NVIDIA GTX 595 (picture+Details)

[Handrox]

Thanks for posting. I was in the middle of reading it when the review was pulled from the site (hopefully just for a few more minutes until NDA is up)!

for nothing, the same happened to me

Other: http://lab501.ro/placi-video/asus-ge...-of-the-titans

[Lu(ky]

Here another review from TechPowerUp -----> HERE Also read the OVERCLOCKING section of the review.. All I can say is yikes there card was a pop corn popping card then BOOM!!!!

Parts of that blew on there card..

[cegras]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...TX_590/22.html

Not as quiet as NV would like to claim.

[jimbo75]

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/h...-gtx-590-cards

EVGA 590 Classified water cooled with 3.6% overclock. YEAH.

[cole2109]

Here another review from TechPowerUp -----> HERE Also read the OVERCLOCKING section of the review.. All I can say is yikes there card was a pop corn popping card then BOOM!!!!

Parts of that blew on there card..

This is driver problem. 267.52 has no OCP! With 267.71 everything is fine.

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/137...boven-i-dramat

High-performance graphics card Geforce GTX 590 balances on the verge of what is practically possible to handle in terms of power consumption and heat development. Even worse is the situation when overclocking.
In order not to risk the components damaged are blocks built in drivers to say from when limit values are exceeded. SweClockers testers Jonas Eriksson tells what happened when the graphics card you take 12 000 SEK went up in smoke.
The first graphics card gave up the spirit when I user overclockable with the increase of the voltage to the GPU. I was thinking not so much more on it, after all things that can happen and there are always Monday specimens, in particular as regards the early "samples".
Shortly afterwards snappade Andreas up more suffered the same misfortune and we decided to explore it all together with Nvidia.
An additional video card had to be sacrificed in order to come to the conclusion that it is driver 267.52, which is the culprit. The experiment was repeated with newer 267.71 and then worked Nvidias safeguards that they would.The essence of it all is to install the latest software from Nvidias website and at all costs avoid the driver that is included in the box, which is precisely the wrong version 267.52. The who plan to overclock should also make sure that you have good ventilation in the chassis and be aware that your warranty is if frequencies are increased over specifications.

[saaya]

This is driver problem. 267.52 has no OCP! With 267.71 everything is fine.

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/137...boven-i-dramat

yeah but... that still doesnt explain why the card blew...
he increased voltage from 1v to 1.2v and used stock clocks... and that blew the card? then the pwm seems to be pretty whimpy, no?

if it blows almost instantly with 1.2v and stock clocks, how safe is it to overclock the card and run it at 1.1v? how long until it pops?

overall it seems 6990 and 590 are very close to each other performance wise... enough to not care, each will do fine if you need that much horsepower... the advantage of 590 is that it has more overclocking headroom left... but it seems the pwm is kinda whimpy and cant feed the gpus when you actually push them? :/

for day to day users i think the 6990 is a better option... for enthusiasts the 590 is a better option but it looks like it will need better pwm cooling and some mods so it wont hold clocks back.
has anybody played with a 590 on cold yet?
can the pwm handle it?

EDIT: well, other reviews say the 590 is almost at the same noise level as a 580... and they didnt have any problems overclocking it with stock voltages...
in that case the 590 would be the better day to day card...

hmmm curious about more info on why some 590s blew up...

[highoctane]

yeah but... that still doesnt explain why the card blew...
he increased voltage from 1v to 1.2v and used stock clocks... and that blew the card? then the pwm seems to be pretty whimpy, no?

if it blows almost instantly with 1.2v and stock clocks, how safe is it to overclock the card and run it at 1.1v? how long until it pops?

hmmm curious about more info on why some 590s blew up...

Could simply be a bad component on that particular unit, no way to know if there is a overload situation unless there are others seeing the same failure.

[saaya]

Could simply be a bad component on that particular unit, no way to know if there is a overload situation unless there are others seeing the same failure.

check the article, according to w1z, yes, others are having similar issues with cards dieing from minor voltage changes :/

idk... it sucks that no review i read so far put up a sound sample of the cards under load... both cards are noisy, so the 590 being less noisy might be pointless if its still noisy... if the 590 is acceptable and the 6990 is notably louder, then that would indeed make the 590 look more attractive...

i have a feeling the 590 is less noisy but it wont really make a difference in a well ventilated case whether its a 590 or 6990... and these are for gaming rigs with nice sound systems or headphones, so...
then add to that the apparently more robust and beefier pwm of the 6990, a very open and adjustable power throttling menchanism, the easy overclock switch for 6970 clocks and higher voltages... and to me it seems the 6990 is the better option...

for people who dont overclock though, i think this is the closest ive seen nvidia and ati with their highend cards... ever... same price, almost identical performance and power consumption and temperatures overall...

