AMD Zambezi news, info, fans !

[Mats]

No IGP.

[DarthShader]

Why should Komodo stay with PCIe on on a separate NB? To please AM3+ owners?
http://translate.google.com/translat...545%2F&act=url


Still no one wants to believe it. "Komodo is not an APU blablabla.."

Because it isn't. It's listed as a CPU in the codenames list you provided.

And the APU bulldozer that AMD representative is talking about is Trinity, also listed in the codnames list, as an APU. It might fit into the FM1 socket Llano will be sitting in, but nothing is sure. Certainly not adding a PCIe controller into Komodo next year, so hold on a bit till you say "told you so".

Meanwhile, Anand has some fresh news: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4389/c...o-motherboards

The other thing I did hear at the show floor regarding Bulldozer was about its clock speed. Current B1 stepping parts are easily hitting 3.8GHz which is what the high end SKU may actually ship at (with turbo support up to 4.2GHz). I'm waiting for more confirmation but it sounds like Bulldozer will at least clock very high.

LOL, Anand fell for the Turbo too. But at least this could explain the leaks we have seen, they were all at 3.8Ghz in CPUZ, not an idle state... cause they were overclocked! So if they were true, then it's not looking bad.

BTW. notice how that article mentions Llano boards in the title, but there's none of it in the Article itself? Just two Intel boards, the Llano ones are in the gallery...

[Mats]

It can have integrated graphics and still be called a CPU.
It doesn't make sense to call it an APU if the graphics doesn't match the CPU in terms of performance.

Certainly not adding a PCIe controller into Komodo next year

Why do you think so? That makes no sense.
Why do you think Komodo will be that radically different (no PCIe) from Sepang and Terramar?

AMD have already done it with Llano, and the competition have used it for almost two years.

[DarthShader]

Why do you think so? That makes no sense.

You took it ou of context. I said it's not certain they are going to do it, we have no info about that. But it's definitely a possibility, altough they might opt for more backwards compatibility.

Why do you think Komodo will be that radically different (no PCIe 3.0) from Sepang and Terramar?

Because those are server chips, for a very different socket too. AMD server chips already had 4-channel memory and it's still unknown when AMD is going to depart from 2-channel on dektops. So what happens in servers, is no indication of what is going on in desktops.

[maoklein]

skimming trough anand`s front page news: 3 ssd articles, 1 power supply, 2 asus stuff, and all the rest are intel related -- most of them directly, some about mobos on intel platforms.

amd and nvidia got the same treatment. both shared a humble last paragraph on some piece that had intel on them.

actually amd got 2 paragraphs (on the brazos tablet and on the msi`s x79 and llano)



edit:
btw, this post of mine isn`t off topic. it reiterates the LACK of news about "AMD Zambezi news, info, [and] FANS !" =p

[Mats]

I didn't think certainly not could mean not certain in any context, but this isn't my native language so what do I know.

There's no chance AMD would go for backwards compatibility with Komodo, the AM socket series needs a replacement (and it has very little or nothing to do with DDR4).
AMD didn't go for maximum backwards compatibility with Zambezi because it would hamper the performance potential, and I seriously doubt AMD will be so much ahead of the competition a year from now, that they don't need every performance improvement they can get.

Because those are server chips, for a very different socket too. AMD server chips already had 4-channel memory and it's still unknown when AMD is going to depart from 2-channel on dektops. So what happens in servers, is no indication of what is going on in desktops.

Todays server chips aren't that different from desktop, the channels are two from each die = 4 (something that will most likely change in the future).
C32, G34 and AM3 all uses quite similar chips, although not identical.

[DarthShader]

I didn't think certainly not could mean not certain in any context, but this isn't my native language so what do I know.

YOu have to look at the sentence before, at the "nothing is sure" part. It isn't my native language either, so I might have goofed up myself.

There's no chance AMD would go for backwards compatibility with Komodo, the AM socket series needs a replacement (and it has very little or nothing to do with DDR4).

Of course it needs a replacement, that's because every desktop chip will once become an APU so it will need the display interface and PCIe controller outs. The question is, do we do both at once, or do we divide it into two new sockets to earn more money and piss people off, like Intel does. Since Komodo will most liekly not be an APU, there can be many solutions. Either adding the PCIe controller at a later point, or introduce a new socket that's going already have the pins ready for the future, or make Komodo fit into the FM1 (maybe FM2) socket, without an IGP.

