AMD to launch desktop Bulldozer "Zambezi" at E3 Show in L.A. (June 7-9)

[Jamesrt2004]

aslong as it's out by june =).. im gonna replace my whoooole PC I think.. fancy something smaller and less beasty!!

[Oliverda]

Outdated roadmaps, exciting.... this thread will go places...

How do you know that the roadmaps are outdated?

[N19h7m4r3]

How do you know that the roadmaps are outdated?

It's easy! Can't you?

Just look at the pixels, they look "old"

[Dimitriman]

Awww dang Amd! I was hoping to get Bulldozer for a nice price on my trip to China in April but you let me down! June is really late is there any chance I'll find AM3+ boards by April at least?

/sadface

[Oliverda]

Awww dang Amd! I was hoping to get Bulldozer for a nice price on my trip to China in April but you let me down! June is really late is there any chance I'll find AM3+ boards by April at least?

/sadface

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[Halk]

There doesn't seem to be great differences between 8 series and 9 series chipsets. Both MSI and ASRock (and perhaps more) are coming out with 8 series AM3+ boards soon. What's 9 series going to give us that they can't?

[xBanzai89]

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I'm interested in the 990 FX. I can wait, but I wish they would release that instead of redone 890 FX boards. We still do not know if there will be limitations placed on the AM3+ 890 FX boards. On top of that who knows if those boards will support future revisions of Bulldozer.

[generics_user]

I'm interested in the 990 FX. I can wait, but I wish they would release that instead of redone 890 FX boards. We still do not know if there will be limitations placed on the AM3+ 890 FX boards. On top of that who knows if those boards will support future revisions of Bulldozer.

both AM3+ and AM3 use hypertransport 3.0

they could put a 790 series chipset on there without any drawbacks apart from the differences in the southbridge and IOMMU support ; even nforce 780a shouldn't be a problem

[Oliverda]

There doesn't seem to be great differences between 8 series and 9 series chipsets. Both MSI and ASRock (and perhaps more) are coming out with 8 series AM3+ boards soon. What's 9 series going to give us that they can't?

[Halk]

But Oliverda... that doesn't show any difference at all? I know there's a jump from AHCI 1.1 to 1.2... but the number of PCIe lanes stays the same (I think?) the capabilities stays the same... etc etc. I think even the SB/NB interface has the same bandwidth.... I'm afraid I don't know enough about AHCI to know if there would be latency/speed increases on SSDs with the upgrade, but I'd be hopeful of that at least

[Oliverda]

But Oliverda... that doesn't show any difference at all? I know there's a jump from AHCI 1.1 to 1.2... but the number of PCIe lanes stays the same (I think?) the capabilities stays the same... etc etc. I think even the SB/NB interface has the same bandwidth.... I'm afraid I don't know enough about AHCI to know if there would be latency/speed increases on SSDs with the upgrade, but I'd be hopeful of that at least

I know. Just some minor improvements. AFAIK SB850 already supports AHCI 1.2. Maybe SB950 is going to support AHCI 1.3.

[Halk]

You might be right on that, I'm not entirely sure where I picked up that it was going to go from 1.1 to 1.2. A google shows that 1.3 is the current iteration. Sometimes I remember things, but don't know where I found the information from!

No real reason to go 8xx over 9xx then, as far as we know.... On the other hand there's no sense in buying a board now for Bulldozer launch rather than waiting for the 990FX boards to arrive. I think the 8xx AM3+ boards are for people buying AM3 CPUs now, and thinking of an upgrade next year. Disappointed with the information on Bulldozer that's come out in CEBIT. I had hoped to find out more about the platform.

[demonkevy666]

You might be right on that, I'm not entirely sure where I picked up that it was going to go from 1.1 to 1.2. A google shows that 1.3 is the current iteration. Sometimes I remember things, but don't know where I found the information from!

No real reason to go 8xx over 9xx then, as far as we know.... On the other hand there's no sense in buying a board now for Bulldozer launch rather than waiting for the 990FX boards to arrive. I think the 8xx AM3+ boards are for people buying AM3 CPUs now, and thinking of an upgrade next year. Disappointed with the information on Bulldozer that's come out in CEBIT. I had hoped to find out more about the platform.

or they want board that don't have such horrible voltage fluctuations.

[Oliverda]

or they want board that don't have such horrible voltage fluctuations.

Voltage control is independent of the chipset.

[XRL8]

Thats really disappointing, chipset features look the same ,chip size is the same, node on which it is made is the same, power consumption is same/worse.
Looks like a hack job.
So hopes for intel like hdd/ssd controller performance are pretty much gone.

[Halk]

If power consumption is 2worse", I'm not bothered with that.... It would indicate extra provisioning (more stability or bandwidth) or extra features... right? As far as SSD performance, people seem to be coming out with nice enough performance on 8xx boards and new Sandforce drives. Certainly the benches I looked at on Cougar Point were equal to SB850.

[XRL8]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=250257
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=263386
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2952/5

[Halk]

First link is someone who can't get it to work properly
Second link shows similar performance between them
Third link is from over a year ago and doesn't hold up to the figures I've seen.

Vertex 3 performance is the same (slight differences, overall neither was better) on the benchmarks I saw on a Crosshair IV Formula compared to a P8P67.

[generics_user]

amd Raid 0 performance and single driver performance is fine (well it was with my 2 Ultradrive GX 128gb) but Raid 5 is seriously lacking

anandtech makes use of the unoptimized stock windows 7 ahci driver; the difference between intel ahci and amd ahci on their own drivers isn't noticeable and you can only find it in synthetic tests

[XRL8]

Im not saying it is horrible, but various reports show its worse, and need for raidexpert and settings manually NCQ doesnt help either.
In the second link performance is similar ,but worse nonetheless.
Anands results are a year old, but what changed ?sb950 is going to be basically the same as sb850 so i dont know.
If you people have some other good performance comparisons, i would be glad to see them.Overall vibe coming from people is that AMDs southbridge and drivers are kinda sub par to intel, not that theyre bad.Just not as good.(well, excluding recent intel major fail of course)

[Oliverda]

The original presentation has been taken down.

[FlanK3r]

where did you found it?

[Mats]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/dis...Gen_Chips.html

Shipments of AMD FX-series high-end desktop microprocessors will commence on the week of June 20th, 2011

Based on a document seen by X-bit labs, AMD plans to release four eight-core AMD FX8000-series chips,
two six-core AMD FX6000-series microprocessors and two quad-core AMD FX4000-series central processing units (CPUs) this year;
four chips are to be launched in Q2 2011, another four processors will be introduced in Q4 2011.

Also posted in the Llano thread.

[zerazax]

Can't wait to see FX labeled products on the market again!

[onethreehill]

Can't wait to see FX labeled products on the market again!

Boxes
http://www.amdforum.se/artikel/exklu...och-fx-4-1025/