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[wez]

yes, its fake...Giga confirmed, this is fake

Well its not like Giga would say its real, even if it was

But hard to say.. the coming weeks should be pretty interesting no matter what!

[SkullCracka]

hah someone edited the chat part of the picture LMAO

[Formula350]

hah someone edited the chat part of the picture LMAO

Didn't get to see it, but that's why you never never direct link Always save a copy, and if anything upload it to the forums heh

I CAN'T WAIT FOR BULLDOZERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm going to have a aneurysm from the suspense haha

[BeepBeep2]

Well its not like Giga would say its real, even if it was

But hard to say.. the coming weeks should be pretty interesting no matter what!

What was suspicious to me at least, was the compression.

You see compression artifacts around words, and then it abruptly stops in a uniform rectangle.

That's just not how lossy compression works, especially not jpeg.

[ChanceCoats123]

Even if it's fake, the very quick Super Pi time brought up a discussion at OCF:

Since each module has shared components, and the hardware does the splitting of resources, even if Super Pi is a single-threaded program, it will be split up between the two "cores" in the single module because the resource allocating is done via on-chip hardware, and not the software. Which is like getting two cores to computer Super Pi, but it's still single-threaded.

[SkullCracka]

the pic is real. BD is real. look again its up.

[Formula350]

What was suspicious to me at least, was the compression.

You see compression artifacts around words, and then it abruptly stops in a uniform rectangle.

That's just not how lossy compression works, especially not jpeg.

Everyone is wrong sometimes

I used Photoshop CS3 with a compression of 6, and while it's not as extreme, his might be an older or newer version. OR not even Photoshop for that matter.

I assume it abruptly stops like that because the aliasing of text results in small color changes, which can compress. Big empty white boxes are solid and so any compression doesn't stand out.[/theory]

[BeepBeep2]

Your "compression boxes" are not perfectly uniform like they are in the other shot... also look at your box that says DDR3...

[Formula350]

Your "compression boxes" are not perfectly uniform like they are in the other shot... also look at your box that says DDR3...

That's why I made the disclaimer about what version PShop I used, and the fact the other pic may not ever have been saved in any version of PShop :\ Compare AIDA and Notepad though, you'll see the plain as day boxes around the text.

Also a huge difference is the Windows DPI is cranked up on his, which will impact the severity of the compression artifacting. I was going to change mine, but already changed themes for this endeavor haha

Again, I know mine isn't a perfect match, but it shows that it will at least artifact that way

[[XC] Oj101]

One other thing, there are two fonts in CPU-Z:



The HT in HT Link on CPU-Z is in the same blue as the field values, a mistake or very odd compression?

[2good4you]

Even if it's fake, the very quick Super Pi time brought up a discussion at OCF:

Since each module has shared components, and the hardware does the splitting of resources, even if Super Pi is a single-threaded program, it will be split up between the two "cores" in the single module because the resource allocating is done via on-chip hardware, and not the software. Which is like getting two cores to computer Super Pi, but it's still single-threaded.

Wrong. One execution-unit can in singelthreaded mode use all resources of the front-end and deliver massive throughput. Also with aggressive Turbo mode, it will be even faster in singelthreaded workload.

No one has pointed out that Bulldozer can execute one thread along the two integer units.

If it does so anyways, then I'm very glad.

As I said, AMD is REALLY holding Bulldozer behind the gates.

[Apokalipse]

Each integer unit has its own scheduler. They can't combine the two integer units to process one instruction or one thread.
The two 128-bit FPU's belong to each of the two cores in the module, but share a single scheduler.
Only certain 256-bit FP instructions can be spanned across the two 128-bit FPU's - I'd guess the OS will see it as being just one of the two cores in the module being used, even though the other core's FPU is busy, which would still allow integer instructions to run on that core.
Or would it be possible for it to simultaneously process (1x256-bit OR 2x128-bit) FP instructions as well as integer instructions on both cores?

[SkullCracka]

http://www.rumorpedia.net/wp-content...dbulldozer.jpg

here you go higher resolution. LOL but two active windows???

[Formula350]

One other thing, there are two fonts in CPU-Z:



The HT in HT Link on CPU-Z is in the same blue as the field values, a mistake or very odd compression?

That's the Windows System page where you took the screen crop of (Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\System). The font is the same though, just looks a little different due to all the dissimilar characters. Compare the "m" though, in "memory" and "(tm)", you can see they are of the same size and font.

