get better when software developers start exploiting the new features....

AMD seems to be concentrating on Performance per Watt, and from what I've seen they're doing a daym good job of it!

I talked to my guy @ MicroCenter today and he said the A3xxx laptops are selling like hotcakes, they're even having a hard time keeping them in stock!

It all comes down to performance per watt, and I don't doubt that BD will kick butt in that department...

I'm impatient too man... Theres been alot of sillyness concernig BD, but I'm not ready to listen to all the BS being rehashed by numerous websites and fake benchmarks...

Guess we'll all see who was right in the next few weeks...

[BeepBeep2]

To sum up this last page and a half in three words?
"cool story br0".

I'm not trying to be a troll here, but mindless arguing is mindless arguing. ...over numbers from ES steppings about product unreleased to boot.

I'll see you guys in a month and I'll make sure to buy one of AMD's competitively priced 8 core chips.

[Daveburt714]

Beep is a fanboy...

It don't make you bad man...I am too.

I'll shaddup up now... I always drink beer, damn, whiskey! sigh...

I'm not a folks, sorry for even posting. It doesn't make me bad (hic).

[TESKATLIPOKA]

freeloader BD won't crush SB but will be an excellent competitor that's what we all want. To crush the competition BD would need to have at least a core better by 10% than SB. Even if it had the same core to core performance It would be better only in 5-8 threads because SB has HT. You need to be reminded that SB is better by 30-35% than Deneb core to core and you want BD to have a better core by 40-50% than Deneb thats pretty much unreal.
Because you won't get that much improvement BD is a disappointment for you, then what would you buy, SB? BD should be on par with SB or you can get SB-E but it would be pointless if you don't use more than 4 threaded applications because SB and SB-E will perform almost the same in single thread and only the higher core count will make the real difference.

[FlanK3r]

If I told you where I've seen numbers, I would have to kill you. I believe what I've seen and as I've said, it does not look good for BD. You can thank me in two months when you see the numbers for yourself.

hm....what can you say me example about multithreads performance against 2500k ....,-)?

Price about 300$ doesnt mean, performance is whorse than A or B CPU...How many people buy CPU for 500$ or more? Example, sells 1000 pieces of 300$ CPU and only 150 pieces of 500$ CPUs. ANd now, whats better for company as AMD? And second, if 300$ CPU will be cheaper and simillary in performance than 400$ from Intel, doesnt mean from your point of view, its whorse? Thirdly, u have two CPUs, one with 2 cores+ht, very high clocks and second CPU with 6 cores, low clocks. What will be better? AVerage will be this two CPUs simillary, but for gamer user will be better first version, for graphic designer will be better second choice.