Japan quakes

[sin0822]

damn why are people still posting in this thread?

[vitaminc]

damn why are people still posting in this thread?

Because there was just another 6.6 around Chiba?

[BrowncoatGR]

Well Fukoshima just got rated as a level 7 event
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13045341

[vitaminc]

Well Fukoshima just got rated as a level 7 event
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13045341

that. and the fires on reactor #4 after today's quake. its seriously a SNAFU.

and also, countries around Japan are becoming more critical at the way Japan handles the crisis. i mean, wtf, dumping tons of nuclear waste water into the sea.

[saaya]

damn why are people still posting in this thread?

let me fix that for you

damn why is Fukushima still not under control?

maybe this thread should be moved into wamps though...

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_01.html
Tepco received a us$ 22bn loan from banks to cope with the crisis...
all while the brave souls in fukushima reactors are sleeing on matresses on the floor, eat crackers for breakfast, have no lunch and a microwave dinner, and no access to showers... but yeah, please hand those chairmen some more money, they need it bad...

that. and the fires on reactor #4 after today's quake. its seriously a SNAFU.

and also, countries around Japan are becoming more critical at the way Japan handles the crisis. i mean, wtf, dumping tons of nuclear waste water into the sea.

best part is, they didnt even announce it and warn other countries, hey, we are dumping a couple dozen tons of highly contaminated water into the ocean, right over there next to your fishing fleets cruising around.

and excuse me, lightly contaminated water my 4ss...
they kept saying it was lightly contaminated COMPARED to the water they need the storage tanks for...
after they released this LIGHTLY contaminated water they measured isotope contamination over 5 million times above the limit in the ocean close to fukushima... and they never released what isotopes the water actually contained... why? well my guess is cause its something with a half life measured in decades if not centuries and not days...

reactors are still not under control
there is still a chance of a hydrogen explosion at reactor1
reactor4 was on fire again
cooling is still makeshift
equippment tunnels are still flooded with water that is so contaminated they cant even get close to it for more than a few hours
radiation close to some of the reactors, not even inside the buildings, is so high they cant even measure it with their equipment

most experts said that the worst case scenario would be to enclose the entire plant in concrete, and they even announced they had plans to do it... and then nothing happened... cause even that last resort plan wont work... radioactivity would like out through the ground and into the ocean...

but nevermind, all is fine...

[mars]

but nevermind, all is fine...

when a 9.0 earthquake hits a nuclear powerplant, its as fine as it can possibly be as i am sure it could have been much worse. (despite the downplaying of information by Japanese MSM)

I am not sure what is up with the alarmist attitude as it wont/doesn't help anyone. Global nuclear power is now going to be put to a standstill after this and that is not a good thing for anyone. Even with this incident, solar still causes more death on a per watt basis, and coal 4000 times more. (considering this has not even cost 1 death? amirite?)

[Ub3r-L33ch]

when a 9.0 earthquake hits a nuclear powerplant, its as fine as it can possibly be as i am sure it could have been much worse. (despite the downplaying of information by Japanese MSM)

I am not sure what is up with the alarmist attitude as it wont/doesn't help anyone. Global nuclear power is now going to be put to a standstill after this and that is not a good thing for anyone. Even with this incident, solar still causes more death on a per watt basis, and coal 4000 times more. (considering this has not even cost 1 death? amirite?)

No, you're wrong! Nuclear power is the bane of human existence!

Why do I say this? I have no idea, I just do what the media tells me to do...

[Power5]

I am not sure what is up with the alarmist attitude as it wont/doesn't help anyone. Global nuclear power is now going to be put to a standstill after this and that is not a good thing for anyone. Even with this incident, solar still causes more death on a per watt basis, and coal 4000 times more. (considering this has not even cost 1 death? amirite?)

Yeah, no immediate deaths maybe. Wait till the exposure andleakage is too much then see how many there are.

What kind of deaths does Solar cause? Sunburnt to death?

[Olivon]

http://cryptome.org/eyeball/daiichi-...chi-photos.htm

Hi-Res photos and video of Fukushima

[BrowncoatGR]

when a 9.0 earthquake hits a nuclear powerplant, its as fine as it can possibly be as i am sure it could have been much worse. (despite the downplaying of information by Japanese MSM)

I am not sure what is up with the alarmist attitude as it wont/doesn't help anyone. Global nuclear power is now going to be put to a standstill after this and that is not a good thing for anyone. Even with this incident, solar still causes more death on a per watt basis, and coal 4000 times more. (considering this has not even cost 1 death? amirite?)

