Bulldozers first screens

[Calmatory]

CPU-Z does not probe or read cache associativity so it could be a flaw in the software.

[Postmodum]

Yes, fake. Plus there have been already better leaked screenshots with the correct data, e.g. here:
http://we.pcinlife.com/thread-1657459-1-1.html

You should read the threads with more attention ...

[madcho]

We can be sure it's a fake, fakers like take a pictures most of the time, and the number of cpuz was hidden,
how much this is stupid for a fake ...

[Postmodum]

How are you so sure other that just being your opinion without facts? ... just because "fakers do like this and that... " ... that's not an argument ...

Until proofs that's a valid screen ( the one showing 1.168 vcore ) ...

Well... but to say the truth ... it's not that interesting at all...

"woah... cpuz :P cool ... ok ... looked at it for 10 seconds it's enough ... nothing more? meh ... boring ... "

[AbortRetryFail?]

...

ITYANRIC (I think you are not remembering it correctly.

It was not a single cherrypicked benchmark. The statement was a server statement, not a desktop statement. At launch there were several benchmarks that were 40%+ greater for Barcelona.

The second half of your statement is correct. The interwebs grabbed that statement and made it a generic barcelona vs. Intel statement just as I have seen people misusing the "50% greater throughput" statement about Interlagos.

AaH-WLFtPoaFPSR (As a Half-Wit Logic Follows the Probability of a Fifty Percent Success Rate)

and

ISBNttGfAMDwUVOBatGwNY (It Should Be Noted that the Gentleman from AMD was Unfairly Vilified Over Barcelona, and that Gentleman was Not You)

[SEA]

AbortRetryFail?
Fail

[STaRGaZeR]

AaH-WLFtPoaFPSR (As a Half-Wit Logic Follows the Probability of a Fifty Percent Success Rate)

and

ISBNttGfAMDwUVOBatGwNY (It Should Be Noted that the Gentleman from AMD was Unfairly Vilified Over Barcelona, and that Gentleman was Not You)

lol

[zoomee]

Not long to go guys - 14th June

http://www.techpowerup.com/145122/AM...-Detailed.html

now wheres all the leaked benchies we were promised last week?

[tifosi]

Not long to go guys - 14th June

http://www.techpowerup.com/145122/AM...-Detailed.html

now wheres all the leaked benchies we were promised last week?

I have younger brothers (twins) who were born on 14th of June... Well i'm getting what is nothing short of a very generous present on their birthday

[Postmodum]

I think i will be buying Bulldozer but i will w8 to see how batches work ... i don't want to sell my i7 920 3849A ... so i will be getting parts as i see they are worth ( motherboard & memory ) ...

How does AMD work, first batches are good or, usually, they get better during time? Intel did a great set of batches with the 38**A series ... the later batches are far from spectacular ... so i don't know what to do ... if to buy the cpu from the first batches to come up or just w8 ... ( i'm buying the chip... even if it sucks ... but this new cpu marks a new architecture so i would like to have it :P )

[highoctane]

How does AMD work, first batches are good or, usually, they get better during time?

It's pretty much guaranteed there will be improvement in future steppings, from either manufacturer.

AMD has a history of steady improvements over a period time, the best steppings always come later.

[JohnZS]

I think we should all wait until AMD either release official preview scores on benchmarks we all know and trust, or just wait for the real reviews.
One thing is already certain and that is I think a lot of AMD fans need to manage their expectations and be more realistic. AMD is not a charity and will not price a SKT-2011 killer CPU at ~2600K (or less) prices. That is just not going to happen.
The days of NetBurst (which to be fair, was not bad for Video encoding and a few business applications), are well and truly over.
BD is going to be a very good and highly successful productline for AMD , but it is not the GodsmackEpicWTFBBQEPICWIN of CPU's most are making it out to be.
John

[Manicdan]

and if it was that awesome, most of us couldnt afford it

what we know is that IF its around the perf of a 2600k, then it WOULD be priced around that aswell.