The HT color IS blue like the specs, as you pointed out. The font size is also down a point or two from non-GB version, but I suspect that was done to allow all of the lines in the Instructions to be displayed. The color I can only assume would be due to a coding goof by the programmer, but it is odd none-the-less.

Aside form that, the only other oddity I've spotted (on account of your post when I went to compare fonts) is the control panel path in the basic system info screen. Not much is able to be seen due to the IM message window, but what we CAN see is: The trailing point on a "▶", and "System and Se". Either it's "System and Settings" or "System and Search", neither of which are what my Win7 Ultimate show (at least the 32bit ver I've got on this laptop).

http://www.rumorpedia.net/wp-content...dbulldozer.jpg

here you go higher resolution. LOL but two active windows???

That's the exact same picture, Skull lol Res, file size, even link (and filename as a result)

What do you mean by "two active windows" though? CPU-Z, or?

[SkullCracka]

the chat window and the cpu-z window have red X... so how can both be active windows at the same time?

[Formula350]

the chat window and the cpu-z window have red X... so how can both be active windows at the same time?

Aye, good catch. That reminds me of the one I forgot to mention: I think there might be a setting deeper in Windows to disable the Aero Peek on the task bar windows (disabling it is just for the button on the far right side), but... If I hover over the thumbnail like he has, which is the only way to get the yellow balloon to pop up, it makes all the windows transparent (see pic attachment).

Also, there is another snafu, which falls in line with the dual-illuminated Red X issue (which hovering the cursor over an inactive window's X will make it red, but it also glows and looks different). The window shadowing actually indicates that THREE windows are 'active'! The MSN chat, CPU-Z, and then Notepad as well (but it's X is offscreen).

I'm beginning to think there is no such thing as the perfect fake on things such as this (where so much is unknown) when you have enough eyes

EDIT: aha-ha DUHH Helps to at least TAKE the screenshot I was going to attach >_< *sigh* I resized it 50%, since no use in using a full-res shot. Here it is though...

[[XC] Oj101]

Nicely spotted

[ASharp]

With regards to Formula350's image, I think it's worth pointing out that if you just hover the icon on your taskbar and not over the larger "thumbnail" that pops up, you won't activate the Aero Peek feature and will only see the thumbnail plus the little tooltip with the title of the window. With that being said, I've noticed something further that would be evidence against it being legitimate.

In the chat window, you'll notice that in the context menu in the chat window, "Video from Bing" is highlighted which means the mouse pointer would have to be hovering over it when the screenshot was taken. At the same time though, the "thumbnail" for the CPU-Z readme text file is active which means that the mouse pointer must be hovering over the taskbar. The mouse pointer must be in two places at once which can't be possible....

[Manicdan]

simply put, that chat window was added to the image

[Dolk]

Each integer unit has its own scheduler. They can't combine the two integer units to process one instruction or one thread.
The two 128-bit FPU's belong to each of the two cores in the module, but share a single scheduler.
Only certain 256-bit FP instructions can be spanned across the two 128-bit FPU's - I'd guess the OS will see it as being just one of the two cores in the module being used, even though the other core's FPU is busy, which would still allow integer instructions to run on that core.
Or would it be possible for it to simultaneously process (1x256-bit OR 2x128-bit) FP instructions as well as integer instructions on both cores?

Actually no, it would not be possible to do integer execution while the FP is being executed as well. This was one of my exam questions for my CPU Archi class. I'll have to dig up my response, but it pretty much has to do with the scheduler and the PC.

[Mats]

LOL but two active windows???

Oh nice one.

Besides, two recycler bins? Lower left and upper right. Not saying it's impossible, just stupid.

And why would anyone set the title bars to be that gigantic? I always make them smaller after install (the smaller one in the pic). The same goes for the border padding.

[BeepBeep2]

Guys it was already reported that screen is several screens merged...no need to speculate on why there are two active windows...doesn't mean its fake I could do that too

[SkullCracka]

ya was just something they were speculating on in the coments where the pic is hosted. "shrugs" if BD even comes close to that it will be awsome. would mean that BD turbo @ 3.8 which apears to be a stock for that model = i7 2600k @ 4.5ghz

[Formula350]

Guys it was already reported that screen is several screens merged...no need to speculate on why there are two active windows...doesn't mean its fake I could do that too

Which begs the question: Why the hell DO it then? >_> lol It'd have been easier and far far less suspicious to just use Snipping Tool and set it to "Window" mode, and make a collage :P Why go through the trouble of making it look good?

[SkullCracka]

in there chat they wanted to be famous... LOL