Care to back those numbers up with sources? This is quite of topic but the biggest lie about nuclear power is that it's clean. The waste produced by nuclear power plants has to be specially managed for extremely long periods of time and if handled improperly can lead to very serious contamination. Hell some of those isotopes have a half life as long as half of recorded human history. As for the death statistics forgive for being skeptical when the same type of people call depleted uranium harmless.

[mars]

Care to back those numbers up with sources? This is quite of topic but the biggest lie about nuclear power is that it's clean. The waste produced by nuclear power plants has to be specially managed for extremely long periods of time and if handled improperly can lead to very serious contamination. Hell some of those isotopes have a half life as long as half of recorded human history. As for the death statistics forgive for being skeptical when the same type of people call depleted uranium harmless.

seriously? surely the death rate information is google friendly?

http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/dea...gy-source.html
first hit on google for your viewing pleasure
(http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Mag...1/article4.pdf)


I never mentioned waste, nor clean. Though I will say that i consider nuclear to be cleaner than clean coal. Ash spills and coal mine fires have resulted in about the same amount of land lost to human development as nuclear does.

regarding waste from nuclear plants? my understanding is that there are a few viable solutions to "dispose" (as an example, apparently scientists reckon that crystallizing and dumping to the bottom of the ocean is serious and viable way, don't look at me I am no scientist) of them, but my understanding is due to environmental groups, nuclear facilities have been forced to keep nuclear waste next to the reactors. I am no specialist but this is my little understanding just from reading energy related articles over the years.

[CaptMorgan]

XS members in japan, let us know you are ok.

Many members from Tokyo and northern japan, team japan, Mia, rdrash...

Prayers to those in harms way.

Is there a way to keep this thread, or please keep it, as it was originally intended?

I do not mind the new's, photos and updates from the informed or from those XS'ers that are in the region but I feel this is straying in other directions.


I only hope for the best for everyone in the area and all further results for cleanup and repair in the region are successful

[vitaminc]

TEPCO confirms damage to part of No. 4 unit's spent nuke fuel
http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/04/85295.html

[saaya]

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_03.html
Fish caught around fukushima contain 25x the legal limit of radioactive isotopes, worst part, not just iodine that lasts days to weeks, but ceasium which lasts hundreds of years

Radiation in sea water is now lower, ONLY. A few THOUSAND. Times above the limit... better than a 7.5 MILLION Times above the limit a week ago, but damn...

Japanese gov predicts the spread of radioactive isotopes in the ocean
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_28.html

Water temperature in the spent fuel pool of reactor4 has reached 90C and continues to rise. That's not good at all... I don't get it... the pool is almost full of water...
I wonder if they will pour in more cold water to cool it, and let the pool spill over, or if they wait until the water starts boiling off and then refill the pool...

Sounds like they can choose between having more isotopes boil into the air or get flushed out into the soil and ocean around the reactor.
Great options :S
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/13_35.html

[PaganII]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag... Cesium in fish was reported here April 4th

Daily updates http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-plant-updates

[Loque]

Michio Kaku was right all the time, even on the threat level... if only they buried the reactors from the beginning like he said there would be no need to evacuate that zone :\

edit: new interview with him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrxKqLeZYD0

[Sparky]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag... Cesium in fish was reported here April 4th

Daily updates http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...-plant-updates

Of course ANY sign of radioactive material found ANYWHERE is going to be blamed on the japanese plant as well...

[PaganII]

Of course ANY sign of radioactive material found ANYWHERE is going to be blamed on the japanese plant as well...

Small fish caught in waters off the coast of Ibaraki on Apr. 4

Ibaraki, south of the power plant

[saaya]

Michio Kaku was right all the time, even on the threat level... if only they buried the reactors from the beginning like he said there would be no need to evacuate that zone :\

edit: new interview with him: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrxKqLeZYD0

Don't think so... I suspect they were preparing to do it but then realized they can't do it since the base of the facility is not in tact. There are several large and long cracks in the concrete base of the facility... so they probably decided its better to have access to te reactors and try to keep them in check... bad short term, but better long term...

Remember, this is next to the ocean almost at sea level... burrying this thing properly in concrete might be impossible, especially with all those aftershocks of up to 7.x

[saaya]

More highly radioactive water at fukushima than expected
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/14_16.html

They thought its 770 tons, originally the water was 20cm deep.
but after pumping out 660 tons the water level in the trenches and pump find started rising again by 3cm already. Great... they still haven't found the source of the highly radioactive water...
If its coming from the flooded reactor chambers itself then how could they ever fix it?