[JohnZS]

and if it was that awesome, most of us couldnt afford it

what we know is that IF its around the perf of a 2600k, then it WOULD be priced around that aswell.

Absolutely

[AKM]

and if it was that awesome, most of us couldnt afford it

Heh

JF-AMD: Want a processor 2X faster than Intel? We could do that. You couldn't afford it.

[Manicdan]

i like his other quote in there

"Want a processor with 5GHz and 16 cores? Probably possible."

hes saying that the 16 core server version can go up to 5ghz if you can cool it (or im just not reading it right and totally delusional, lol)

[Mats]

hes saying that the 16 core server version can go up to 5ghz if you can cool it (or im just not reading it right and totally delusional, lol)

Nope, he's being theoretical there, it doesn't have anything to do with BD.

[keithlm]

One thing is already certain and that is I think a lot of AMD fans need to manage their expectations and be more realistic.

Your post has some value. But the corollary is also true:

Another thing is already certain and that is that a lot of Intel fans need to manage their expectations and be more realistic; and they need to stop posting completely unsupported opinions about how BD will compare to the SB or some newer chip that hasn't been released yet. (Most especially in a post about BD.)

[Aten-Ra]

The thing is, BD will make AMD retake the performance crown for the first time after Intel's reign of 4-5 years until SB-E comes in Q4.
I believe this is why a lot of people are over-exited.

[Postmodum]

It will?! what do you know that we don't hum?

I think all this is pure fanboys vs fanboys stuff ... it's no "expectation management" issues

[Postmodum]

It's pretty much guaranteed there will be improvement in future steppings, from either manufacturer.

AMD has a history of steady improvements over a period time, the best steppings always come later.

Thanks man!

and if it was that awesome, most of us couldnt afford it

what we know is that IF its around the perf of a 2600k, then it WOULD be priced around that aswell.

... i really think that 970, 980x and 990x are over-priced by a BIG margin ( you pay an high price for elitist products :P ) ... so i really believe that AMD will have the budget in mind and still deliver a good product

[Manicdan]

i like to plan ahead and buy mainstream, so for me its going to come down to what can 200$ do with either brand (after a typical OC). so im betting that it will be a battle of 2500k vs either the 4 core black edition BD or 6 core low speed BD for my purchase choice.

[RussC]

If this is true, u should dump every dime u have into AMDs stock. Cause it will double or triple from here by the end of the year if thats correct.

Personally, i dont think theres anyway thats true.

RussC

The thing is, BD will make AMD retake the performance crown for the first time after Intel's reign of 4-5 years until SB-E comes in Q4.
I believe this is why a lot of people are over-exited.

[XRL8]

Someone earlier said, that if AMD manages to build a chip which will be competetive with intel, theyre gonna price it sky high also.
Of course thats true.Remember Athlon FX ?.
BUT, and thats a big but ( ;- ) , because AMD cant afford to maintain multiple sockets with multiple specific chip dies, theyre forced to sell essentially the same silicon at lower price points also.
In the FX days, you could get 200-300$ chip that was essentially the same minus some binning and multi unlock.
On the intel side of thing ATM, things arent so rosy, SB is bclk locked, SBE we dont know yet, and its going to cost 500 and up for 6 core models.
So while yes ,highest end chips will be priced accordingly.The platform will be cheaper, and MOST PROBABLY, you will be able to buy same chip for much much less (look at it the way it was in the bloomfield days but withouth high x58 cost)

[Dimitriman]

I think the a 2600k is well within reach of the 8 core Bulldozer, especially if you consider multitasking and multithreated apps.
If Bulldozer beats the 2600k by just 5pct, it still loses to 980x. And that's decent but no a spectacular achievement.
I expect BD to fall between 980x and 2600k and I don't think that is overhyping for an 8 core 3.4 ghz chip.