[jimbo75]

Anand now saying B1 "easily hits 3.8 Ghz"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4389/c...o-motherboards

[qurious63ss]

Anand now saying B1 "easily hits 3.8 Ghz"

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4389/c...o-motherboards

So if speed is not the problem then what is keeping performance down? That's a rhetorical ???

[DarthShader]

Thermals and TDP. It sounds like it has to be OCed to reach those clocks.

[qurious63ss]

So it "easily hits 3.8Ghz" but only when OC'd. If true then it sounds like a leaky process.

[FlanK3r]

Anandtech said bulls**ts for some days ago. It was wrong. He is still life in this performance B0 revision http://i309.photobucket.com/albums/k...labobby/53.jpg

AMD show us Trinity sample!Trinity from Computex

So it "easily hits 3.8Ghz" but only when OC'd. If true then it sounds like a leaky process.

lol, do u cant read it corectly? For you again "he other thing I did hear at the show floor regarding Bulldozer was about its clock speed. Current B1 stepping parts are easily hitting 3.8GHz which is what the high end SKU may actually ship at (with turbo support up to 4.2GHz). I'm waiting for more confirmation but it sounds like Bulldozer will at least clock very high."

[informal]

AMD corrected that slide since then.Now Komodo is listed as "6-10 improved Bulldozer cores". No DX11 listed anymore,since Komodo is not an APU,it's "just" and x86 chip,like Zambezi.

[XRL8]

In AMD`s blog its said to be PAIRED with dx11 gpu, as they sell platforms, its easy to see why they might have slipped a slide like that.
Anyhow, it will be pcie integrated, so its almost certain that they wont make am3+ version of it.
And informal above me told you the rest.
For komodo to have integrated GPU, CURRENT and OFFICIAL AMD blog would have to be plain wrong.Possilble, but i doubt that.

[informal]

No IGP in Komodo,Trinity is the APU based on Bulldozer and next gen Radeon cores. Komodo should be AM3+ compatible.

[nex_73]

[muziqaz]

So Trinity is next Llano. I am hearing that it will be compatible with FM1 socket.

[undone]

So Trinity is next Llano. I am hearing that it will be compatible with FM1 socket.

I want to know whether the GPU would be new arch or not.

[muziqaz]

I want to know whether the GPU would be new arch or not.

I think it will be based at least on 69xx shaders.

[XRL8]

No IGP in Komodo,Trinity is the APU based on Bulldozer and next gen Radeon cores. Komodo should be AM3+ compatible.

“Komodo”
Market: Server and Performance Desktops
What is it? “Komodo” is AMD’s next generation CPU and is primarily intended for servers and high-performance desktops. “Komodo” will feature next-generation “Bulldozer” CPU cores and, in desktop PC platforms, is designed to couple with DirectX® 11 GPUs to provide enthusiast-level system performance.

Komodo is a codename for the whole lineup of next gen BD cores,both server and desktop ones.
On the server side, there will be two versions, like now, with two NEW sockets.
AMD pretty much always uses the same silicon for its high end desktop and both server sockets.
Its confirmed on this blog that both new server chips ,sepang and terramar will have pcie 3.0 on die and require new socket.
So logic dictates it will be the same with desktop variant.

[FlanK3r]

So Trinity is next Llano. I am hearing that it will be compatible with FM1 socket.

Trinity is new APU, no Llano. Llano core is redesing of K10 core. Trinity has base at Bulldozer core. It will be FM1 or maybe FM2 socket.

[muziqaz]

Trinity is new APU, no Llano. Llano core is redesing of K10 core. Trinity has base at Bulldozer core. It will be FM1 or maybe FM2 socket.

That is what I meant

[AAbenson]

so a non-available cpu(BD) "easily" hits 3.8mhz...on the other hand a widely available cpu(2600K) easily hits 4.5ghz...this is great new info update about the current state of affairs at AMD,combined with the nice timeline pictures of Llano/Buldozer it makes it even greater.

[undone]

so a non-available cpu(BD) "easily" hits 3.8mhz...on the other hand a widely available cpu(2600K) easily hits 4.5ghz...

anandtech doesn't mean 3.8ghz is overclock, that's a stock freq.

[Dresdenboy]

[Komodo & Co. slide]

Wow, only 8 cores for Komodo? Was "up to 10" before.