The reactors are emitting too much radioactivity to enter and work on them to fix the leak.
I'm worried their storage pools will soon be full again, this time with highly contaminated water... and they will have a constant flow of more coming out of the reactor... Mhhh not good... hope I'm wrong

[Loque]

Don't think so... I suspect they were preparing to do it but then realized they can't do it since the base of the facility is not in tact. There are several large and long cracks in the concrete base of the facility... so they probably decided its better to have access to te reactors and try to keep them in check... bad short term, but better long term...

Remember, this is next to the ocean almost at sea level... burrying this thing properly in concrete might be impossible, especially with all those aftershocks of up to 7.x

they have no idea wtf they are doing from the start..

an organized team of scientists should take over the wheel and have all the resources they need to stop this before it keep spreading radiation all over that area.

[saaya]

Tepco says it needs more time to remove highly radioactive water and repair the reactors cooling system. They are setting up makeshift watertanks???
Sounds like a good idea in an area frequently hit by strong earthquakes and lies directly at the coast. Are they hoping the watertanks break or leak after another quake so they can blame earthquakes for it?

They took water probes from reactor 1 and 2 and sad radiation and isotope contamination levels have increased notably. So the water cooling the reactors is getting even more contaminated... so next the now highly contaminated water will be pumped into the ocean too cause it becomes lightly contaminated in contrast to what's yet to come?

And why did things get worse suddenly? So maybe the 7.x aftershock DID further damage the reactors and that's why their cooling water is picking up more radiation/isotopes?

[Movieman]

let me fix that for you

maybe this thread should be moved into wamps though...

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/12_01.html
Tepco received a us$ 22bn loan from banks to cope with the crisis...
all while the brave souls in fukushima reactors are sleeing on matresses on the floor, eat crackers for breakfast, have no lunch and a microwave dinner, and no access to showers... but yeah, please hand those chairmen some more money, they need it bad...

best part is, they didnt even announce it and warn other countries, hey, we are dumping a couple dozen tons of highly contaminated water into the ocean, right over there next to your fishing fleets cruising around.

and excuse me, lightly contaminated water my 4ss...
they kept saying it was lightly contaminated COMPARED to the water they need the storage tanks for...
after they released this LIGHTLY contaminated water they measured isotope contamination over 5 million times above the limit in the ocean close to fukushima... and they never released what isotopes the water actually contained... why? well my guess is cause its something with a half life measured in decades if not centuries and not days...

reactors are still not under control
there is still a chance of a hydrogen explosion at reactor1
reactor4 was on fire again
cooling is still makeshift
equippment tunnels are still flooded with water that is so contaminated they cant even get close to it for more than a few hours
radiation close to some of the reactors, not even inside the buildings, is so high they cant even measure it with their equipment

most experts said that the worst case scenario would be to enclose the entire plant in concrete, and they even announced they had plans to do it... and then nothing happened... cause even that last resort plan wont work... radioactivity would like out through the ground and into the ocean...

but nevermind, all is fine...

This maybe the first time in years that you and I agree 100%..
I have friends in Japan that I've been trying my damnest to get them to leave but they won't.People on this forum that I consider good friends even though we haven't met.
Even offerred to put them up here till this mess gets straightened out.
The issue to me is partly cultural and pride.
I don't think the heads of the Nuclear plant upbringing allow them to admit defeat and ask for help.
That is a shame and IMHO someone, maybe many heads of state need to speak with them bluntly as friends and say "It is time to forget pride and admit you need help"

[saaya]

Everybody makes mistakes, I don't want to hear any apologies at all.
All this apologizing for decisions they'd make all over again if they could rewind time, and not showing the least effort in actually getting problems solved makes me sick.

The gov has been making big claims since day1 and they haven't done anything... they let tepco do whatever they want... its ridiculous... and tepco is doing what any company would do, look after their own interests, primarily, money...

Wow, who would have thought?

[saaya]

The gov in Japan reminds me regimes in the middle east BTW
Confused and desperate questions directed at the public of what the heck they are supposed to say and failing to realise that there's nothing they could possibly say to solve the crisis.

People want them to DO. Something and stop talking and promising and apologizing

And the last resort of any government these days seems to be to pay people to stop complaining...
I doubt that the gov pushing tepco to pay the affected citizens off will change anything...