[bamtan2]

raising the voltage 30% and complaining a component broke... is stupid. that is a huge amount, and depending on what hardware you do that to, you will definitely break some of them.

this is the most power-draining pc expansion card ever produced, to the best of my knowledge. it goes so far beyond everything, you should expect the worst when going beyond spec.

plus, didnt the techpowerup guy do 800mhz at 1.0v? trying 1.2v = greed!

[saaya]

raising the voltage 30% and complaining a component broke... is stupid. that is a huge amount, and depending on what hardware you do that to, you will definitely break some of them.

this is the most power-draining pc expansion card ever produced, to the best of my knowledge. it goes so far beyond everything, you should expect the worst when going beyond spec.

plus, didnt the techpowerup guy do 800mhz at 1.0v? trying 1.2v = greed!

why is it 30%?
default is 0.98 and he went for 1.2v, hows that 30%?
more like 20%... and the 6990 CAN handle this, can it not?

and its not about greed, he wanted to test the power throttling, like he said... he wanted to see when the card throttles, by how much, and if you can measure it... it seems that nvidia rushed the launch, as the review driver didnt have power throttling enabled, and doesnt support quadsli either?

somebody said power throttling doesnt work in the review drivers... but according to nvidia they do, and tpu and others clearly saw the cards throttle in 3d burn tests like furmark... so thats not it... the cards blew because of something else...

[Lanek]

This is driver problem. 267.52 has no OCP! With 267.71 everything is fine.

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/137...boven-i-dramat

At default clocks and with NVIDIA's power limiter enabled

According to NVIDIA this should not happen. In their official reviewer driver (which I used), the NVIDIA Power limit is designed to be active for all applications, not only Furmark.

After talking to several other reviewers, this does not seem to be an isolated case, and many of them have killed their cards with similar testing, which is far from being an extreme test

I hope this was only a problem with some early card... time will tell... Now the problem can be related to.... the OCP... let say the card have try control the Powerdraw and some parts have don't like the work to do.

[Vardant]

and its not about greed, he wanted to test the power throttling, like he said... he wanted to see when the card throttles, by how much, and if you can measure it... it seems that nvidia rushed the launch, as the review driver didnt have power throttling enabled, and doesnt support quadsli either?

It's not about greed, you're right. It's about stupidity. If the reviewers guide says, don't push it further than 1.1V and you do...*facepalm*

I would have seriously billed those idiots.

[Lanek]

Asus claim on the box of the card 50% ( well it's not really clear how they write it, i admit ) ... other sell the card with 30% tweaks voltage on the box ...

[Heinz68]

This is driver problem. 267.52 has no OCP! With 267.71 everything is fine.

http://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/137...boven-i-dramat

TechPowerUp review was using the 267.71 driver, so no everything is fine.

Also fromTechPowerUp review

After talking to several other reviewers, this does not seem to be an isolated case, and many of them have killed their cards with similar testing, which is far from being an extreme test.

It's not about greed, you're right. It's about stupidity. If the reviewers guide says, don't push it further than 1.1V and you do...*facepalm*

I would have seriously billed those idiots.

Looks like Nvidia doesn't agree with you. Also from TechPowerUp review.

According to NVIDIA this should not happen. In their official reviewer driver (which I used), the NVIDIA Power limit is designed to be active for all applications, not only Furmark.

EDIT
I don't think Wizard will appreciate you call him idiot, maybe you should do it at his site.

[jimbo75]

Well I count at least 5 sites with 1-2 dead 590's, some of whom didn't even overclock them.

And surely if it is drivers that are bundled with the hardware, we are going to be hearing a lot more about this?

nVidia's drivers have been utter fail for a couple of years now, maybe they are overstretched trying to do too many things.

[Vardant]

Looks like Nvidia doesn't agree with you. Also from TechPowerUp review.


EDIT
I don't think Wizard will appreciate you call him idiot, maybe you should do it at his site.

If you buy the card and go over the limit, is anyone going to RMA your card? I don't think so.
There was supposed to be a failsafe, which obviously didn't work, but that still doesn't justify going over the suggested maximum voltage. It was there for a reason.

They don't make those guides just for fun and if I were an NVIDIA employee, I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone damaging my product, just because he felt like it.

[jimbo75]

They don't make those guides just for fun and if I were an NVIDIA employee, I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone damaging my product, just because he felt like it.

nVidia called up techsites to plead the case of using overclocked 460s vs the 6850 not even 6 months ago. They can't pick and choose when cards get overclocked and when they don't.

[Heinz68]

If you buy the card and go over the limit, is anyone going to RMA your card? I don't think so.
There was supposed to be a failsafe, which obviously didn't work, but that still doesn't justify going over the suggested maximum voltage. It was there for a reason.

They don't make those guides just for fun and if I were an NVIDIA employee, I certainly wouldn't appreciate someone damaging my product, just because he felt like it.

I guees you should go read the review one more time. There was a reason why Wizard was testing it and everybody incluiding Nvidia should be thankfull he did, it could save Nvidia lots of money.

Plus he was not the only one who had the same problem. I still wonder what's your problem, calling him stupid idiot.

EDIT
Beside not everybody who experienced the problem was OC or OV
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=37

[Postmodum]

Yeah ... I mean... Wiz is a noob in the business and all ... so you should call him stupid idiot ... he doesn't know anything about hardware ( irony )

Jeez ...

[highoctane]

nVidia called up techsites to plead the case of using overclocked 460s vs the 6850 not even 6 months ago. They can't pick and choose when cards get overclocked and when they don't.

You're dramatizing the mater, that was related to using factory OC'd cards for review that are sold in retail and warrantied as such, not reviewer OC'd cards.

It's not picking and choosing in the context that you are trying to use it.

[jimbo75]

You're dramatizing the mater, that was related to using factory OC'd cards for review that are sold in retail and warrantied as such, not reviewer OC'd cards.

It's not picking and choosing in the context that you are trying to use it.

Toms hardware overclocked their stock 460 based on what was available on newegg. They didn't just come up with that idea by themselves and haven't done it since.

To make a claim that nVidia should somehow charge TPU for damage is completely ludicrous - especially as it was a "50% overclock voltage tweak" ASUS card that blew up.

[highoctane]

To make a claim that nVidia should somehow charge TPU for damage is completely ludicrous - especially as it was a "50% overclock voltage tweak" ASUS card that blew up.

Hey he modified the card after it failed which caused even more damage to something that didn't belong to him.

Not trying to say he should be responsible for a failed review sample but he definitely caused secondary damage after bypassing the resistor/fuse that had blown for whatever reason.

When it failed it should have been boxed up and given back to Asus or whoever to begin with.

[jimbo75]

Hey he modified the card after it failed which caused even more damage to something that didn't belong to him.

Not trying to say he should be responsible for a failed review sample but he definitely caused secondary damage after bypassing the resistor/fuse that had blown for whatever reason.

When it failed it should have been boxed up and given back to Asus or whoever to begin with.

He had a review to do, which included overclocking. If every tech site refused to overclock nVidia cards it would be a disaster for nVidia. You have to take the rough with the smooth and I don't see this as a suicide run.

Going on what you've seen today, would you overclock a 590 aggressively? No you wouldn't. Can you imagine how pissed you'd be if you did, and killed it with what isn't exactly suicidal volts?

Just like the 6990 has an acoustic weakness that has been overstated to death this past week, the 590 has an overclocking weakness and that has been shown quite clearly. Neither of these cards is perfect and the more information the consumer has, the better.

[cold2010]

We got an e-mail from a reader that a GeForce GTX 590 BYHD (Burn Your House Down) Edition was released by SweClockers, so we did a little searching and found out what they were talking about. It appears that some of the first NVIDIA GeForce GTX 590 video cards to ship come with Forceware 267.52 drivers and they don't prevent the card from overheating when overclocked and overvolting. The folks over at SweClockers cranked up the clock frequency and video taped the carnage. We didn't have this problem with 267.71 drivers we used for testing or the new 267.84 drivers that came out today

http://www.legitreviews.com/news/10352/

We noticed that the card would run short benchmarks like the game test in AvP with minimal issues when overclocked, but longer tests where the card got hotter or drew more power didn't do too hot. You wouldn't think overclocking would increase the power draw that much, but we were seeing an additional 109W at the wall when overclocked with a voltage increase on the core. With our system running at 803MHz we saw 591W flash on the power meter during the same benchmark, so it gets power hungry when you crank up the voltages. This video card has the ability to run at over 800MHz, but it is not possible with the NVIDIA reference cooling solution without losing performance. We tried everything and even got the room temperature down to 65F on an open test bench with fans on everything!

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1576/16/

[jimbo75]

Should be obvious that the stock clocks and volts weren't chosen so the card could be overclocked to hell for free. nVidia lost this even though they strangled the hell out of two gf110's - if they could have won it they would have.

There is no overclocking headroom on these cards. No *safe* headroom at least.